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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on November 15, 2018, 11:15:26 pm »
I have to say, I believe the exact opposite is the problem. The fact that voters will ultimately accept what's given to them is why the vast majority of Dems are Republican lite. By holding your guys to an actual standard that's a little higher than merely having a D next to their name, and making it clear to them that taking that sweet, sweet lobbyist money and being a Republican in practice is political suicide is how you actually get proper left wing (or in your guy's case, centrist) candidates in office. Yes, picking your battles is important, but there is such a thing as going too far in the opposite direction, and accepting the same as the other side, but with less racist and/or Bible thumping rhetoric is most definitely that.

That's why not necessarily Republicans, but Elitists in general of all party affiliations, have such a stranglehold on the US and most of the rest of the democratic world.

And this is why I think primaries are one of the best parts of the US system: you can potentially force the parties to accept who you want, not who they want.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Art Vandelay on November 15, 2018, 10:21:57 pm »
I have to say, I believe the exact opposite is the problem. The fact that voters will ultimately accept what's given to them is why the vast majority of Dems are Republican lite. By holding your guys to an actual standard that's a little higher than merely having a D next to their name, and making it clear to them that taking that sweet, sweet lobbyist money and being a Republican in practice is political suicide is how you actually get proper left wing (or in your guy's case, centrist) candidates in office. Yes, picking your battles is important, but there is such a thing as going too far in the opposite direction, and accepting the same as the other side, but with less racist and/or Bible thumping rhetoric is most definitely that.

That's why not necessarily Republicans, but Elitists in general of all party affiliations, have such a stranglehold on the US and most of the rest of the democratic world.
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Entertainment and Television / Re: Video Game Thread 2.0
« Last post by Art Vandelay on November 15, 2018, 10:01:42 pm »
Ouch. You're really missing out, my friend.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by ironbite on November 15, 2018, 09:59:25 pm »
Now that niam's brought this up, I'm gonna say it.  Purity politics is why the GOP has such a stranglehold on our political systems right now.  Because we on the left have said that nothing short of perfection will do, we've let the right just run anyone and anything they want and win.  Because we're so obsessed with purity.  As long as my guy isn't a slaving slobbering moron, I will happily vote for him because I know for a fact, anyone the Right runs is gonna be 1000000000 times worse.
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Entertainment and Television / Re: Video Game Thread 2.0
« Last post by chad sexington on November 15, 2018, 09:58:59 pm »
My gaming PC has been internetless for the last couple of years, so I haven't been able to update since the India expansion came out :'(
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by niam2023 on November 15, 2018, 09:52:08 pm »
And you don't see Governor Cuomo rolling over for President Trump.

Me personally, I see the appeal of progressive measures, heck I agree with most of them, I just can't stand the insistence on absolutistic morality, purity and such.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by ironbite on November 15, 2018, 09:29:16 pm »
Yeah it does and therefore he shouldn't do it.  But I'll take his ass over whatever is in the GOP right now.

Ironbite-lesser evil is still the lesser of two evils after all.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on November 15, 2018, 09:22:13 pm »
Yes, there is a lot of stuff we corporate darklords are bad with, but to say we're functionally no different from the party that's okay with White Nationalists, who has had a "political pedophile" run under their ticket, has had multiple outright Nazis run for office under their ticket, and who has stolen elections, disenfranchised millions, and would openly pine for a Gilead-like dystopia...

...that comes off as incredibly, incredibly intellectually dishonest.

Giving Amazon a Helipad for their executives =/= "I'm Okay With Nazis".

Correct.

But shit like what Gov. Cuomo is promising turns off the Democratic base.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by niam2023 on November 15, 2018, 09:17:15 pm »
Yes, there is a lot of stuff we corporate darklords are bad with, but to say we're functionally no different from the party that's okay with White Nationalists, who has had a "political pedophile" run under their ticket, has had multiple outright Nazis run for office under their ticket, and who has stolen elections, disenfranchised millions, and would openly pine for a Gilead-like dystopia...

...that comes off as incredibly, incredibly intellectually dishonest.

Giving Amazon a Helipad for their executives =/= "I'm Okay With Nazis".
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Creative Outlets / Re: Chapter 11: Hail to the King / Hail to the Word
« Last post by niam2023 on November 15, 2018, 08:53:47 pm »
Chapter 11 Part 2

"...Not if I have anything to say about that "powers of Hell" bit, my Demon."

Bethicia suddenly gasped and fell over, planting her face quite embarrassingly on the ground, and her aura of power was cut short.

A much, much larger aura formed out of the ground, in a geyser of malignant force - and an ashen skinned, red eyed figure slowly materialized, seated on a blasphemous throne. Long nails and vein covered claws stretched out of a golden and black decorated shirt and leather pants that looked like they retained some of the bloodier bits of the animal they were made from.

This was Lucifer, the Demon Lord, the Devil, the Morning Star Fallen Angel.

Bethicia gave a look that spoke to feeling betrayed, "M-My lord!? Why are you---"

Lucifer simply raised a hand and Bethicia started choking, desperately clawing at an invisible hand at her throat.

Gabriel went from mystified by this intrusion to horrified - and he shouted, "What are you doing!? Isn't she with you!?"

Lucifer outright chuckled with scarcely concealed glee, "Ahh yes the tendency for humans to empathize even with those who were just trying to KILL you. She bastardized your King's memories, didn't she? And here you stand, complaining that I discipline my underlings harshly...ahh, I adore humans!"

Gabriel elaborated, pointing his sword at Bethicia, "I would extract my due from her, not have her be torn to shreds by one she holds as a lord in stark betrayal."

A horrified Tamerin moved over to Gabriel's side and tugged at his sleeve, "Sir Gabriel, you're talking to the Demon Lord himself...be careful...he's...I've heard he's unspeakably powerful..."

Lucifer materialized a glass of very suspect looking bright red wine, and drank at it, "I am not here to engage you. In fact I would rather that you hurry up and fight that overeager braggart to the East. What she was SUPPOSED to do was retrieve something...and then necessitated my decision that if you want something done, you need to do it yourself."

Bethicia ineffectually choked and groveled nonverbally.

Jerome stepped forward and asked, "So then, what IS it that the Demon Lord Lucifer was here to achieve?"

Lucifer sipped at his wine, "...I'll answer your question...with a question! What is affliction without Panacea?"

Gabriel realized something - he knew the answer. He knew there was something here, lurking just outside of his awareness. Something that should be dreadfully obvious, a connection between recent events, and with what happened in this village. A fact about something taken, and then something given. The dreams, the God of Affliction, the ranting of that foreign god, and now Lucifer here, looking for "Panacea"...

Lucifer tapped his fingers on his blasphemous throne, and smirked, "I see you are THINKING, Sir Gabriel Dulac. A good look for you. Think, contemplate what happened, come to your own conclusions about events. You have a mind of your own, yes? If so, then exercise it and decide."

A swirl of darkness brought Lucifer and the still choking Bethicia back down to the home of all Demons.

Lucifer departed with a sinister, parting cackle.

Gabriel looked around the damaged and scarred town - he did not want to know what the Demon Lord would want from a place like this, but now...now they needed to put the town back together. It was they that fought here, and only they could do the work of reassembling it.
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