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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2535 on: October 01, 2018, 05:14:34 pm »
You’re cute when you ignore ratfuckery.

I.e. Much like gerrymandering, norms and mores, moreso than rules and procedure, that reign in partisanship. Your system, just as much as ours, is susceptible to partisanship; you’ve  just been lucky enough to avoid it.

Case in point Doug Ford, Ontario's drug dealer turned mini trump.  For the Non-Canadians, right in the middle of Toronto's municipal election he announced he would slash the size of the city council, basically to spite his enemies there and unfairly advantage the right.  When a judge ruled this illegal because it prevented the election from being fair, Ford broke the norms of Canadian politics by using the notwithstanding clause that lets the government ignore the courts.  The law is meant for emergency situations only, but Doug busts it out of over trivial matters to rig the system and hurt people he doesn't like.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2536 on: October 01, 2018, 06:32:21 pm »
That won't come back and bite him in the ass.

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« Reply #2537 on: October 01, 2018, 06:42:03 pm »
It actually might not; his caucus doesn't even have a plurality of Toronto's MPPs.

But yes, our system is very prone to partisan fuckery, and we'd avoided it before this I think, in part, because everyone realized that the moment one of them did violate the norms, everyone would feel free to do it, including the next government to take power in said jurisdiction. Whether Ford's opened the floodgates remains to be seen.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2538 on: October 02, 2018, 05:24:57 pm »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/trump-scary-time-for-young-men-metoo/index.html

So it's really become a war of the sexes. Do they not care about women voters at all? Clearly putting a judge in the supreme court who could over turn Roe V Wade and is accused of sexual assault, along with having a president who is also equally as sleezy is just alienating more and more women voters.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2539 on: October 02, 2018, 07:17:23 pm »
It doesn't matter to them.  All that matters is putting minorities in their places.

Ironbite-cause they need to put a halt to all forms of progress lest they get left in the dust.

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« Reply #2540 on: October 02, 2018, 07:19:28 pm »
As long as they can hold a third of the Senate they can block any attempt by the Democrats to get rid of their SCOTUS justices, and as long as they can hold a legislative house in a quarter of the states they can block any Constitutional amendment.

It's more important to entrench white male conservative power on the Supreme Court for a long time than it is to win in 2018, or 2020, or any election for the next while.

Outside of expanding the Supreme Court, pretty much the only chance the Democrats have of knocking that off is to hope that Clarence Thomas and Ruth Bader Ginsburg die while there's a Democratic President and a Democratic-controlled Senate (or, if there's a split that blocks it, that that's the result the next time the two are controlled by the same party).
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2541 on: October 02, 2018, 07:25:14 pm »
The US really need to introduce a retirement age for their Supreme Court. 70 or 75 should be old enough to mean that you should retire.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2542 on: October 02, 2018, 07:35:55 pm »
SCOTUS nothing.  Congress should have term and age limits.

Ironbite-solve a lot of the crap we're seeing right now.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2543 on: October 02, 2018, 08:06:53 pm »
SCOTUS nothing.  Congress should have term and age limits.

A nice idea. But, as much as Congress is flawed, I like the idea of experienced and knowledgeable politicians more so than I like the idea of "new blood." Additionally, if people really cared about Congressional term limits, they could just vote in primaries, field a challenger, vote for the opposing candidate(s), or not vote at all.*

*None of which will happen because are a democracy: we are free to be as lazy and stupid as we want to be.
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Does anyone take Donald Trump seriously, anymore?

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2544 on: October 02, 2018, 08:31:18 pm »
SCOTUS nothing.  Congress should have term and age limits.

A nice idea. But, as much as Congress is flawed, I like the idea of experienced and knowledgeable politicians more so than I like the idea of "new blood." Additionally, if people really cared about Congressional term limits, they could just vote in primaries, field a challenger, vote for the opposing candidate(s), or not vote at all.*

*None of which will happen because are a democracy: we are free to be as lazy and stupid as we want to be.

Whereas SCOTUS appointments are for life and shouldn't really be capable of impeachment except for the most egregious offences to avoid political interference. That necessary independence is a pretty good basis for only appointing those people who are beyond reproach and not actively partisan.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2545 on: October 02, 2018, 09:26:12 pm »
SCOTUS nothing.  Congress should have term and age limits.

A nice idea. But, as much as Congress is flawed, I like the idea of experienced and knowledgeable politicians more so than I like the idea of "new blood." Additionally, if people really cared about Congressional term limits, they could just vote in primaries, field a challenger, vote for the opposing candidate(s), or not vote at all.*

*None of which will happen because are a democracy: we are free to be as lazy and stupid as we want to be.

Whereas SCOTUS appointments are for life and shouldn't really be capable of impeachment except for the most egregious offences to avoid political interference. That necessary independence is a pretty good basis for only appointing those people who are beyond reproach and not actively partisan.

A nice idea, in theory.
Does anyone take Donald Trump seriously, anymore?

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2546 on: October 02, 2018, 09:41:51 pm »
The Republicans will never nominate someone nonpartisan again. They're deathly afraid of nominating another David Souter.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2547 on: October 02, 2018, 09:49:09 pm »
If you want to fix congress, take the money out of politics. Ban lobbying, enact publicly funded election campaigns for all candidates and ban politicians from working in the private sector when they leave office (though compensate them with a generous pension). Make it so politicians must answer solely to their voters rather than donors, and things will improve immensely.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2548 on: October 02, 2018, 10:24:00 pm »
Funnily enough all of those things have to be approved by the very people the status quo benefits.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2549 on: October 02, 2018, 11:00:21 pm »
Indeed. No doubt the pricks will run the entire country into the ground before they fix it. In fact, I believe it's happening right now.