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Spending money on war vs healthcare
« on: July 10, 2013, 07:51:24 am »



Then again, this is coming from a man who is on the Homeland securitys terrorist watchlist* so you should probably take it with a grain of salt...

Which brings me to my other news story: Mark Ruffalo is on a terrorist watchlist. He is on the same list as dangerous suicide bombers, terrorist leaders, preachers who spread hatred and incite young muslims to wage war of terror on civilians and the 6 year old kids who share a name with any of those mentioned before.


*Not making this up: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/nov/29/mark-ruffalo-terrorism-watchlist-gasland
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 08:43:34 am »
No nuclear state needs to spend a dime on conventional defence. It's just not needed. The modern defence force isn't for defence.
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2013, 10:56:49 am »
No nuclear state needs to spend a dime on conventional defence. It's just not needed. The modern defence force isn't for defence.

So you would exploit MAD? When are you willing to use nukes? If you have no military force then your opponent can push you up to that point and you have no other way to retaliate. Even after that you cannot win, just ensure that everyone loses.

And how many nukes would you have? If the enemy can neutralize your nukes you are powerless (Which means that you will need forces to guard them, or submarines that are constantly moving, which is also expensive.) On the other hand, the more you have the bigger are the chances of them falling in to wrong hands. And who will have the authority to launch them? What if that person is not willing to start WW3? What if that person has been neutralized? And again, spreading the lauch codes to several people is just another security risk.

And finally, what if your opponent doesn't have a homeland that you can threaten with nukes? What about rebellion? Show them who's the boss by nuking yourself? Terrorist? Nuking your home is just helping them.
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2013, 01:18:34 pm »
Then again, this is coming from a man who is on the Homeland securitys terrorist watchlist* so you should probably take it with a grain of salt...

Which brings me to my other news story: Mark Ruffalo is on a terrorist watchlist. He is on the same list as dangerous suicide bombers, terrorist leaders, preachers who spread hatred and incite young muslims to wage war of terror on civilians and the 6 year old kids who share a name with any of those mentioned before.


*Not making this up: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/nov/29/mark-ruffalo-terrorism-watchlist-gasland

Is this because he funded promotion to the documentary Gasland?

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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2013, 02:02:15 pm »
Is this because he funded promotion to the documentary Gasland?
Yes. It says so in the article and in fact the link in my post has the word gasland in it as does the title of said article.
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2013, 02:34:08 pm »
What are we supposed to do if there are no wars?  Just sit around and be nice to one another?
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2013, 03:51:32 pm »
What are we supposed to do if there are no wars?  Just sit around and be nice to one another?
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2013, 05:29:01 pm »
No nuclear state needs to spend a dime on conventional defence. It's just not needed. The modern defence force isn't for defence.

So you would exploit MAD? When are you willing to use nukes? If you have no military force then your opponent can push you up to that point and you have no other way to retaliate.

But they won't, because they realise you can destroy them in a second. No nuclear state has ever fought a major defensive war.

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And finally, what if your opponent doesn't have a homeland that you can threaten with nukes? What about rebellion? Show them who's the boss by nuking yourself? Terrorist? Nuking your home is just helping them.

Terrorism is a fairly minor concern, but to the degree we should care at all it's clearly a law enforcement task.
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2013, 12:43:27 am »
Did you get this from tumblr?? Because I remember reblogging this on there, I believe I got it from Wil Wheaton. Now I have to go before I make a Hulk joke, and start quoting The Avengers again...
Anyhow we can't spend money on healthcare, remember that's socialist, and we have to blow money on warfare, or else alien gods will take over the earth, damn it. :P

 
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2013, 01:03:20 am »
Did you get this from tumblr?? Because I remember reblogging this on there, I believe I got it from Wil Wheaton. Now I have to go before I make a Hulk joke, and start quoting The Avengers again...
Anyhow we can't spend money on healthcare, remember that's socialist, and we have to blow money on warfare, or else alien gods will take over the earth, damn it. :P

 
Yup. Got it from Wheaton. I guess I should have credited the source.


No nuclear state needs to spend a dime on conventional defence. It's just not needed. The modern defence force isn't for defence.

So you would exploit MAD? When are you willing to use nukes? If you have no military force then your opponent can push you up to that point and you have no other way to retaliate.

But they won't, because they realise you can destroy them in a second. No nuclear state has ever fought a major defensive war.

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And finally, what if your opponent doesn't have a homeland that you can threaten with nukes? What about rebellion? Show them who's the boss by nuking yourself? Terrorist? Nuking your home is just helping them.

Terrorism is a fairly minor concern, but to the degree we should care at all it's clearly a law enforcement task.

I see that you didn't say anything about rebellions or revolutions. When you get to the point that the police forces are having trouble with the rebellion your "don't need army just nuke 'em" plan is worthless. Unless you are willing to destroy yourself for no gain.

And without any military your options still are "Do nothing" or "Destroy everything." What if your allies ask for your help in some military operation? Start a nuclear war? Trade sanctions? Piracy? Large disaster? How will nukes help you evacuate people from the path of a hurricane or help cleaning up a disaster area?

Militaries do more than just bomb countries back to stone age.
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2013, 02:21:14 am »
What are we supposed to do if there are no wars?  Just sit around and be nice to one another?
Masturbate?

It's just crazy enough to work.  Draw up some blueprints so we can get this thing started.
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2013, 03:08:26 am »
If you want a bigger police force or a semi-military force for domestic security*, make one. The National Guard are a fair model. If you want a force for peacekeeping, and I do, we should make one. If we want a disaster response organisation with lots of employees, we should create one. The Army is either no good or not very efficient at any of those things.

* And I certainly don't.
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2013, 03:14:33 am »
What are we supposed to do if there are no wars?  Just sit around and be nice to one another?
Masturbate?

It's just crazy enough to work.  Draw up some blueprints so we can get this thing started.
YES! We should all totally start masturbating. Unite the world in peace! Masturbate together!

Wait...

Wait...

What if...

Guys...

What if there is a way...

Hear me out, I just had this crazy idea...

What if instead of just pleasuring ourselves we could... What's the word, let me check... Copulate?
No matter what happens, no matter what my last words may end up being, I want everyone to claim that they were:
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2013, 03:26:42 am »
What are we supposed to do if there are no wars?  Just sit around and be nice to one another?
Masturbate?

It's just crazy enough to work.  Draw up some blueprints so we can get this thing started.
YES! We should all totally start masturbating. Unite the world in peace! Masturbate together!

Wait...

Wait...

What if...

Guys...

What if there is a way...

Hear me out, I just had this crazy idea...

What if instead of just pleasuring ourselves we could... What's the word, let me check... Copulate?
So what you're saying is "Make love, not war"


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Re: Spending money on war vs healthcare
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2013, 03:40:16 am »
What are we supposed to do if there are no wars?  Just sit around and be nice to one another?
Masturbate?

It's just crazy enough to work.  Draw up some blueprints so we can get this thing started.
YES! We should all totally start masturbating. Unite the world in peace! Masturbate together!

Wait...

Wait...

What if...

Guys...

What if there is a way...

Hear me out, I just had this crazy idea...

What if instead of just pleasuring ourselves we could... What's the word, let me check... Copulate?
So what you're saying is "Make love, not war"

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