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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2012, 08:44:30 pm »
There are plenty of people that share the same name. So you gotta go by more than just the damn name when putting someone through the legal wringer.
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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2012, 09:14:42 pm »
I think there's plenty of blame to go around. It frightens me, however, to see how badly they botched the whole situation. I talked to my mother about it, and she placed the blame on the teen. As noted by Jack Mann, she was also pregnant. To me, it might be rape, but we'll have to wait for more details.


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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2012, 09:22:33 pm »
Why in the hell would she give them a fake name anyways?

Presumably to keep her identity a secret. /captain obvious

In all seriousness, she was a runaway. She probably didn't want to go home then, and was afraid she'd get sent back to her divorced parents if she gave her real name.

Let's see, false name, deportation...real name, get sent home and can easily leave again...hmm, which would i choose?
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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2012, 09:24:42 pm »
At first blush (and I feel furious with myself over it) I blamed the victim in giving the fake name in the first place. Seriously, I felt rotten over it and like the worst person in the world.

After a bit more thinking I had to wonder how you can confuse a 14 year old for a 22 year old. Did we also not try to do face matching? Then there was the incompetence of the fingerprinting and everything else.

All in all a rotten thing. But... I read something about her getting on to Facebook and talking about her job. That should have set off warning bells too.

Chances are if they don't have prints, they don't have a picture either.
And seriously? I've known a few young teens that could pass as adults, and a few adults that could pass as kids. Given the amount of traffic through ICE, I'm sure it wasn't all that hard a mistake to make
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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2012, 10:08:50 pm »
Well, she certainly got her wish of not being sent home.

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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2012, 10:22:36 pm »
Let's see, false name, deportation...real name, get sent home and can easily leave again...hmm, which would i choose?
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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2012, 10:25:41 pm »
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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2012, 12:12:31 am »
At first blush (and I feel furious with myself over it) I blamed the victim in giving the fake name in the first place. Seriously, I felt rotten over it and like the worst person in the world.

After a bit more thinking I had to wonder how you can confuse a 14 year old for a 22 year old. Did we also not try to do face matching? Then there was the incompetence of the fingerprinting and everything else.

All in all a rotten thing. But... I read something about her getting on to Facebook and talking about her job. That should have set off warning bells too.

Chances are if they don't have prints, they don't have a picture either.
And seriously? I've known a few young teens that could pass as adults, and a few adults that could pass as kids. Given the amount of traffic through ICE, I'm sure it wasn't all that hard a mistake to make
Perhaps so. But if someone has a warrant out for their arrest there should be a picture you can use which takes little time at all (though admittedly sometimes there isn't even that). As I said, more incompetence.

It's a clusterfuck all around.

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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2012, 12:40:02 am »
Wondered when they'd end up deporting US citizens. I knew it was really only a matter of time, and I also highly doubt they'll change their procedures over this (or at least not enough to really do anything).
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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2012, 01:00:12 am »
There are plenty of people that share the same name. So you gotta go by more than just the damn name when putting someone through the legal wringer.

This. If she gave the name "Maria Lopez" or some stereotypical name like that, how could they know the difference between her and any other Maria Lopez in the world?

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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2012, 12:01:10 pm »
At first blush (and I feel furious with myself over it) I blamed the victim in giving the fake name in the first place. Seriously, I felt rotten over it and like the worst person in the world.

After a bit more thinking I had to wonder how you can confuse a 14 year old for a 22 year old. Did we also not try to do face matching? Then there was the incompetence of the fingerprinting and everything else.

All in all a rotten thing. But... I read something about her getting on to Facebook and talking about her job. That should have set off warning bells too.

Chances are if they don't have prints, they don't have a picture either.
And seriously? I've known a few young teens that could pass as adults, and a few adults that could pass as kids. Given the amount of traffic through ICE, I'm sure it wasn't all that hard a mistake to make
Perhaps so. But if someone has a warrant out for their arrest there should be a picture you can use which takes little time at all (though admittedly sometimes there isn't even that). As I said, more incompetence.

It's a clusterfuck all around.

Yes, it would be nice if warrants had a picture. But there's what we wish, and then there's reality. Sometimes they only have a picture drawn up by description.
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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2012, 04:32:21 pm »
At first blush (and I feel furious with myself over it) I blamed the victim in giving the fake name in the first place. Seriously, I felt rotten over it and like the worst person in the world.

After a bit more thinking I had to wonder how you can confuse a 14 year old for a 22 year old. Did we also not try to do face matching? Then there was the incompetence of the fingerprinting and everything else.

All in all a rotten thing. But... I read something about her getting on to Facebook and talking about her job. That should have set off warning bells too.

Chances are if they don't have prints, they don't have a picture either.
And seriously? I've known a few young teens that could pass as adults, and a few adults that could pass as kids. Given the amount of traffic through ICE, I'm sure it wasn't all that hard a mistake to make
Perhaps so. But if someone has a warrant out for their arrest there should be a picture you can use which takes little time at all (though admittedly sometimes there isn't even that). As I said, more incompetence.

It's a clusterfuck all around.

Yes, it would be nice if warrants had a picture. But there's what we wish, and then there's reality. Sometimes they only have a picture drawn up by description.

And that actually makes this less excusable, because they should have been far MORE careful precisely because of their lack of information.
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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2012, 05:58:45 pm »
There's really no excusing it. If they did have the information to make a positive ID, then they didn't use it. If they didn't have it, then they cannot justify deporting someone over it.

What worries me is that these ridiculously lax standards of evidence might be general policy and not a one-off incident.
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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2012, 06:08:08 pm »
At first blush (and I feel furious with myself over it) I blamed the victim in giving the fake name in the first place. Seriously, I felt rotten over it and like the worst person in the world.

After a bit more thinking I had to wonder how you can confuse a 14 year old for a 22 year old. Did we also not try to do face matching? Then there was the incompetence of the fingerprinting and everything else.

All in all a rotten thing. But... I read something about her getting on to Facebook and talking about her job. That should have set off warning bells too.

Chances are if they don't have prints, they don't have a picture either.
And seriously? I've known a few young teens that could pass as adults, and a few adults that could pass as kids. Given the amount of traffic through ICE, I'm sure it wasn't all that hard a mistake to make
Perhaps so. But if someone has a warrant out for their arrest there should be a picture you can use which takes little time at all (though admittedly sometimes there isn't even that). As I said, more incompetence.

It's a clusterfuck all around.

Yes, it would be nice if warrants had a picture. But there's what we wish, and then there's reality. Sometimes they only have a picture drawn up by description.

Did say sometimes there isn't even that.

I guess my point is 1) They didn't exhaust all possibilities. 2) They probably didn't even care. 3) It's rotten all around.

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Re: ICE mistakenly deports teenage girl missing since 2010
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2012, 07:45:35 pm »
There's really no excusing it. If they did have the information to make a positive ID, then they didn't use it. If they didn't have it, then they cannot justify deporting someone over it.

What worries me is that these ridiculously lax standards of evidence might be general policy and not a one-off incident.
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