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Re: The Greatest Wars (Or Battles) the Ameri-Centric World has never heard of.
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2012, 01:12:43 am »
Know how big this country is? Presuming the existence of the US navy, they would have taken a single city or town- perhaps Townsville or Cairns- and then be stuck there forever, gradually starving to death. At most a few thousand civilian deaths, and that's assuming the IJA went full-Nanjing. Totally worth it to end a war that cost millions of civilian lives.

Australia is big, almost as big as the lower 48 states.  But I see no reason that the Japanese would not be able to expand beyond an initial beachhead, given the proper amounts of vehicles and equipment and that they could maintain a supply line.

Presuming that the IJN could ship even one millilitre of petroleum to Australia, through the submarine-long-range-aircraft-and-main-fleet-infested waters, which they couldn't.
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Re: The Greatest Wars (Or Battles) the Ameri-Centric World has never heard of.
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2012, 02:17:49 am »
Emu regiments supported by shock Cassowary battalions and wombat-drawn artillery.

It was impossible for the Japanese to come anywhere close to invading Australia, it could have been possible if that was all they focused on after 1931 and didn't bother invading China.

If by "drawing off" you mean requiring the greatest amount of manpower/resources to kill people, I suppose you are right.  If the Soviets had been compelled to fight on two fronts (as the Americans were) they might not have been able to do it.  As it was, they were throwing everything they had at the Germans, who already held a big chunk of their western territory.

But the Soviets thrashed the Japanese in 1938 and 1939. And funnily enough the Japanese signed their non-aggression pact only months before Barbarossa (though not as funny as the lack of cooperation between the North Koreans and the Chinese). Khalkhin Gol led directly to Pearl Harbor.

You have to love the twists history takes.

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Re: The Greatest Wars (Or Battles) the Ameri-Centric World has never heard of.
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2012, 02:48:12 am »
Emu regiments supported by shock Cassowary battalions and wombat-drawn artillery.

It was impossible for the Japanese to come anywhere close to invading Australia, it could have been possible if that was all they focused on after 1931 and didn't bother invading China.

If by "drawing off" you mean requiring the greatest amount of manpower/resources to kill people, I suppose you are right.  If the Soviets had been compelled to fight on two fronts (as the Americans were) they might not have been able to do it.  As it was, they were throwing everything they had at the Germans, who already held a big chunk of their western territory.

But the Soviets thrashed the Japanese in 1938 and 1939. And funnily enough the Japanese signed their non-aggression pact only months before Barbarossa (though not as funny as the lack of cooperation between the North Koreans and the Chinese). Khalkhin Gol led directly to Pearl Harbor.

You have to love the twists history takes.

An act of mercy at the battle at Marcoing saved Hitler's life.
Talvisota led directly to Hitler deciding launch Barbarossa.
A would be Russian poet was wounded in the Battle of Bryansk which led him to design the most iconic weapon of the 20th century.

Anybody here remember the series Connections by Jame Burke (or his follow up The day the Universe Changed)?

Also Talvisota/winter war revealed the horrible state the Soviet military was in after the purges. They had only a few experienced higher ranking officers left, the young officers (like the one who rose from a platoon leader to division commander in three years) were simply not ready for the war. After the winter war seeing how they had been humiliated they started to rebuild and retrain their military. Not that it would have been done immediately, but this did give them a bit more time.
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Re: The Greatest Wars (Or Battles) the Ameri-Centric World has never heard of.
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2012, 03:28:41 am »
Also Talvisota/winter war revealed the horrible state the Soviet military was in after the purges. They had only a few experienced higher ranking officers left, the young officers (like the one who rose from a platoon leader to division commander in three years) were simply not ready for the war. After the winter war seeing how they had been humiliated they started to rebuild and retrain their military. Not that it would have been done immediately, but this did give them a bit more time.

The same sort of thing happened to Russia under Peter the Great in the Great Northern War. Sweden curb stomped a much larger Russian force at Narva but Russia managed to lick it wounds and learn its lessons which allowed it to return the favour nine years later at Poltava with a much improved army.

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Re: The Greatest Wars (Or Battles) the Ameri-Centric World has never heard of.
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2012, 01:52:36 am »
Know how big this country is? Presuming the existence of the US navy, they would have taken a single city or town- perhaps Townsville or Cairns- and then be stuck there forever, gradually starving to death. At most a few thousand civilian deaths, and that's assuming the IJA went full-Nanjing. Totally worth it to end a war that cost millions of civilian lives.

Australia is big, almost as big as the lower 48 states.  But I see no reason that the Japanese would not be able to expand beyond an initial beachhead, given the proper amounts of vehicles and equipment and that they could maintain a supply line.

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Re: The Greatest Wars (Or Battles) the Ameri-Centric World has never heard of.
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2012, 02:27:05 am »
Also Talvisota/winter war revealed the horrible state the Soviet military was in after the purges. They had only a few experienced higher ranking officers left, the young officers (like the one who rose from a platoon leader to division commander in three years) were simply not ready for the war. After the winter war seeing how they had been humiliated they started to rebuild and retrain their military. Not that it would have been done immediately, but this did give them a bit more time.

The same sort of thing happened to Russia under Peter the Great in the Great Northern War. Sweden curb stomped a much larger Russian force at Narva but Russia managed to lick it wounds and learn its lessons which allowed it to return the favour nine years later at Poltava with a much improved army.

There was this quote I can't seem to find or remember correctly. Basically:

"Russia has never been as strong as we fear it to be nor as weak as we hope it to be."
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Re: The Greatest Wars (Or Battles) the Ameri-Centric World has never heard of.
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2012, 03:45:32 am »
The War of Austrian Succession, also known as "Never underestimate the power of someone who can give birth to sixteen children."

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Re: The Greatest Wars (Or Battles) the Ameri-Centric World has never heard of.
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2012, 04:08:24 am »
The War of Austrian Succession, also known as "Never underestimate the power of someone who can give birth to sixteen children."

Eh, not really considering that she didn't get Silesia back. But it does show that people/countries/states can change their foreign policy quite quickly if they want to*.

* Though then again, this could be more of a feature for monarchies as opposed to liberal democracies.

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Re: The Greatest Wars (Or Battles) the Ameri-Centric World has never heard of.
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2012, 04:14:42 am »
Bangladesh War of Liberation.

Horrifically bloody, and resulted in more civilian deaths than military.  And it's recent history too, which means that public school history curricula are even less likely to cover it.
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