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Offline Souriquois

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Anti-vaxxers
« on: May 16, 2016, 11:23:58 am »
Are these some of the dumbest people on the planet or what?

The study linking vaccines to autism has been debunked so many times. And even if it was true, is having an autistic kid somehow worse than your kid dying of a preventable disease?

The Canadian province of Ontario is making it law that people who don't vaccinate their kids have to take a science class. Some anti-vaxxer on the news today was up in arms about it:

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An Ottawa woman and former "anti-vaxxer" whose seven children contracted whooping cough says the province's plan to make parents attend an educational session before choosing to exempt their kids from vaccination may backfire with some people.

Tara Hills says dialogue, not lecturing, will be the key to success.

"They're already distrustful and now there's a health official who's talking to them about an opposing view. That might kind of backfire a little bit and only back them further into a corner, especially if the session itself is done in a very lecture fashion rather than a dialogue fashion where they feel safe to talk," Hills told CBC Radio's Ottawa Morning on Monday.

"When someone is talking to you about a very sensitive, personal topic, and their approach is hostile, human nature [compels us to] sort of close down, back off and not want to engage. If the person, however, is warm and engaging, you feel safe. You might feel comfortable vocalizing your concerns and listening to what they have to say.

"It's sort of all in the approach."

Hills made headlines in 2015 after she wrote a parenting blog post called "Learning the Hard Way: My Journey from #AntiVaxx to Science." Her seven children contracted whooping cough not long after she had changed her mind.

Last week, the Ontario Liberal government introduced legislation to strengthen vaccine rules. If passed, parents would be required to attend an educational session to get permission to exempt their children from vaccines for non-medical reasons.

The legislation would also require health-care providers to report to the public health unit what vaccines are given to children in an attempt to reduce school suspensions over out-of-date immunization records.

'Dark shadow' cast over vaccinations

Hills says the educational sessions should be handled with care.

"It's simply to approach it with as respectful a tone as possible, because unfortunately a lot of comment feeds and social media have cast a really dark shadow over this topic by vicious commentary and very rude personal remarks. And that's really tainted a lot of people's opinions of engaging with a pro-vaccine person," she said.

Three years ago, Hills said she would have entered the session "very guarded" with her arms crossed. But one year ago, she would have been more open to considering and scrutinizing both sides.

"It depends where they're starting from," she said.

It's also important for the province to engage with people where they are — on social media, watching television and sitting in movie theatres — with targeted ads.

And seven kids? Really?

Why do people like this have the most kids?

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I like Rex Murphy on this... if you are taking advice from Jenny McCarthy, you have the intelligence of a dead tree stump.

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Re: Anti-vaxxers
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2016, 08:11:32 am »
Great post, Souriquois. Here in Murrica, aka Opposite Land, some states require women to attend anti-science classes before they can proceed with an abortion. I have this utterly wild and impossible fantasy about going well beyond Ontario to the ultimate, logical conclusion for antivax parents. Offer them these choices:

1) Educate + Inoculate
 or
2) Spay + Neuter



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Re: Anti-vaxxers
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2016, 12:22:44 pm »
Great post, Souriquois. Here in Murrica, aka Opposite Land, some states require women to attend anti-science classes before they can proceed with an abortion. I have this utterly wild and impossible fantasy about going well beyond Ontario to the ultimate, logical conclusion for antivax parents. Offer them these choices:

1) Educate + Inoculate
 or
2) Spay + Neuter

I'd like it if anti-vaxxing was like opting out of the health care system that my tax dollars pay for. You don't vaccinate, you're on your own, bud!

I think they did that in Australia.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2016, 11:03:24 pm »
If you're looking for an honest answer, I believe a large part of it is the diseases we vaccinate for are no longer in our collective memory. A quick Google images search of kids in an iron lung, things of that nature. I don't think I know anyone who knew anyone with polio. Or whooping cough. Or typhoid, Spanish flu, yellow fever, measles, take your pick. So we as a people forget the horrors of loving through those goggle pics. We as people tend to forget it goes a bit beyond the sniffles and a fever. That we're talking about diseases that'll kill you as effectively as a bullet from a gun. Only much more painfully.

Just to throw it out there, it's not just the nut jobs who have large families. Some are just regular people who just really don't like lame sex.

ETA: then there's Google U. Your can spend a few minutes on anti vaxxer sites and scare the shit out of yourself. Much like Fox News, a steady diet of shady quasi correlation presented by some celebrity without a clear understanding of what it is the research actually says and how to correctly interpret it can lead to, well to be brutally honest, lead to children and adults dying of easily preventable diseases.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2016, 05:59:25 pm »
What irks me is the fact that a lot of anti vaxxers are educated, and liberal minded like these dumbasses in Brunswick, Melbourne who strong armed the principle into having a policy of "tolerance" for anti vaxxers caused a chicken pox outbreak.

I note that its a lot of the Green-voting, professional people who moved from the leafy Eastern suburbs to that old formerly working class inner city Northern suburb of my home town who grok this sort of organic veggies good/yukky scientific medicine big pharma bad bullshit. Gentrification literally bringing a pox on their ultra-renovated old tin-roofed red brick terraces. The mind boggles.

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Re: Anti-vaxxers
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2016, 06:08:54 pm »
What irks me is the fact that a lot of anti vaxxers are educated, and liberal minded like these dumbasses in Brunswick, Melbourne who strong armed the principle into having a policy of "tolerance" for anti vaxxers caused a chicken pox outbreak.

I note that its a lot of the Green-voting, professional people who moved from the leafy Eastern suburbs to that old formerly working class inner city Northern suburb of my home town who grok this sort of organic veggies good/yukky scientific medicine big pharma bad bullshit. Gentrification literally bringing a pox on their ultra-renovated old tin-roofed red brick terraces. The mind boggles.

Just goes to show that educated doesn't necessarily equal intelligent.

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Re: Anti-vaxxers
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2016, 07:10:22 pm »
Just goes to show that educated doesn't necessarily equal intelligent.
That's true but even intelligent people can have their blind spots of idiocy.