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Next Gen Console Wars
« on: January 25, 2012, 10:20:37 am »
The new Xbox will be in production by the end of this year and arrive in late October or early November 2013, sources close to the project tell IGN. The new game console--often referred to as Xbox 720--will be based on Advanced Micro Devices' 6000 series graphics processor, with support for DirectX11, 1080p HD, multi-display output, and 3D.

The new processor, which was unveiled late last year, will give the new Xbox six times the processing power of Xbox 360 and 20 percent greater performance than Nintendo's forthcoming console, the Wii U, sources said.
source - http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57365392-235/new-xbox-coming-in-fall-2013/

So it looks like the next round of console wars is upon us.  Sadly I am feeling that Microsoft isn't off to a great start.  If it is confirmed that they are going to use the AMD/ATI Graphic card their 6000 series it is already old technology.  Now it could be worse but my point is this; while the 7000 series is still maybe "too top of the line" right now, considering the fact that this new Xbox isn't due out till supposedly 2013 I would think it would be smart to go with a more top of the line card now knowing full well that by the time you get to full mass production usually a year before release date, the price of that once "top of the line" will probably be about the same as the 6000 you were planning on putting in it.  What do you all think of the current specs that are being projected?
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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 11:07:02 am »
*shrug* Maybe they're waiting for the 7000 to be more affordable before they announce they're making it part of the console. Honestly though, I'm not an Xbox fan as it is, and I've still yet to hear any news that'll make me want to get the new one.
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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 01:34:24 pm »
Can we even really call it a war anymore? Microsoft has already lost just from what I've seen in that small blurb. Sony isn't likely to fare much better.

Nintendo found the formula that wins the war. Forget processing power, go with accessibility. While some may whine that Nintendo has abandoned "true gamers" (a claim I find hard to substantiate after Skyward Sword, even if it did take sadly long to show the Wii's true potential), they are now the industry giant. They took "someone who plays video games" and turned that from "gamers" to literally "everyone and their grandma too".

And now here's Microsoft spouting nonsense about 3D (which is terrible on anything but a personal screen like the 3DS) and multi-display. Who cares about that? No one but the hardcore fringe. And let's face it--Sony's never had an original idea in ever. Their entire video game empire is built on ripping off Nintendo.

Now, I don't doubt these next gen consoles will have games I will desperately want to play that won't be on the WiiU. Just the way of the world. But Nintendo won the war years ago, and MicroSoft, at least, seems totally oblivious to that fact.

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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 01:38:08 pm »
And now here's Microsoft spouting nonsense about 3D (which is terrible on anything but a personal screen like the 3DS) and multi-display.

Multi-display? How does that even work?

Nevertheless, Nintendo has the upper-hand especially considering that they have the best hand-held console in the market right now.
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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 01:42:03 pm »
And now here's Microsoft spouting nonsense about 3D (which is terrible on anything but a personal screen like the 3DS) and multi-display.

Multi-display? How does that even work?

Nevertheless, Nintendo has the upper-hand especially considering that they have the best hand-held console in the market right now.
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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2012, 03:36:03 pm »
Can we even really call it a war anymore? Microsoft has already lost just from what I've seen in that small blurb. Sony isn't likely to fare much better.

Nintendo found the formula that wins the war. Forget processing power, go with accessibility. While some may whine that Nintendo has abandoned "true gamers" (a claim I find hard to substantiate after Skyward Sword, even if it did take sadly long to show the Wii's true potential), they are now the industry giant. They took "someone who plays video games" and turned that from "gamers" to literally "everyone and their grandma too".

And now here's Microsoft spouting nonsense about 3D (which is terrible on anything but a personal screen like the 3DS) and multi-display. Who cares about that? No one but the hardcore fringe. And let's face it--Sony's never had an original idea in ever. Their entire video game empire is built on ripping off Nintendo.

Now, I don't doubt these next gen consoles will have games I will desperately want to play that won't be on the WiiU. Just the way of the world. But Nintendo won the war years ago, and MicroSoft, at least, seems totally oblivious to that fact.

The Wii is a terrible concept though.  Just like the Wii U is also a failure.  Nintendo has yet again gone with technology that will be almost 5 years old come their release date if the details dropped at E3 last year have been confirmed.  I also think should again the rumors get confirmed, Xbox will be the winner in the next gen of consoles. Here is why, lets say they improve on the specs a bit and use a 7000 series card.  The graphics would be amazing. now the biggest killer for the Wii U is Kinect 2.  The Kinect 2 will make the Wii U obsolete and here is why http://www.techspot.com/news/46434-microsofts-kinect-2-will-be-able-to-read-lips-and-detect-your-mood.html  Nintendo just has motion detection from 2 joy sticks and soon a gamepad type device, but this is what will set Microsoft apart and smash the Wii U.  I don't even think Sony has something this advanced.
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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2012, 04:20:33 pm »
Wars aren't won with how pretty your weapons are. They're won by how effective they are. Say what you will about the Wii--it was effective, in that it out-sold both competitors put together for many years, and leads by a gigantic margin to this day. Are the X-Box and PS3 stronger? Undoubtedly. Are they capable of higher resolutions? Yep.

None of that mattered. Nintendo still won the last round harder than anyone has ever won any round of anything in the history of everything.

And I am seriously sick of hearing about graphics. Because higher resolutions mean absolutely nothing to me. You know what I think the three best looking games of all time are? Okami, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, and Skyward Sword. Artistry trumps a higher pixil count. A game doesn't have to be photo-realistic and made up of nothing but washed-out brown colors to be beautiful.

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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2012, 04:29:40 pm »
Wars aren't won with how pretty your weapons are. They're won by how effective they are. Say what you will about the Wii--it was effective, in that it out-sold both competitors put together for many years, and leads by a gigantic margin to this day. Are the X-Box and PS3 stronger? Undoubtedly. Are they capable of higher resolutions? Yep.

None of that mattered. Nintendo still won the last round harder than anyone has ever won any round of anything in the history of everything.

And I am seriously sick of hearing about graphics. Because higher resolutions mean absolutely nothing to me. You know what I think the three best looking games of all time are? Okami, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, and Skyward Sword. Artistry trumps a higher pixil count. A game doesn't have to be photo-realistic and made up of nothing but washed-out brown colors to be beautiful.

You kind of skipped over Kinect 2, that is what will kill the Wii U this time around.
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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2012, 04:35:29 pm »
I really don't think it's capable of that. No one made anything a sane person wanted to play with on the Kinetic, and the Kinetic 2 will be just as piss-poor. It'll just cost twice the price to suck just as hard. The Kinetic is everything "wrong" with the WiiMote with none of what is "right". WiiMote blends basic, intuitive motions with traditional controls. The Kinetic just has you moving around--you don't even have a way to fucking walk forward with no controller. Call me crazy, but I don't want to stand perfectly still waving my arms around, using my empty hands like a lightsabre to kill storm troopers who run at me in waves because I can't fucking walk forward.

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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 04:43:57 pm »
And now here's Microsoft spouting nonsense about 3D (which is terrible on anything but a personal screen like the 3DS) and multi-display.
Multi-display? How does that even work?

Like this, Except with TVs instead of computer monitors. PC gaming has been doing this for years.

Translation: useless to anyone who isn't a pc gamer.

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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2012, 04:48:01 pm »
As a diehard PCist, it will be just as irrelevant to me as the last one.

Edit: directed at the OP title, not at VirtualStranger's post.
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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2012, 04:49:57 pm »
For me, the quality of a console is heavily dependent on the quality of the games available for it, and in that regard, The Wii has failed miserably. You could probably count the number of Wii games that aren't crap shovel-ware on two hands. The console has produced almost no decent third party titles, with only the occasional big-name 80's Nintendo franchise to keep it relevant in my eyes.

The Wii is "winning?" Sure, if you consider making boatloads of money by pumping out the living-room equivalent of Facebook games to be "winning." I prefer quality titles, myself.

As a diehard PCist, it will be just as irrelevant to me as the last one.

Sorry, what I meant to say was, useless to anyone who isn't playing on a PC. Since, you know, not many people buy two identical living room TVs to put side-by-side.
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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2012, 05:01:32 pm »
The issue is, you can't blame Nintendo for 3rd parties avoiding their system. Nintendo gave them a platform, they couldn't force them to work from it.

The sad truth is, the rising costs of producing a quality game are making developers afraid to take risks. There's a depressing reason why almost every game of note released today is a sequel, a reboot, or a remake. The video game industry is becoming the same innovation wasteland that Hollywood has become.

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Re: Next Gen Console Wars
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 06:33:14 pm »
The problem I find with the Wii, one that also applies to the Kinect, is that motion controls are just...awkward, to me.  That, and the Wii versions of games released on other consoles tend to have pared-down content when compared to their cousins.  Case in point, The Force Unleashed...least, from what I've heard.  The overhead of motion-sensitive controls has to be taken into account somewhere, and it seems to be overall content that suffers most often.

Now, to the general pissing contest between Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony...  I don't really give a shit what you play on.  You use whatever system works best for you and has games you like.  The lines of actual, appreciable difference between the consoles are blurring with each new iteration...eventually, its only going to really come down to what logo is on your system and the splash screen when it boots up, minus some exclusive titles and shit.  Hell, the 360 and PS3 are already pretty much just pared-down PCs with specialized peripherals and operating systems.

But, this is turning into a rant, sooooooo...  What do I, personally use for gaming?  My console of choice is the 360.  But, the one gaming machine I will always have around in some way, shape, or form...is a PC.  Its more modular, more upgradable, and has flexibility that consoles simply don't have.  Remember, PCs almost always get the modding tools.
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2012, 07:01:42 pm »
I've always thought motion controls were a gimmick myself. Most games on motion control-capable consoles don't use motion control. I like the Wii but I still keep my Game Cube around just in case. (I can't believe people are saying Game Cubes are retro.)
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