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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2610 on: November 08, 2018, 01:12:54 am »
I find it hard to believe that Mueller doesn't have any contingency plans. There's no way in hell that he'd be blind sided by an attempt to remove him.
I've seen mentioned that the contingency is that the States will start similar investigations for some of the crimes that came up in the investigation because the president would not be able to stop those investigations even if the crimes they can charge his campaign with are not as severe.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2611 on: November 08, 2018, 07:41:50 am »
I think Mueller had already been farming out the prosecutions to other offices that aren't as easy for Trump to shut down. Still an utter disaster for rule of law if it happens, of course.


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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2612 on: November 08, 2018, 08:47:42 am »
Well, I for one believe the House will employ Mueller to finish his work.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2613 on: November 08, 2018, 09:37:40 am »
That's the thing that kills me.  If Trump fires Mueller, any committee in the House can subpoena him and there ain't a damn thing Trump can do.  He's literally banking on spinelessness and Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff have not only spines, they have iron in said spines.

Ironbite-he doesn't think long term at all.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2614 on: November 08, 2018, 10:14:10 am »
He clearly doesn't I think a lot of what he does is chaotic and spur of the moment it's probably a nightmare to work for him. He just does something and doesn't think of the consequences.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2615 on: November 08, 2018, 10:18:42 am »
One of the non-GOP supreme justice members is in a hospital. At this point the best Trump can do is come up with an unconstitutional solution to his problems and trust that the supreme court will vote along party lines.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2616 on: November 08, 2018, 10:28:49 am »
That's the thing that kills me.  If Trump fires Mueller, any committee in the House can subpoena him and there ain't a damn thing Trump can do.  He's literally banking on spinelessness and Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff have not only spines, they have iron in said spines.

Ironbite-he doesn't think long term at all.

He's a businessman, they're hardwired to not think long-term.  Momentary gains outweigh long-term stability.  Doesn't help that he's bad at business.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2617 on: November 08, 2018, 01:29:29 pm »
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2618 on: November 08, 2018, 02:15:39 pm »
Again, extreme gerrymandering, a strong economy and more democratic senate seats in red states up for grabs made it difficult for Dems to win the Senate. The fact that they took the house despite all of that is amazing, and they gained five governors.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2619 on: November 08, 2018, 02:30:09 pm »
Again, extreme gerrymandering, a strong economy and more democratic senate seats in red states up for grabs made it difficult for Dems to win the Senate. The fact that they took the house despite all of that is amazing, and they gained five governors.

I know. (I actually did a little thought experiment to redistribute the US states into ones with roughly even populations, you end up with 25 states and a geographically gigantic state in the Upper Midwest.)

But meanwhile a lot of progressive ballot initiatives passed, even in said red states where you had Donnelly, McCaskill, and Nelson losing.

EDIT: Well, I should say, Donnelly and McCaskill, despite Florida being under GOP control and having two Republican Senators the margin of victory was so narrow that it's still a swing state.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2620 on: November 08, 2018, 03:08:11 pm »
Nelson also isn't conceeding and is demanding a recount so that seat might remain democrat.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2621 on: November 08, 2018, 03:19:10 pm »
Stacey Abrams is also refusing to concede and considering all of the bullshit Republicans have been trying to pull in Georgia, might actually have a chance if they actually count the provisional ballots (granted, my hopes are low, Republicans cheated HARD in Georgia).
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2622 on: November 08, 2018, 03:49:12 pm »
I think Georgia also does its races the same way Louisiana does, so if even after a recount neither Sec. Kemp nor state Rep. Abrams has an outright majority there will be a runoff.

And I think there's not a final count in Arizona yet either, so that seat could still flip.

Still, it means the federal courts will continue to be remade and all those young conservative ideologues will be able to block anything the Democrats might pass if they regain full control.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2623 on: November 08, 2018, 09:43:11 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/populist-momentum-1.4895803

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It is difficult, if not impossible, to unring the bell of populism once it has taken hold.

This week's U.S. midterm election results, in which Democrats regained control of the House but were dealt a stiff setback in the Senate, proved less a blue wave than a light misting; hardly the wholesale repudiation of President Donald Trump that some had hoped for. Despite a respectable House win, it appears voters were not clamouring for a return to "business as usual" governance.

Something tells me even if the Democrats take the Senate and even more of the House, if they didn't do so with a platform made by Bernie or the Democratic Socialists or the "real left" instead of the "Center Right" the Democrats allegedly are, you'd still complain.

Just face it - you are deeply associated with Messianic Politics.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2624 on: November 08, 2018, 10:20:47 pm »
Something tells me even if the Democrats take the Senate and even more of the House, if they didn't do so with a platform made by Bernie or the Democratic Socialists or the "real left" instead of the "Center Right" the Democrats allegedly are, you'd still complain.
Ideally, yes. Not accepting corrupt politicians is very much a good thing. After all, the big ol' D next to their name is rather meaningless if they still take lobbyist money in exchange for doing their bidding. The end result won't be much different than if the Republicans are in charge. You need folks who refuse corporate money to win, because they're the only ones who'll actually do all of those lovely reforms like universal healthcare and higher education, living wage and most ideally, campaign reform instead of just making empty promises.