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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2017, 10:06:00 pm »
Nope.

Now, what was your point about what the original article was supposed to prove again?

I think you misunderstood me. I said that the original article blamed the riots on outside agitators, but now one of the people who formed the Black Bloc says he and comrades were students.

BTW, do you realize you just contradicted yourself?

Nope.

Now, what was your point about what the original article was supposed to prove again?

You intolerant ass, fascists are people too. We must respect their fee-fees.

ETA: Stop triggering the snowflake fascists who just want to turn America into their safe space by killing everyone not like them.

Did you know one of the rioters attacked a Syrian Muslim because they thought he "looked like a Nazi"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/opinion/how-violence-undermined-the-berkeley-protest.html?_r=0
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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2017, 10:27:53 pm »
I'm getting a really strong sense of deja vu here.

Yes, some innocents were harmed and that's bad. No, I don't think that rioting or Nazi punching should be legal and yes I think that declaring someone to be a Nazi based on their clothing or hair alone is dumb as rocks.

Am I going to get all outragey because some of the anti Nazis are turning violent, no because the end result of Nazis getting power is this. That is objectively worse than Antifa no matter how you slice it.

Also you contradicted yourself when you stated that the original article argued that the riot wasn't caused by outside agitators when in fact they were arguing the precise opposite. Reading links. Helps.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2017, 10:31:52 pm by Tolpuddle Martyr »

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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2017, 10:38:48 pm »
I'm getting a really strong sense of deja vu here.

Yes, some innocents were harmed and that's bad. No, I don't think that rioting or Nazi punching should be legal and yes I think that declaring someone to be a Nazi based on their clothing or hair alone is dumb as rocks.

Am I going to get all outragey because some of the anti Nazis are turning violent, no because the end result of Nazis getting power is this. That is objectively worse than Antifa no matter how you slice it.

Also you contradicted yourself when you stated that the original article argued that the riot wasn't caused by outside agitators when in fact they were arguing the precise opposite. Reading links. Helps.

When did I say that? I said the initial reporting was wrong when it said the rioters were outsiders (which it did).
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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2017, 10:47:15 pm »
The CNN report was reporting what others said, not making a positive claim that it was true. If you were claiming that the university officials were incorrect then you might have a point. You are claiming CNN's reporting was incorrect.

Report =/= Op Ed. Quoting =/= believing in the quote in question. "Someone said X" =/= "I think X is true".

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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2017, 10:50:49 pm »
I'm getting a really strong sense of deja vu here.

Yes, some innocents were harmed and that's bad. No, I don't think that rioting or Nazi punching should be legal and yes I think that declaring someone to be a Nazi based on their clothing or hair alone is dumb as rocks.

Am I going to get all outragey because some of the anti Nazis are turning violent, no because the end result of Nazis getting power is this. That is objectively worse than Antifa no matter how you slice it.

Also you contradicted yourself when you stated that the original article argued that the riot wasn't caused by outside agitators when in fact they were arguing the precise opposite. Reading links. Helps.

When did I say that? I said the initial reporting was wrong when it said the rioters were outsiders (which it did).

Outsiders? or  "150 masked agitators"  - who had "come to campus to disturb an otherwise peaceful protest."

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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2017, 10:59:43 pm »
The CNN report was reporting what others said, not making a positive claim that it was true. If you were claiming that the university officials were incorrect then you might have a point. You are claiming CNN's reporting was incorrect.

Report =/= Op Ed. Quoting =/= believing in the quote in question. "Someone said X" =/= "I think X is true".

You're right, I was wrong to say that. Thanks for pointing that out.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2017, 11:04:56 pm by Lana Reverse »
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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2017, 11:10:46 pm »
Nope.

Now, what was your point about what the original article was supposed to prove again?

I think you misunderstood me. I said that the original article blamed the riots on outside agitators, but now one of the people who formed the Black Bloc says he and comrades were students.

BTW, do you realize you just contradicted yourself?

Nope.

Now, what was your point about what the original article was supposed to prove again?

You intolerant ass, fascists are people too. We must respect their fee-fees.

ETA: Stop triggering the snowflake fascists who just want to turn America into their safe space by killing everyone not like them.

Did you know one of the rioters attacked a Syrian Muslim because they thought he "looked like a Nazi"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/opinion/how-violence-undermined-the-berkeley-protest.html?_r=0

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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2017, 05:03:59 pm »
Nope.

Now, what was your point about what the original article was supposed to prove again?

I think you misunderstood me. I said that the original article blamed the riots on outside agitators, but now one of the people who formed the Black Bloc says he and comrades were students.

BTW, do you realize you just contradicted yourself?

Nope.

Now, what was your point about what the original article was supposed to prove again?

You intolerant ass, fascists are people too. We must respect their fee-fees.

ETA: Stop triggering the snowflake fascists who just want to turn America into their safe space by killing everyone not like them.

Did you know one of the rioters attacked a Syrian Muslim because they thought he "looked like a Nazi"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/opinion/how-violence-undermined-the-berkeley-protest.html?_r=0

Humor, is it entirely lost on you Dynamic "Reverse Anal" Paragon?

I got the joke, I just didn't think it reflected reality.

And I care about this because I'm scared. Not of the anarchists themselves, I doubt I'd be one of their victims, but of the impact they might have. I'm afraid they might delegitimize the anti-Trump movement, like they did to Occupy. Afraid that they might normalize political violence. Afraid that they might give Trump an excuse to abuse his executive powers.

But I'm not asking you to care. I couldn't care less about some of the things you talk about, such as the you-know-what controversy. If you don't want to talk about this, I won't try to make you. If you do, however, then I'd like to talk to you.
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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2017, 01:43:49 am »
Frankly, Trump himself mitigates any effect a few black blockers might have. When he declared war on the media he pulled large sections of them over to the anti Trump movement.

And it's those guys that usually start having kittens when a minority of protesters on the left get punchy.

EDIT: As to the left getting punchy, I approve of this statement.

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"I don’t have a problem with escalating tactics to some sort of militant resistance if it is appropriate morally, strategically and tactically,” Jensen continued. “This is true if one is going to pick up a sign, a rock or a gun. But you need to have thought it through."

So yeah, I don't think that nonviolence is an end in itself. I can't make myself feel bad that a Nazi was punched. That said, a lot of the black blockers are just politicized casuals who are there for a punch-up.
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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2017, 06:55:34 pm »
Nope.

Now, what was your point about what the original article was supposed to prove again?

I think you misunderstood me. I said that the original article blamed the riots on outside agitators, but now one of the people who formed the Black Bloc says he and comrades were students.

BTW, do you realize you just contradicted yourself?

Nope.

Now, what was your point about what the original article was supposed to prove again?

You intolerant ass, fascists are people too. We must respect their fee-fees.

ETA: Stop triggering the snowflake fascists who just want to turn America into their safe space by killing everyone not like them.

Did you know one of the rioters attacked a Syrian Muslim because they thought he "looked like a Nazi"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/opinion/how-violence-undermined-the-berkeley-protest.html?_r=0

Humor, is it entirely lost on you Dynamic "Reverse Anal" Paragon?

I got the joke, I just didn't think it reflected reality.

And I care about this because I'm scared. Not of the anarchists themselves, I doubt I'd be one of their victims, but of the impact they might have. I'm afraid they might delegitimize the anti-Trump movement, like they did to Occupy. Afraid that they might normalize political violence. Afraid that they might give Trump an excuse to abuse his executive powers.

But I'm not asking you to care. I couldn't care less about some of the things you talk about, such as the you-know-what controversy. If you don't want to talk about this, I won't try to make you. If you do, however, then I'd like to talk to you.

Your link goes to an article about how the 'black block anarchists' were actually opposed to the Occupy movement. So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?

Are you worried about misogynists delegitimatizing the feminist movement?

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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2017, 09:53:01 pm »
Your link goes to an article about how the 'black block anarchists' were actually opposed to the Occupy movement. So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?

Are you worried about misogynists delegitimatizing the feminist movement?

Who said they were one and the same?
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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2017, 10:21:36 pm »
Your link goes to an article about how the 'black block anarchists' were actually opposed to the Occupy movement. So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?

Are you worried about misogynists delegitimatizing the feminist movement?

Who said they were one and the same?
Doesn't the phrase "actually opposed" indicate that he wasn't calling them one and the same?

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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2017, 10:46:46 pm »
Your link goes to an article about how the 'black block anarchists' were actually opposed to the Occupy movement. So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?

Are you worried about misogynists delegitimatizing the feminist movement?

Who said they were one and the same?
Doesn't the phrase "actually opposed" indicate that he wasn't calling them one and the same?

I wasn't saying he was, I was asking if anybody did.
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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2017, 11:14:24 pm »
Your link goes to an article about how the 'black block anarchists' were actually opposed to the Occupy movement. So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?

Are you worried about misogynists delegitimatizing the feminist movement?

Who said they were one and the same?

You did. Hence the direct question.

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Re: Violence at Berkeley
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2017, 12:21:20 am »
Your link goes to an article about how the 'black block anarchists' were actually opposed to the Occupy movement. So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?

Are you worried about misogynists delegitimatizing the feminist movement?

Who said they were one and the same?

You did. Hence the direct question.

No, I didn't. I said their actions discredited Occupy. That doesn't require the two "groups" (I use that term loosely, because Black Bloc actually refers to a tactic, not a group) to be synonymous.
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