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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1515 on: July 20, 2018, 08:13:53 pm »
Honestly, I don't see how abolishing prisons is keeping with the principles of either social democrats or democratic socialists, or socialists, or democrats of any stripe. It's just nuts.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1516 on: July 20, 2018, 11:28:35 pm »
Abolishing for-profit prisons and bail is perfectly sensible. Abolishing prisons and borders themselves is fucking stupid.

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« Reply #1517 on: July 21, 2018, 01:32:39 am »
Abolishing for-profit prisons and bail is perfectly sensible. Abolishing prisons and borders themselves is fucking stupid.

I wouldn't mind still having bail for rich defendants, but I'm not exactly tied to the notion.

And abolishing profit is ridiculous, capitalism works just fine in its proper sphere. It's when it's moved outside that sphere that it goes haywire.
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« Reply #1518 on: July 21, 2018, 11:01:47 am »
Like prisons.  And education.  And healthcare.  And the basic fundamentals of modern human living.
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« Reply #1519 on: July 21, 2018, 11:31:52 am »
Like prisons.  And education.  And healthcare.  And the basic fundamentals of modern human living.

More health insurance than health care. It's perfectly healthy for doctors to compete on quality of service and (especially for GPs) different secondary specializations.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1520 on: July 21, 2018, 11:39:13 am »
But you don't lose any money with the bail if you show up in court. Allowing only rich people to pay bail would mean that any poor suspect would be stuck in jail while the rich will offer a sum of money as collateral and then get out. And the only purpose for the bail is to make it expensive for them to run away and hide from the court which is a thing that rich people can do easier anyway.

AFAIK bail bonds aren't really a thing in Finland. Either the court decides that the person is a flight risk or threat and must be detained until court or they don't. No payment necessary.
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« Reply #1521 on: July 21, 2018, 11:46:14 am »
But you don't lose any money with the bail if you show up in court. Allowing only rich people to pay bail would mean that any poor suspect would be stuck in jail while the rich will offer a sum of money as collateral and then get out. And the only purpose for the bail is to make it expensive for them to run away and hide from the court which is a thing that rich people can do easier anyway.

AFAIK bail bonds aren't really a thing in Finland. Either the court decides that the person is a flight risk or threat and must be detained until court or they don't. No payment necessary.

No, the point would be that rich people would have to post (substantial) bail; poor people would be released on their own recognizance (and get reminders to show up in court; this has proved effective in Philadelphia), and possibly ankle tracking bracelets if they are deemed a flight risk.
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« Reply #1522 on: July 21, 2018, 11:58:23 am »
That makes more sense.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1523 on: July 21, 2018, 09:04:33 pm »
Honestly, I don't see how abolishing prisons is keeping with the principles of either social democrats or democratic socialists, or socialists, or democrats of any stripe. It's just nuts.

well, there's the "prison at the standards of most of the world is more or less torture and it makes criminals even more likely to commit crimes once they come out, so it might well be a net negative" argument.

I don't know if that's true, mind you. But I don't know that it's false either.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1524 on: July 21, 2018, 10:15:22 pm »
That would more be an argument against how prisons are run than an argument against prisons per se.

Of course for the last century at least any attempt to reintergrate prisoners so they become less of a danger to society and less terminally violent, drug-addled fuckups runs into the same old predictable 'ur being soft on crims' narrative.

And so prisons are left to be violent, rapey, murderous torture-holes and crime schools until the inmates get let out at some point and do something worse than they did before they were chucked in.

Ah, fuck. This shit gives me a headache.
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« Reply #1525 on: July 21, 2018, 11:04:44 pm »
That would more be an argument against how prisons are run than an argument against prisons per se.

Of course for the last century at least any attempt to reintergrate prisoners so they become less of a danger to society and less terminally violent, drug-addled fuckups runs into the same old predictable 'ur being soft on crims' narrative.

And so prisons are left to be violent, rapey, murderous torture-holes and crime schools until the inmates get let out at some point and do something worse than they did before they were chucked in.

Ah, fuck. This shit gives me a headache.

The first thing you could try is letting them vote while incarcerated and have that basic link to the rest of society, so that they're not completely cut off and ostracized.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1527 on: July 25, 2018, 01:04:03 am »
I really want to see the source on that quote because I think I might know who that is, funnily enough.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1528 on: July 25, 2018, 01:11:10 am »
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1529 on: July 25, 2018, 03:30:21 am »
It reads almost exactly like a really weird guy I talked to once. It sounds almost exactly like him but I can't be sure because I tried looking for where it would be posted but couldn't find it.

If it isn't him it's probably some random on reddit.