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Re: Best Political Cartoons
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5761 on: September 07, 2017, 08:09:15 pm »
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5762 on: September 07, 2017, 08:19:33 pm »
No? Seems good to me
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5763 on: September 07, 2017, 08:41:47 pm »
No? Seems good to me

Do you really think the far left is so benign?
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5764 on: September 07, 2017, 08:43:47 pm »
No? Seems good to me

Do you really think the far left is so benign?

Remind me how many people the far left has killed in the last, say, five years? I'm being generous and giving them five.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5765 on: September 07, 2017, 09:07:22 pm »
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5766 on: September 07, 2017, 09:20:22 pm »
No? Seems good to me

Do you really think the far left is so benign?

Remind me how many people the far left has killed in the last, say, five years? I'm being generous and giving them five.

It seems to me that you're considering body count the only acceptable metric for a group's odiousness. I could explain the problems with this viewpoint, but it'll be more satisfying to prove you wrong. According to the Cato Institute, left-wing extremists murdered 13 people since the beginning of 2016.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5767 on: September 07, 2017, 09:43:14 pm »
Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank; I'd take what they say with a fair amount of salt.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5768 on: September 07, 2017, 10:17:03 pm »
No? Seems good to me

Do you really think the far left is so benign?

Remind me how many people the far left has killed in the last, say, five years? I'm being generous and giving them five.

It seems to me that you're considering body count the only acceptable metric for a group's odiousness. I could explain the problems with this viewpoint, but it'll be more satisfying to prove you wrong. According to the Cato Institute, left-wing extremists murdered 13 people since the beginning of 2016.

OK your being disingenuous:

Firstly let's look at how your author decided what was 'left wing': "Left Wing terrorists include Communists, Socialists, animal rights activists, anti-white racists, LGBT extremists, attackers inspired by Black Lives Matter, and ethnic or national separatists who also embrace Socialism."

Even with that fairly broad definition:'Left Wing terrorists killed only 23 people in terrorist attacks during this time but 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed 5 since then, including Charlottesville. Meanwhile, the annual chance of being murdered by a Left Wing terrorist was about 1 in 330 million per year. Regardless of the recent upswing in deaths from Left Wing terrorism since 2016, Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have killed about 10 times as many people since 1992.'

'Islamist terrorists are the deadliest since 1992. They killed about 14 times as many people as Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists who, in turn, killed about 10 times as many people as Left Wing terrorists did.'

However even that relies on September 11 - 'The 9/11 attacks accounted for 2,983 of the 3,085 Islamist-inspired terrorist deaths—an overwhelming 97 percent.'

If you exclude 11 September 2001 then the Nationalist and Right Wing Terrorists are the most deadly.

Then again the article relies solely on the Author's grouping for the alleged 23 'left wing' murders which I would like more information on prior to accepting his word for it, especially seeing as by the sounds of things it includes Ethnic Supremacists/ Nationalists who just happen not to be white. Not exactly left wingers. I mean on this category the Japanese in WWII would be grouped as left wingers.

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5769 on: September 08, 2017, 12:16:47 am »
Also if you listen to what extreme-left and extreme-right are saying it becomes clear that one side is largely made up from racists who want to exterminate or deport different ethnic groups while the other side has very few people who support any kinds of massacres or killing.

They are not the same.


Even more so because usually when people talk about how "both sides are the same" they are not comparing Nazis with rabid Communists, they are comparing Nazis with the people marching against Nazis which is even worse comparison.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5770 on: September 08, 2017, 03:11:47 am »
No? Seems good to me

Do you really think the far left is so benign?
Do you really think your non sequitur isn't annoying as fuck?

Also, enjoy.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5771 on: September 08, 2017, 11:05:16 am »
Also if you listen to what extreme-left and extreme-right are saying it becomes clear that one side is largely made up from racists who want to exterminate or deport different ethnic groups while the other side has very few people who support any kinds of massacres or killing.

They are not the same.


Even more so because usually when people talk about how "both sides are the same" they are not comparing Nazis with rabid Communists, they are comparing Nazis with the people marching against Nazis which is even worse comparison.

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm comparing Nazis with Antifa. You know, the thugs who have a well-documented track record of attacking innocent bystanders?

No? Seems good to me

Do you really think the far left is so benign?
Do you really think your non sequitur isn't annoying as fuck?

Also, enjoy.


There's a big difference between wanting to be protected from different opinions and wanting to be protected from violent mobs.

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But hey, false equivalences are totally proof of hypocrisy.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5772 on: September 08, 2017, 11:42:55 am »
Oh yes because Nazis are such wonderful people in and of themselves.  What with their belief that all they consider "undesirable" should be put to death to make way for the glorious Aryan race.  Such wonderful people who we should just let them have their say right?

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5773 on: September 08, 2017, 11:51:50 am »
First of all: where's the evidence that the ANTIFA are attacking innocent people? Because I've seen so many clear false-flag attacks made by Alt-Right & friends because they desperately want to make it look like boths sides are equal.


Second: You are still missing the point. One side has several hate-groups and terrorist organizations ganging up to support the Republican party and the president because they feel that the government is now sanctioning their hate. ...The other side is made up from several conflicting groups and organizations and now you side with Nazis because some of the people who oppose them have punched people?
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #5774 on: September 08, 2017, 12:05:55 pm »
Oh yes because Nazis are such wonderful people in and of themselves.  What with their belief that all they consider "undesirable" should be put to death to make way for the glorious Aryan race.  Such wonderful people who we should just let them have their say right?

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I'm not defending what they have to say, only their right to say it. I'd do the same for any group: communists, Islamists, SJWs, ancaps, or anybody else you could care to name.

First of all: where's the evidence that the ANTIFA are attacking innocent people? Because I've seen so many clear false-flag attacks made by Alt-Right & friends because they desperately want to make it look like boths sides are equal.

They attacked a journalist, pepper-sprayed a woman in Berkely, hit a police horse with a flagpole, and that's just off the top of my head.

Second: You are still missing the point. One side has several hate-groups and terrorist organizations ganging up to support the Republican party and the president because they feel that the government is now sanctioning their hate. ...The other side is made up from several conflicting groups and organizations and now you side with Nazis because some of the people who oppose them have punched people?

I am not siding with the goddamn Nazis! Just because I condemn Antifa's violence doesn't mean I support those bastards. A plague on both their houses, I say.
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