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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2250 on: May 16, 2018, 07:15:44 pm »
While I highly applaud the Senate I don't see either the house or Trump accepting this.

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« Reply #2251 on: May 16, 2018, 07:46:21 pm »
While I highly applaud the Senate I don't see either the house or Trump accepting this.

I really hope the Dems make (or have made) this an election issue.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2252 on: May 16, 2018, 10:07:48 pm »
Which was the whole point of the CRA.

Ironbite-they know it has no chance in the House but are doing it anyway.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2254 on: May 17, 2018, 02:15:10 am »
While I highly applaud the Senate I don't see either the house or Trump accepting this.

I really hope the Dems make (or have made) this an election issue.

My states strong Democrat, my congresspeople all support NN. That's one of the good things about the politicians up here. But if I was in a swing state I'd be helping with voting out any republican siding with Ajit Pai and Trump.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2255 on: May 17, 2018, 05:57:52 pm »
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=2&vote=00101

Gina Haspel, who ran a CIA black site at which prisoners were subjected to enhanced interrogationtortured, and then destroyed the tapes of said torture to cover up what was done, and who refused to say during her confirmation hearings in committee that she thought torture was wrong, has been confirmed as CIA Director, 54-45.

Sens. Flake (R-AZ) and Paul (R-KY) voted against her confirmation. Sens. Donnelly (D-IN), Heitkamp (D-ND), Manchin (D-WV), Nelson (D-FL), Shaheen (D-NH) and Warner (D-VA) voted to confirm her. Sen. McCain (R-AZ) did not vote. The vote was otherwise along party lines, with both independent Senators voting against.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2256 on: May 17, 2018, 06:17:00 pm »
Oh Warner......why?

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2257 on: May 17, 2018, 08:36:38 pm »
Ironically, if German does issue a warrant for her arrest over war crimes, she will not even be able to visit some of the CIA blacksite torture prisons that she is tasked with overseeing.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2258 on: May 17, 2018, 09:28:21 pm »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/17/politics/mo-brooks-nasa-climate-change/index.html

I know this doesn't have to do with Trump, and more the GOP. But the lengths that congressmen will go to protect the money they receive from Oil companies astounds me to the point where they will make shit up.

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« Reply #2259 on: May 18, 2018, 02:14:31 am »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/17/politics/mo-brooks-nasa-climate-change/index.html

I know this doesn't have to do with Trump, and more the GOP. But the lengths that congressmen will go to protect the money they receive from Oil companies astounds me to the point where they will make shit up.

Amend the Constitution to overturn Buckley v. Valeo and Bellotti v. First National Bank. Wouldn't be the first time the US Constitution was amended to reverse the Supreme Court. (The 11th Amendment was added to overturn Chisholm v. Georgia.)
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« Reply #2260 on: May 18, 2018, 08:50:00 am »
That's actually the whole point of the Amendment process.  To overturn the Supreme Court decisions.  It's why the SCOTUS very rarely contradicts itself regardless of what laws are thrown at it.  Even if you throw a million anti-Roe vs. Wade laws at it, SCOTUS will refuse to even hear the cases because it doesn't contradict itself.

Ironbite-its why anti-abortion laws die so often.

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« Reply #2261 on: May 20, 2018, 05:20:19 am »
That's actually the whole point of the Amendment process.  To overturn the Supreme Court decisions.  It's why the SCOTUS very rarely contradicts itself regardless of what laws are thrown at it.  Even if you throw a million anti-Roe vs. Wade laws at it, SCOTUS will refuse to even hear the cases because it doesn't contradict itself.

Ironbite-its why anti-abortion laws die so often.

We're so very lucky anti-abortion lawmakers are as stupid as they are, otherwise they would have learned by now.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2262 on: May 20, 2018, 06:15:19 am »
That's actually the whole point of the Amendment process.  To overturn the Supreme Court decisions.  It's why the SCOTUS very rarely contradicts itself regardless of what laws are thrown at it.  Even if you throw a million anti-Roe vs. Wade laws at it, SCOTUS will refuse to even hear the cases because it doesn't contradict itself.

Ironbite-its why anti-abortion laws die so often.

I've heard the Supreme Court can contradict itself and create a new interpretation but it only does it if the interpretation is old enough. If I recall right some people were worried around the election that Roe vs Wade is getting to the age where this might be possible.

... aand with some google-fu I confirmed this. Brown vs Board of Education created a new interpretation that the "separate but equal" racial segregation doctrine is unconstitutional. This directly overturned Plessy vs Ferguson that had created the doctrine.

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« Reply #2263 on: May 20, 2018, 12:36:52 pm »
I'd have to look up the relevant cases but in the 1940s SCOTUS sometimes overturned itself within a few years or even months. For instance, they ruled that schools could compel students to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, rejecting a Free Exercise argument from a Jehovah's Witness... and a few years later reversed themselves on Free Expression grounds (which is actually stronger, because it means you don't need any sort of reason to refuse to stand for the Pledge or the anthem or salute the flag or whatever).
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2264 on: May 20, 2018, 03:10:52 pm »
I'm not gonna say that SCOTUS doesn't reverse itself on occasion but the argument has to be pretty hard.  Take for example the above example.  The original interpretation was on religious ground.  1940 was a very shaky time for religion.  Meanwhile expression was just coming into vogue and was the new sexiness so that got through.  Sadly, anti-abortion idiots keep trying the same old shit day in day out and it doesn't past the test. 

Oh so tomorrow, Trump's ordering DoJ to see if the FBI planted operatives in his campaign in order to....do Political Purposes.  So that's gonna be fun.

Ironbite-he's gone tin-pot on us.