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Offline Jacob Harrison

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I am a big Star Wars nerd and fan of the original films. I still watch the prequels and the new films made by Disney and partially enjoy them but dislike the liberalism and cheesiness in them and that Disney cares more about cash than good storytelling. That and the fact that George Lucas tinkered with the original trilogy films releasing unnecessary revised editions in 1997, 2004, and 2011. The fact that the 2011 Blue Ray Versions of the original trilogy are very different from the original versions, means that there are two parralel Star Wars Universes. And I will explain why the Alpha Star Wars Universe is far superior to the Beta Disney one.

1. The Alpha Star Wars Universe made the Jedi better

In the Alpha Star Wars Universe, the Jedi Order seemed like a much more noble religious order that defended the Old Republic. The Prequels made the Jedi a fucked up cult that took children from their parents, and forbidden having normal attachment to loved ones such as Anakin having normal attachment and fears about his mother as well as later his wife. No wonder Anakin became Darth Vader.

The Prequels also made the Jedi extremely dumb and incompetent because they did not even pursue or investigate who the Sith Master is before it was too late.

And in the sequel trilogy, Luke Skywalker despite overthrowing the Empire, failed his own nephew Ben who along with other students in his New Jedi Order, murdered all the other new  Jedi except for Luke. The Jedi failed again!

2. The Sequels kind of ruin the original trilogy.

The theme in the Original Trilogy was that the Galactic Empire was overthrown, the Jedi returned and lasting peace was brought to the galaxy. The sequels make it so that the Empire has a successor called the First Order which builds a new planet destroying space station that destroys the New Republic, and takes over the Galaxy. So lasting peace was not brought to the galaxy.

3. The Alpha Star Wars Universe promoted more traditional values.

In the Alpha Star Wars Universe, there was more of a moral growth in the characters. In the original version of Star Wars, Han Solo shot first not Greedo, showing that he originated as a smuggling ganster thug who started to change by the end of A New Hope when he helped join in the Battle of Yavin and that he changed his thuggish ways by the end of Return of the Jedi and fully fell in love with Leia and would settle down raise a family with her.

However the sequels make it so that he and Leia only had 1 child, made him a lousy dad who later left Leia and had him still be involved in criminal activity and get murdered by his own son that he neglected to raise well.

4. The prequels were way too pornographic.

Yes the original trilogy showed Princess Leia in that slave outfit but that was to illustrate that Janna the Hutt is a sexual predator. However the prequels showed unnecessary pornographic scenes with Padme and Anakin while they were in a friend zone relationship.

5. The Modern Canon made Darth Vader and the Galactic Empire way to evil.

In Revenge of the Sith, they had Anakin Skywalker murder Jedi children, which is an act so evil that it is irredeemable, making Anakin’s redemption in Return of the Jedi not real redemption.

In the Alpha Star Wars Universe, they did not make Vader and the Empire THAT brutal. In the Original Films they were mainly foccused on crushing the rebels. In fact when my dad watched the films in the theaters, he actually considered the Imperials to be the good guys bringing Law and Order to the Galaxy. He considered the Rebels to be terrorists like the Viet Cong that my grandfather fought against in the Vietnam War and the  Jedi to be bizarre New agers for believing in repressing the natural emotions for Fear,  Anger, and Hate while he considered the Dark Side of the Force to be more natural, and compared Emperor Palpatine to benevolent Emperors such as Ceasar Augustus, Constantine, Justinian, Charlemagne etc.
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You just had to be a toxic Star Wars fanboi didn't you?

Feeeemale Jedi? Childhood rooned! Let me guess, you're a Gamergater and a Sad Puppy too?

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You just had to be a toxic Star Wars fanboi didn't you?

Feeeemale Jedi? Childhood rooned! Let me guess, you're a Gamergater and a Sad Puppy too?

A lot of this was stupid, but he didn't say anything about female Jedi. Let's not strawman him.

Besides, there have been female Jedi for years, decades even. We can't brush off all criticism of Disney's Star Wars as sexism. Yeah, some of its haters are sexist, but not all of them, or even a majority of them.

That being said, there are a lot of problems with what Jacob had to say. The weird "pornographic" comments alone are facepalm-worthy.
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You just had to be a toxic Star Wars fanboi didn't you?

Feeeemale Jedi? Childhood rooned! Let me guess, you're a Gamergater and a Sad Puppy too?

A lot of this was stupid, but he didn't say anything about female Jedi. Let's not strawman him.

Besides, there have been female Jedi for years, decades even. We can't brush off all criticism of Disney's Star Wars as sexism. Yeah, some of its haters are sexist, but not all of them, or even a majority of them.

That being said, there are a lot of problems with what Jacob had to say. The weird "pornographic" comments alone are facepalm-worthy.
True, he hasn't said anything about female Jedi-yet. That said, strawmanning is a debating term. I'm not debating this guy, I'm mocking him.

Yo Jacob, direct question. Do you approve of female Jedi in the new SW films The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi? What about the other female action characters in Rouge One and Solo?

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You just had to be a toxic Star Wars fanboi didn't you?

Feeeemale Jedi? Childhood rooned! Let me guess, you're a Gamergater and a Sad Puppy too?

A lot of this was stupid, but he didn't say anything about female Jedi. Let's not strawman him.

Besides, there have been female Jedi for years, decades even. We can't brush off all criticism of Disney's Star Wars as sexism. Yeah, some of its haters are sexist, but not all of them, or even a majority of them.

That being said, there are a lot of problems with what Jacob had to say. The weird "pornographic" comments alone are facepalm-worthy.

That is because I forgot to type what I was going to say about that.
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You just had to be a toxic Star Wars fanboi didn't you?

Feeeemale Jedi? Childhood rooned! Let me guess, you're a Gamergater and a Sad Puppy too?

A lot of this was stupid, but he didn't say anything about female Jedi. Let's not strawman him.

Besides, there have been female Jedi for years, decades even. We can't brush off all criticism of Disney's Star Wars as sexism. Yeah, some of its haters are sexist, but not all of them, or even a majority of them.

That being said, there are a lot of problems with what Jacob had to say. The weird "pornographic" comments alone are facepalm-worthy.
True, he hasn't said anything about female Jedi-yet. That said, strawmanning is a debating term. I'm not debating this guy, I'm mocking him.

Yo Jacob, direct question. Do you approve of female Jedi in the new SW films The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi? What about the other female action characters in Rouge One and Solo?

I approve of female Jedi and female action characters. What I disapprove of is the misogyny and mysandry in The Last Jedi. It was mysogynist because it portrayed Rey as being overly compassionate for the bad guy Kylo Ren, made Rose stupidly stop Finn from sacrificing himself destroying the battering ram cannon because of her love for him. It was mysandrist because it portrayed Poe Dameron as the irresponsible guy who blows things up and Leia and Admiral Holdo as being the rational people who need to reprimand him.
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Now I finished typing what I was going to say about the prequels being pornographic.

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Two generally sympathetic characters make bad calls and it's an indictment on two entire genders!

What?

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Two generally sympathetic characters make bad calls and it's an indictment on two entire genders!

What?

Rose’s decision was not just a bad call, she deliberately prevented Finn from doing a self sacrifice to save the resistance. It portrays women as having their emotions for others get in the way of doing what is practical. Poe Dameron likewise did not just make bad calls. He  tried seizing control over Admiral Holdo’s authority. It portrays men as being irresponsible disobedient rebellious renegades. He should have been reprimanded by BOTH women and men in command.

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Yeah, I have some problems with the Sequel Trilogy in general and TLJ in particular, but you're just being ridiculous. Let me just address the obvious stupidity first.

-Why are you conflating the prequels and the special editions with Disney's take on the franchise? And what's with the stuff about "Alpha" and "Beta" universes?
-How was Leia's slave outfit "pornographic"? It's not like she had a wardrobe malfunction. For that matter, what about the prequels? Honestly, you sound like a Victorian. And I don't think you know what "friend zone" means.
-Like Tol said, I think you're blowing things way out of proportion in regards to the supposed sexism.
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Yeah, I have some problems with the Sequel Trilogy in general and TLJ in particular, but you're just being ridiculous. Let me just address the obvious stupidity first.

-Why are you conflating the prequels and the special editions with Disney's take on the franchise? And what's with the stuff about "Alpha" and "Beta" universes?
-How was Leia's slave outfit "pornographic"? It's not like she had a wardrobe malfunction. For that matter, what about the prequels? Honestly, you sound like a Victorian. And I don't think you know what "friend zone" means.
-Like Tol said, I think you're blowing things way out of proportion in regards to the supposed sexism.

-Because they are all part of the current Cannon. I call it the Beta Canon because it is not the original canon from the 1980s.
-That was a typo. That scene was not pornographic. Attack of the Clones was because it showed exessive unnecessary irrelevant scenes of Padme dressing overly sexual, Anakin being a creep, and them frolicking.

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Ok: Troll mode OFF. Debate mode ON.

But if you give me an inadvertant attack of the giggles by being ridiculous all bets are off!

Both men and women tend to view those they care about with rose coloured glasses, which can disguise those pesky red flags. That's not a "woman" problem it's a "human" problem.

Also, both men and women can act impulsively and irrationally in life or death situations. Again, that's a human problem.

The majority of women and men in that movie don't make the same mistakes. It's two quirks from two different people who have character flaws, which keeps them interesting IMO.

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Ok: Troll mode OFF. Debate mode ON.

But if you give me an inadvertant attack of the giggles by being ridiculous all bets are off!

Both men and women tend to view those they care about with rose coloured glasses, which can disguise those pesky red flags. That's not a "woman" problem it's a "human" problem.

Also, both men and women can act impulsively and irrationally in life or death situations. Again, that's a human problem.

The majority of women and men in that movie don't make the same mistakes. It's two quirks from two different people who have character flaws, which keeps them interesting IMO.

Fair point on the Rose and Finn Scene. However in the Poe scene, women were over represented  the amount of people that reprimanded Poe Dameron. Why couldn’t there be a man commander along with Leia who reprimanded him?