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Offline Jacob Harrison

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Ok, fair enough. Why would have hearing that from a male officer have made a difference in Poes case?

Because he not reprimanded only by women, not by women and men.
So? He's reprimanded by superior officers for disobeying orders that ultimately led to the loss of lives and essential materials. What difference does the gender of the officers make?

It was done intentionally to portray a message that women are more responsible, calculated, and cautious.
In the original trilogy Princess Leia was more responsible, calculated and cautious than either Luke or Han. Is that "misandrist" too?

No because Han was a smuggler not a trained rebel fighter, and Luke was just beginning to experience the greater galaxy. Leia had more experience being trained by her father and the Rebels in how to defend herself.

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Did...

Did you just try to whitewash the destruction of Alderaan as Hard Men Making Hard DecisionsTM? You are one sick little puppy, you know that?

And you're acting a lot like an SJW right now. But then again, you have so little self-awareness you're probably invisible to Zen Buddhists, so it's not surprising you haven't noticed the irony.

Think of it as similar to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 

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Uh Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities - this is blowing up a whole planet. I guess your ugliness goes inside as well as outside, piggy.
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Uh Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities - this is blowing up a whole planet. I guess your ugliness goes inside as well as outside, piggy.

But when putting it to scale, it was a Galactic Wide war that cost trillions of lives, so on the scale of a galaxy, a planet is like a city.

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Why didn't the empire just use the death star on an uninhabited planet first, thus demonstrating what their weapon could do without and frightening everyone into obedience without killing billions of people?

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And why didn't they demand the Rebel Alliance surrender before killing millions of people?
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Why didn't the empire just use the death star on an uninhabited planet first, thus demonstrating what their weapon could do without and frightening everyone into obedience without killing billions of people?

Well the Empire did not know where the stolen Death Star plans were and were aware of the possibility that the Rebels might of had access to them, so knowing that they were not invulnerable, they couldn’t just freighten the Rebel alliance into surrendering just yet, they still had to focus on military targets. 

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Think of it as similar to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

One problem with your comparison. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were done as a last ditch effort to shock the Japanese into surrender so that the United States wouldn't have to fight a costly island war with millions of potential casualties - as well as to make sure the war finished before Russia moved in in force and started annexing things (like Hokkaido). Multiple offers of surrender were sent and even the people who ordered the attacks were mentally scarred by them. They were horrified at what they had done, but they felt it necessary.

In contrast, the Empire fired the Death Star on Alderaan just... to test it. It wasn't their Hiroshima, it was their Manhattan Project. It was hardly a last-ditch effort to do anything, especially since Alderaan wasn't particularly threatening the Galactic Empire. The people who ordered the attack weren't even affected, because, let's be honest, they're cartoon villains. The destruction of Alderaan was hardly necessary to anything, they just did it because they could and because they didn't care about sentient life. The fact that you empathize with the cartoon villains and not with the Rebel Alliance says quite a lot about you, to be honest.
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Think of it as similar to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

One problem with your comparison. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were done as a last ditch effort to shock the Japanese into surrender so that the United States wouldn't have to fight a costly island war with millions of potential casualties - as well as to make sure the war finished before Russia moved in in force and started annexing things (like Hokkaido). Multiple offers of surrender were sent and even the people who ordered the attacks were mentally scarred by them. They were horrified at what they had done, but they felt it necessary.

In contrast, the Empire fired the Death Star on Alderaan just... to test it. It wasn't their Hiroshima, it was their Manhattan Project. It was hardly a last-ditch effort to do anything, especially since Alderaan wasn't particularly threatening the Galactic Empire. The people who ordered the attack weren't even affected, because, let's be honest, they're cartoon villains. The destruction of Alderaan was hardly necessary to anything, they just did it because they could and because they didn't care about sentient life. The fact that you empathize with the cartoon villains and not with the Rebel Alliance says quite a lot about you, to be honest.

I explained in the above comment why it was a last ditch effort for the Empire.

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Ok, fair enough. Why would have hearing that from a male officer have made a difference in Poes case?

Because he not reprimanded only by women, not by women and men.
So? He's reprimanded by superior officers for disobeying orders that ultimately led to the loss of lives and essential materials. What difference does the gender of the officers make?

It was done intentionally to portray a message that women are more responsible, calculated, and cautious.
In the original trilogy Princess Leia was more responsible, calculated and cautious than either Luke or Han. Is that "misandrist" too?

No because Han was a smuggler not a trained rebel fighter, and Luke was just beginning to experience the greater galaxy. Leia had more experience being trained by her father and the Rebels in how to defend herself.
Uh that's one movie out of a trilogy.

Also this is getting real specific in a really weird way. If you're a long standing, male member (sorry) of the Rebel Alliance then it's misandrist for more than one woman at one time to tell you that you're being a dumbass even if you totally are?

But wide-eyed hayseeds and petty crims can be told they're dumbasses by the lady rebels all the time even when they do downright heroic shit. No problemo.

Your reasoning is...unclear.

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Ok, fair enough. Why would have hearing that from a male officer have made a difference in Poes case?

Because he not reprimanded only by women, not by women and men.
So? He's reprimanded by superior officers for disobeying orders that ultimately led to the loss of lives and essential materials. What difference does the gender of the officers make?

It was done intentionally to portray a message that women are more responsible, calculated, and cautious.
In the original trilogy Princess Leia was more responsible, calculated and cautious than either Luke or Han. Is that "misandrist" too?

No because Han was a smuggler not a trained rebel fighter, and Luke was just beginning to experience the greater galaxy. Leia had more experience being trained by her father and the Rebels in how to defend herself.
Uh that's one movie out of a trilogy.

Also this is getting real specific in a really weird way. If you're a long standing, male member (sorry) of the Rebel Alliance then it's misandrist for more than one woman at one time to tell you that you're being a dumbass even if you totally are?

But wide-eyed hayseeds and petty crims can be told they're dumbasses by the lady rebels all the time even when they do downright heroic shit. No problemo.

Your reasoning is...unclear.

Yes, because in the former there wasn’t gender diversity in the command. Why couldn’t it have been Leia and Admiral Ackbar being the ones reprimanding them instead of Leia and Holdo?

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Why should it? The guy just did something which could get you summarily executed in other militaries and guerilla organisations and you want to get a male officer on board just to salve the irresponsible parties ego? He screwed up, he doesn't get to choose the bloody gender of the people who have to call him to account for it!

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Why should it? The guy just did something which could get you summarily executed in other militaries and guerilla organisations and you want to get a male officer on board just to salve the irresponsible parties ego? He screwed up, he doesn't get to choose the bloody gender of the people who have to call him to account for it!

It wouldn’t save his ego. Being reprimanded by men would have an equal effect. What matters is the message the movie is portraying.

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What? That women can and do call stupid moves out when they're done by guys with no "reverence" for their "role"?

Good! The fewer traditionalist norms and such that exist the better.
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