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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #705 on: March 04, 2017, 01:47:59 pm »
Well...at least it sounds like Senator Isakson has an okay head on his shoulders, if nothin else.

Nah, he was busy holding a telephone "town hall". (You know, where you get to screen the participants and the questions so that you don't get asked anything you don't have an answer to.)
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« Reply #706 on: March 04, 2017, 02:44:37 pm »
So now the idiot is claiming Obama wiretapped Trump tower during the campaign. Most likely to deflect from this growing Russia issue. He needs to stop campaigning and try to run the country.

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« Reply #707 on: March 04, 2017, 03:00:00 pm »
So now the idiot is claiming Obama wiretapped Trump tower during the campaign. Most likely to deflect from this growing Russia issue. He needs to stop campaigning and try to run the country.

The US is in perpetual campaign mode--one of the downsides of fixed election dates. Plus the Republicans have a real chance of picking up a Senate supermajority in 2018.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #708 on: March 04, 2017, 03:17:54 pm »
Not if Trump keeps this up.

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« Reply #709 on: March 04, 2017, 04:16:37 pm »
Historically speaking, presidents don't tend to hold onto power in congress for long.

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« Reply #710 on: March 04, 2017, 08:04:18 pm »
Historically speaking, presidents don't tend to hold onto power in congress for long.

But 2018 is an extremely atypical year.

The House is, of course, gerrymandered all to hell. It would take a ton of voter anger at Republicans to flip that body to the Democrats.

As for the Senate, the Democrats have made gains in three straight Class 1 elections: 2000, when Gore won the popular vote, 2006, when Dean's fifty-state strategy paid off with House and Senate majorities, and 2012, when Obama was reelected. They're defending more than twice as many seats as the Republicans, ten of which are in states Trump carried. It's difficult for me to see how they hold onto all of them, especially seats like Heitkamp's in North Dakota or Manchin's in West Virginia.

Plus the DNC just pissed off a good chunk of progressives by electing Tom Perez as DNC chair--the one candidate for that position who had no endorsements from Sanders supporters. Every other candidate had endorsements from both Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters, while Perez had only been endorsed by people on the Clinton side. How this anger manifests itself--maybe through primary challenges to people like Heitkamp and Manchin, or through a boycott at the November polls--remains to be seen.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #711 on: March 04, 2017, 11:27:37 pm »
So now the idiot is claiming Obama wiretapped Trump tower during the campaign. Most likely to deflect from this growing Russia issue. He needs to stop campaigning and try to run the country.

The US is in perpetual campaign mode--one of the downsides of fixed election dates. Plus the Republicans have a real chance of picking up a Senate supermajority in 2018.

Spoken like someone who has never lived in America.

1. Fixed elections do not mean perpetual campaigning.  First, few politicians talk election unless it is within a year or two (Potus and Senate) of reelection. Second, it shows a profound degree of spurious reasoning alongside a preference for parliamentary democracy to even suggest that.

2. The GOP will probably keep their majority in the Senate, but no way do they win a supermajority in 2018, or even 2020 for that matter. 2018 favors the GOP, but not to that degree.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #712 on: March 04, 2017, 11:43:37 pm »
And yet more typical "We need to involve Sanders Democrats" wank.

I swear the man has started a cult.
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« Reply #713 on: March 05, 2017, 07:45:17 am »
I see the GOP losing a lot of seats in the house in 2018 not enough to give it to the democrats and probably maintaining or gaining a seat in the Senate. 2020 is probably when the dems might overtake something.

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« Reply #714 on: March 05, 2017, 10:48:11 am »
And now trump with no evidence, and just on hear say is asking Congress to investigate this imaginary wire tapping of trump tower that he some how heard of or made up himself.
This just seems like him saying nuh uh you are to the whole Russian investigation.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #715 on: March 05, 2017, 10:58:50 am »
And now trump with no evidence, and just on hear say is asking Congress to investigate this imaginary wire tapping of trump tower that he some how heard of or made up himself.
This just seems like him saying nuh uh you are to the whole Russian investigation.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #716 on: March 05, 2017, 09:31:09 pm »
I see the GOP losing a lot of seats in the house in 2018 not enough to give it to the democrats and probably maintaining or gaining a seat in the Senate. 2020 is probably when the dems might overtake something.

Yeah, but for the dems to take the House in 2018, 538 reports they'd need to win the national vote by about 60-40. Fucking gerrymandering. That said, Trump is very unpopular, and midterms typically go to the minority party, so the dems should gain a few seats in the House.

The real thing to watch in 2018 and 2020 is state races, as then the dems can undo the gerrymandering that kept them out of power for 10 years
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« Reply #717 on: March 05, 2017, 09:57:43 pm »
The real thing to watch in 2018 and 2020 is state races, as then the dems can undo the gerrymandering that kept them out of power for 10 years

Art. 1, Sec. 4, Clause 1:

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The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.

That power extends even to dictating a voting age for federal elections; see Oregon v. Mitchell.

And as Justice Scalia noted in Vieth v. Jubelirer:

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It is significant that the Framers provided a remedy for such practices* in the Constitution. Article 1, §4, while leaving in state legislatures the initial power to draw districts for federal elections, permitted Congress to “make or alter” those districts if it wished.

The Dems need to overcome the federal gerrymandering, not necessarily the state gerrymandering, because Congress possesses the residual power to draw the maps. If they overcome the state gerrymandering but not the federal, the Republicans could change to maps to favour them, but if they overcome the federal gerrymandering, they can draw the maps no matter what the states want.

What I don't know is if that power over the "Manner of holding Elections" extends to voter ID requirements; if it does, they could get rid of all the voter suppression laws that have been passed in the last decade.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #718 on: March 05, 2017, 11:24:27 pm »
Whomever thought up gerrymandering should have been shot before he uttered a single word of it to anyone.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #719 on: March 06, 2017, 12:38:27 am »
Whomever thought up gerrymandering should have been shot before he uttered a single word of it to anyone.

You sure it wasn't independently discovered by multiple people?