Is Anyone Here A Determinist In Favor of Legal Abortion?

[TheReasonator]

And what do you call yourselves on the abortion issue? Since you believe "choice" doesn't really exist, what is the term?

Also, do you do much about the issue of abortion or any issue I suppose other than talk about it? It would seem like if everything is predestined then there's no point in being an activist or even in voting for that matter, everything will turn out exactly the way that it does no matter what, so why bother lifting a finger, unless it's to be able to look back and point at yourself and say "see what I was a part of."

[myusername]

If everything is determined, why worry about determinism?

[Osama bin Bambi]

[Old Viking]

Oh, goody, a game of Sophistry.

[ironbite]

*go gets the brick layer out again*

[Dakota Bob]

Wait, who says we don't believe in choice?

[Captain Jack Harkness]

And what do you call yourselves on the abortion issue? Since you believe "choice" doesn't really exist, what is the term?

Also, do you do much about the issue of abortion or any issue I suppose other than talk about it? It would seem like if everything is predestined then there's no point in being an activist or even in voting for that matter, everything will turn out exactly the way that it does no matter what, so why bother lifting a finger, unless it's to be able to look back and point at yourself and say "see what I was a part of."

If determinism is real, isn't a belief in determinism itself deterministic?  As in, you have no choice whether you believe in determinism if it's real?  So even if you are behaving in a deterministic manner without realizing it, you're not acting in a manner that sees everything as such?

[Sylvana]

Determinism is a belief that choice is an illusion because we will all inevitably act in a way determined by our past / the universes past. That does not however preclude the need to support abortion rights. The determinism belief is that someone supports abortion rights because of all factors that led to that belief being within them and established from their past experiences. Hence both the pro-life and pro-choice people are still living deterministic lives their actions and campaigns are the determined actions, not the eventual result as you seem to think.

Believing that everything will work out without any outside influence is not determinism it is nihilism.

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

I'm out.

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Is anyone here a third wave feminist Jainist Randian objectivist in favour of public transit? 'cause I have a serious bone to pick with you guys.

[MaybeNever]

Is anyone here a third wave feminist Jainist Randian objectivist in favour of public transit? 'cause I have a serious bone to pick with you guys.

Yeah! How can you reconcile your belief in non-violent ultra-free-market women's equality with a system paid for and created by a male-dominated system of taxation and counter-environmental violence?

[davedan]

Is anyone here a third wave feminist Jainist Randian objectivist in favour of public transit? 'cause I have a serious bone to pick with you guys.

Yeah! How can you rectify your belief in non-violent ultra-free-market women's equality with a system paid for and created by a male-dominated system of taxation and counter-environmental violence?

I want you both to adopt me as your love gimp.

[Yla]

Oh, goody, a game of Sophistry.

It would seem like if everything is predestined then there's no point in being an activist or even in voting for that matter, everything will turn out exactly the way that it does no matter what, so why bother lifting a finger, unless it's to be able to look back and point at yourself and say "see what I was a part of."

Put two minutes of thought into it. When you have grasped the obvious, we can maybe talk about details.

Oh what the hell..
First, with radical determinism you don't have a choice whether to be an activist or not, so no questioning the motivation.
Second, the 'way things turn out' is not determined (cf. determinism) by fate, but by the actions of the members of society (using societal activism as an example). So as a member of society, your actions very much determine which way history will go.

[TheReasonator]

Oh, goody, a game of Sophistry.

It would seem like if everything is predestined then there's no point in being an activist or even in voting for that matter, everything will turn out exactly the way that it does no matter what, so why bother lifting a finger, unless it's to be able to look back and point at yourself and say "see what I was a part of."

Put two minutes of thought into it. When you have grasped the obvious, we can maybe talk about details.

Oh what the hell..
First, with radical determinism you don't have a choice whether to be an activist or not, so no questioning the motivation.
Second, the 'way things turn out' is not determined (cf. determinism) by fate, but by the actions of the members of society (using societal activism as an example). So as a member of society, your actions very much determine which way history will go.

But why did you take the action you took? Did you just do it for no reason at all? No. Then there are factors which determined your social activism and hence through that everything that came from it.

[Cerim Treascair]

*sighs and gets the booze* Bar's open!