Israel Should Consider Assassinating Obama

[ThunderWulf]

*sigh*  Further proof that fundies of all flags are just giant morons.

[N. De Plume]

Israel is a state of and for the Jews. If it simply offered full citizenship to all the people in the areas it occupies, it would cease to be a Jewish state, which would be problematic. But nor can it stay within it's legitimate borders (the Green line). The water aquifers it relies on are in Palestine. Also, Israel proper is overcrowded. How is your country going to be an international home for the Jews if houses cost triple and there's no running water? Since the occupation costs so little (just a few dozen lives a year- no big deal), why not just invade your neighbour?

You know, I just got sad realizing some people would say this with total sincerity.

[Eniliad]

When you say you hate Israel, do you merely believe that Israel's policies are wrong, or that Israel as we know it should be dismantled? If the latter, do you support some sort of one-state solution? Or should the Israelis all leave?

Because while I can understand the opinion that Israel's founding was illegitimate, I don't accept forcing the current population out as a legitimate option. For one thing, those people were born and raised there (most of them, at least). I personally believe that an individual has the right to live where he was born and raised. For another, how do you propose to implement such a plan? Do you honestly think that Israel would even consider it?

I have to say, I agree with this viewpoint.

I support Israel, but I'm hardly blind to the fact that the circumstances surrounding the nation's founding were questionable, to say the least. I'm also aware that the people of that country are more than capable of closed-mindedness, intolerance, and all the other stuff we hate so much. I just don't see dismantling the country as the solution. There has to be a middle ground, and perhaps if some leaders get elected in the future willing to actually negotiate, for real, we can work something out.

I know, I sound idealistic and naive. But I have to hope for it anyway. I just wish the bloodshed would come to a close without royally screwing over either side for decades to come.

[Lt. Fred]

Because while I can understand the opinion that Israel's founding was illegitimate, I don't accept forcing the current population out as a legitimate option. For one thing, those people were born and raised there (most of them, at least). I personally believe that an individual has the right to live where he was born and raised. For another, how do you propose to implement such a plan? Do you honestly think that Israel would even consider it?

There would be absolutely no harm done at all to the Germans if they were forced out of the Middle East. They're quite wealthy (average wage 30,000 or so), so they'd easily be able to buy a house in some other country. No harm done.

Unless Israel learns to live with it's neighbours, within it's borders, that is what is going to happen.

[Canadian Mojo]

There would be absolutely no harm done at all to the Germans if they were forced out of the Middle East. They're quite wealthy (average wage 30,000 or so), so they'd easily be able to buy a house in some other country. No harm done.

 

By that logic, there really shouldn't be any problem kicking all non-natives out of Australia.

[D Laurier]

The zionist occupation forces in Palestine are as anti jewish as they are anti semitic.
Zionists hide behind judaism, and gleefully hijack the persecution of  jews in europe. But they do not represent judaism... nor should they be alowed to defame judaism by commiting attrocitys while claiming to act for judaism.
If the crimes of the zionists ever do lead to global consequences for judaism, the zionists will deny any connection to judaism.

Palestine earned its freedom in the great war of 1914-1918 as allies of England and France. That freedom was ripped out from under them by their allies when England and France betrayed and stole Palestine in 1919.
Interestingly America was originaly a strong supporter of Palestine, and Woodrow Wilson warned that the betrayal and partition of Palestine would have dire consequences down the road.
The original Kingdom of Palestine was proposed as a secular arab state with a symbolic (and powerless) monarchy presiding over an elected government. This Kingdom was agreed to by the British under the Hussein/MacMahon accord of 1915.

[Lt. Fred]

There would be absolutely no harm done at all to the Germans if they were forced out of the Middle East. They're quite wealthy (average wage 30,000 or so), so they'd easily be able to buy a house in some other country. No harm done.

 

By that logic, there really shouldn't be any problem kicking all non-natives out of Australia.

True. However, Indigenous Australians have full rights as citizens, can live wherever they like, and can claim very limited Native title over some land. White Australia's treatment of our indigenous population remains a travesty, but at least we haven't repeatedly made them homeless in the last 50 years and refused to do anything about it.

Nor do the owners of this land want us to go. That would be a major economic shock to their society.

[m52nickerson]

Unless Israel learns to live with it's neighbours, within it's borders, that is what is going to happen.

Only if the US and others stop being allied with them.  Even without support it would be hard for even a combined force to beat Israel's military.

[lighthorseman]

Well   Obama assasinates people now, and you know what they say about turn about.

You also know what they say about two wrongs not making a right.

true... If they actually did it, that would be wrong. But Americans getting upset about the concept of other people doing something America is already doing is kinda hypocritical.

Only for those that agree with Obama's assassinations.

Thats the problem with heads of state, when they do outrageous things, it sort of assumed they have the support of the citizenry, even if they don't.

[DiscoBerry]

I hear-by declare this thread...Derailed

[largeham]

When you say you hate Israel, do you merely believe that Israel's policies are wrong, or that Israel as we know it should be dismantled? If the latter, do you support some sort of one-state solution? Or should the Israelis all leave?

Because while I can understand the opinion that Israel's founding was illegitimate, I don't accept forcing the current population out as a legitimate option. For one thing, those people were born and raised there (most of them, at least). I personally believe that an individual has the right to live where he was born and raised. For another, how do you propose to implement such a plan? Do you honestly think that Israel would even consider it?

I would say Israel as we know should be dismantled. I don't want to remove Jews from the area, pushing Israelis off the land would be ethnic cleansing, and therefore wrong (obviously). I would prefer a single state (I'm not really fussed if it is called Israel) that is not run on religious lines and does not discriminate on the basis of religion or race.

The problem with a two state solution, even with the 1967 borders, is that both countries are split into three parts.

[Osama bin Bambi]

When you say you hate Israel, do you merely believe that Israel's policies are wrong, or that Israel as we know it should be dismantled? If the latter, do you support some sort of one-state solution? Or should the Israelis all leave?

Because while I can understand the opinion that Israel's founding was illegitimate, I don't accept forcing the current population out as a legitimate option. For one thing, those people were born and raised there (most of them, at least). I personally believe that an individual has the right to live where he was born and raised. For another, how do you propose to implement such a plan? Do you honestly think that Israel would even consider it?

I would say Israel as we know should be dismantled. I don't want to remove Jews from the area, pushing Israelis off the land would be ethnic cleansing, and therefore wrong (obviously). I would prefer a single state (I'm not really fussed if it is called Israel) that is not run on religious lines and does not discriminate on the basis of religion or race.

The problem with a two state solution, even with the 1967 borders, is that both countries are split into three parts.

A hypothetical State of Israel-Palestine (Israelistine?) would also have to modernize in the sense that certain religious groups (coughHaredicough) are no longer given special privileges, which is better done sooner than later because the Haredi are a vocal, influential, and quickly-growing minority.

[Canadian Mojo]

There would be absolutely no harm done at all to the Germans if they were forced out of the Middle East. They're quite wealthy (average wage 30,000 or so), so they'd easily be able to buy a house in some other country. No harm done.

 

By that logic, there really shouldn't be any problem kicking all non-natives out of Australia.

True. However, Indigenous Australians have full rights as citizens, can live wherever they like, and can claim very limited Native title over some land. White Australia's treatment of our indigenous population remains a travesty, but at least we haven't repeatedly made them homeless in the last 50 years and refused to do anything about it.

Nor do the owners of this land want us to go. That would be a major economic shock to their society.

So you get to stay because they need you. If that's all it takes then just give Israel another 100 years to catch up and create some legitimacy.

[niam2023]

...Wasn't NDAA made for things like this?

While the act itself is pure evil, in this case when someones talking about assassinating the President, then...

These kinds of things happening in Israel is a sad reminder that a large number of people honestly consider being a Knight Templar perfectly acceptable.

[Lt. Fred]

There would be absolutely no harm done at all to the Germans if they were forced out of the Middle East. They're quite wealthy (average wage 30,000 or so), so they'd easily be able to buy a house in some other country. No harm done.

 

By that logic, there really shouldn't be any problem kicking all non-natives out of Australia.

True. However, Indigenous Australians have full rights as citizens, can live wherever they like, and can claim very limited Native title over some land. White Australia's treatment of our indigenous population remains a travesty, but at least we haven't repeatedly made them homeless in the last 50 years and refused to do anything about it.

Nor do the owners of this land want us to go. That would be a major economic shock to their society.

So you get to stay because they need you. If that's all it takes then just give Israel another 100 years to catch up and create some legitimacy.

They don't need shit. We're not hurting them, so they have no problem with us sticking around. If there were an organised Indigenous group with majority support calling for white Australia to piss off (like, say, Hamas) I'd have no choice but to join them, because that's clearly their right. They haven't exercised that right, because we live peacefully alongside.

It's almost like there's some kind of lesson here for the relics of colonialism.