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Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« on: June 12, 2012, 06:17:16 pm »
Here is a very small sample of the harassment I deal with for daring to criticize sexism in video games. Keep in mind that all this is in response to my Kickstarter project for a video series called Tropes vs. Women in Video Games (which I have not even made yet). These are the types of silencing tactics often used against women on the internet who dare to speak up.

In addition to the torrent of misogyny and hate left on my YouTube video (see below) the intimidation effort has also included repeated vandalizing of the Wikipedia page about me (with porn), organized efforts to flag my YouTube videos as “terrorism”, as well as many threatening messages sent through Twitter, Facebook, Kickstarter, email and my own website.  These messages and comments have included everything from the typical sandwich and kitchen “jokes” to threats of violence, death, sexual assault and rape.  All that plus an organized attempt to report this project to Kickstarter and get it banned or defunded.
http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/06/harassment-misogyny-and-silencing-on-youtube/

Link to screen shot of all the hate (it is HUGE picture) - http://www.feministfrequency.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/YouTube_Harassment2-2hour.jpg

Most of it is (no surprise here) a troll fest that has been linked to have started at 4chan.  While I think it is just a nutty feminist speaking out and doesn't deserve the attention she is getting at the same time of course doesn't deserve death threats and all the hate either. 

This definitely doesn't show male gamers in a good light and it also plays right into her hand completely on what she is trying to prove.  Nice job 4chan.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 06:33:43 pm »
Dude, she is not a feminist fundie. Feminist fundies are like the ones on the mainpage right now who say that men are inherently evil. To my knowledge, this particular gamer has never said anything remotely similar to that. She is simply discussing the sexism in the video game industry and in gamer culture, which I (a "gamer chick") think is a serious issue that does need to be addressed.

She brought up a good point though that it's interesting that this is the knee-jerk response she is faced with for even saying that she plans to tackle the sexism in the gamer subculture. Female gamers are a growing demographic in the video game community, but it is still very much dominated by sexism.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 06:41:08 pm »
Dude, she is not a feminist fundie. Feminist fundies are like the ones on the mainpage right now who say that men are inherently evil. To my knowledge, this particular gamer has never said anything remotely similar to that. She is simply discussing the sexism in the video game industry and in gamer culture, which I (a "gamer chick") think is a serious issue that does need to be addressed.

She brought up a good point though that it's interesting that this is the knee-jerk response she is faced with for even saying that she plans to tackle the sexism in the gamer subculture. Female gamers are a growing demographic in the video game community, but it is still very much dominated by sexism.

Sexism is rampant on both sides but you don't see us guys bitching do you? I sure as hell don't look like no Dante (see Dante's inferno) or any other super steroided mongloid.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 07:20:47 pm »
I'm not gonna dignify your opinion of what lable this young lady should fall under.  BTW...you're wrong.

What I will talk about is the stupidity of this whole situation.  Really guys?  You're gonna go through all this to troll and prove her right?  Are you really this stupid?

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 07:33:19 pm »
Dude, she is not a feminist fundie. Feminist fundies are like the ones on the mainpage right now who say that men are inherently evil. To my knowledge, this particular gamer has never said anything remotely similar to that. She is simply discussing the sexism in the video game industry and in gamer culture, which I (a "gamer chick") think is a serious issue that does need to be addressed.

She brought up a good point though that it's interesting that this is the knee-jerk response she is faced with for even saying that she plans to tackle the sexism in the gamer subculture. Female gamers are a growing demographic in the video game community, but it is still very much dominated by sexism.

Sexism is rampant on both sides but you don't see us guys bitching do you? I sure as hell don't look like no Dante (see Dante's inferno) or any other super steroided mongloid.

In the gamer community, sexism is overwhelmingly the of the misogynistic kind. There is a reason why women do not play with female avatars in many MMORPGs - it is the rampant sexism that makes some men think they have the right to sexually harass players simply because they are women, and then get pissy when they are called out on being assholes. I am not discounting the fact that male characters in video games tend to face their own set of problems, but if a man were making a video about how to write better male characters, he would not be facing anywhere near this vicious torrent of criticism. Compared to male characters, female characters are overwhelmingly cliched and reek of sexism. They are not original characters, they are same stereotypes and roles repeated over and over again. The fact is that game writers today simply do not know how to write female characters as well as they write male characters, and as a result they tend to stray towards gender roles, stereotypes, and blatant objectification of women.

I'm not gonna dignify your opinion of what lable this young lady should fall under.  BTW...you're wrong.

What I will talk about is the stupidity of this whole situation.  Really guys?  You're gonna go through all this to troll and prove her right?  Are you really this stupid?

Ironbite-morons.

Seeing as there are some people who have donated to her cause simply because of the abuse she is facing, the trolls' campaign has definitely been counterproductive and a completely idiotic waste of time.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 07:38:01 pm »
I feel that this is relevant to the discussion. It's no wonder female characters in games are usually little more than a set of tits when the market is this pants-on-head fucking stupid.

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2012, 07:57:44 pm »
Sexism is rampant on both sides but you don't see us guys bitching do you? I sure as hell don't look like no Dante (see Dante's inferno) or any other super steroided mongloid.

Orly? Since when do males get the same amount of hate and misandry against them that women do in online games?

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2012, 08:03:11 pm »
Sexism is rampant on both sides but you don't see us guys bitching do you? I sure as hell don't look like no Dante (see Dante's inferno) or any other super steroided mongloid.

Orly? Since when do males get the same amount of hate and misandry against them that women do in online games?

Though I do agree that there is a lot of one sided misogyny, I believe he's talking about how men are also stereotyped in games often as muscle bound meatheads.

Don't get me wrong, I think all of this needs to stop as a whole, especially how the trolls of the gamer community treat women online.

I feel that this is relevant to the discussion. It's no wonder female characters in games are usually little more than a set of tits when the market is this pants-on-head fucking stupid.

I do REALLY like the idea of the auto-mute and the guild rating systems.  Like A LOT.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2012, 08:08:40 pm »
Just to clarify where I stand

First off ironbite ya fundie might of went to far as per my title but to be truthfully honest I didn't create the title I stole it from another gaming news website before getting pointed to the website this girl runs and forget to change it in haste.

2nd as I stated in the OP I don't think this warrants all the crap and hate she is getting.  But also the fact that she is wearing the feminist banner doesn't help her cause either.  If I was her I would of dropped the whole feminist act and just stated the main point - female gamer sexism -.

3rd Yes its quite evident sexism is rampant.  She doesn't need to do a kickstarter and ask for money (especially 6,000 dollars) for something that is widely known and has been covered before like the penny arcade that was posted.  This could easily of been done without asking for money just simply hitting the internet for 5-15 minutes.

I blame the parents more than anything though.  While obviously I don't have any hard statistics to back this up, but coming from playing CoD since WaW on XBL, I've noticed most of the sexism at least in the CoD world come from kids that shouldn't even be playing the game to begin with.  Now I am not saying older guys are innocent by any means.  I just notice that a very big percentage though was from the 14 years old and younger males.

But aside from the sexism coming from the multiplayer crowd I don't see the problem.

Sexism as far as the character models themselves exist on both sides. In fact I never saw it as a problem, I figured the overly sexualized females was fan service for the males and the overly alphamale sexualized males were for the females and don't see the problem there.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2012, 08:16:36 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2012, 08:23:19 pm »
2nd as I stated in the OP I don't think this warrants all the crap and hate she is getting.  But also the fact that she is wearing the feminist banner doesn't help her cause either.  If I was her I would of dropped the whole feminist act and just stated the main point - female gamer sexism -.

Misogyny is a feminist issue. She should not have to apologize for labeling herself a feminist; it fits her and her views perfectly. If anything, an increase in vocal feminists can help move people away from the stereotype of the hairy-legged humorless feminazi. Even if she doesn't label herself publicly as a feminist, sooner or later the trolls will still call her one, except this time as an insult.

3rd Yes its quite evident sexism is rampant.  She doesn't need to do a kickstarter and ask for money (especially 6,000 dollars) for something that is widely known and has been covered before like the penny arcade that was posted.  This could easily of been done without asking for money just simply hitting the internet for 5-15 minutes.

She intends to do in-depth explorations of tropes of female video game characters. This is not something that can be covered in a short episode with a sped-up voice. This is also not her first project; she has done professional-quality projects before that have been influential for other writers, and she wants to maintain that quality here.

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But aside from the sexism coming from the multiplayer crowd I don't see the problem.

This is why the videos are necessary. Male gamers don't always pick up on this stuff, but the messages are extremely obvious to women. In video games, women are typically prizes or sex objects (often both), and are objectified without being given the same sort of character depth frequently awarded to male characters.

Sexism as far as the character models themselves exist on both sides. In fact I never saw it as a problem, I figured the overly sexualized females was fan service for the males and the overly alphamale sexualized males were for the females and don't see the problem there.

I don't care if the models are "pretty" (you're going to be looking at them a lot, so they might as well be easy on the eyes), but there is a clear problem in your average fantasy RPG when male warriors are always covered in legitimate armor like this



Yet time and time again, women are shown in skimpy chainmail bikinis that have no other purpose than to objectify and sexualize them. (Having a breastplate that contours the shape of a woman's breasts would actually be dangerous to the wearer, because if struck it could break the sternum.)

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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2012, 08:28:28 pm »
Sexism is rampant on both sides but you don't see us guys bitching do you? I sure as hell don't look like no Dante (see Dante's inferno) or any other super steroided mongloid.
Yes. Yes, we do see more and more guys bitching about how "neglected" and "disrespected" their preferences are when a few high-profile games does not pander to them explicitly. Claiming that the macho, muscle-bound protagonists that make them feel inadequate are targeted to females, when in fact they cater to a very male power fantasy. Insulting everyone that dares suggest there may too much oversexualized females in their favorite games. And of course, claiming that all "guys", or "straight male gamers" as it is sometimes termed, are on their side in the culture war against feminazism.

There's for your claims of misandry in video games. As for the reality of misogyny, I don't think I have anything to add that hasn't already been said.

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2012, 08:28:49 pm »
I do mostly agree with you Wykked, BUT with the last point with the armor, a whole load of western rpgs have been majorly shying away from the "bikini armor" thing.  And most of the games you do find it in now are either slapstick or put in with mods (like mods like this for games like Skyrim).
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2012, 08:51:15 pm »
Males also fall into a similar stereotype as well
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And yet these stereotypes don't objectify men, they empower them.  Even that last one, who is more buff than most men I've met.

Meanwhile, female stereotypes rarely serve to empower, mostly to objectify.
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