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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2018, 01:53:28 am »
Hahaha, of course you see this the same way as Roseanne. Nevermind that this is the result of fucking Mike Cernovich.

How is this different? ELI5.

James Gunn posted these tweets a decade ago, had them dragged out six years ago by left wingers where he apologized and explained what they were. He hasn't acted in such a manner as far as anyone's aware in a fucking DECADE. And even if we only count since the Tweets were dragged out the first time, it'd still be six years.

Roseanne was spouting racist shit THIS YEAR. She is still a racist piece of shit TODAY.

And that's not getting into the hypocrisy and motivations of fucking Mike Cernovich and how Disney firing Gunn was bending to the whim of a FUCKING NEO-NAZI.
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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2018, 02:48:16 am »
How can you fail to see the connection?

You complained that "the other side" is being hypocritical and "not playing by the same rules they set for others" and I pointed out that yes, the "other side" does actually play by the same rules rather than pulling their punches when some of their "own side" do shitty stuff.
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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2018, 02:56:10 am »
What did James Gunn say in the old tweets anyway?

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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2018, 03:07:10 am »
He made jokes about rape and pedophilia (including one that was something along the lines of "click here for underage porn" that was a Rick Roll). They were tasteless and disgusting (albeit, in character for his work at the time from what I understand), but they were also something that was addressed six years ago.
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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2018, 03:16:22 am »
Ok so not racism.

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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2018, 08:24:57 am »
Gunn's jokes were in the style of: You know what's the best part about being raped? Once you're done being raped you realize that not being raped is really great!

Bad taste, offensive jokes on the style of Aristocrats but nothing that would make him appear to approve of pedophilia like Cernovich claims.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-cernovich-james-gunn-fired_us_5b5265cce4b0fd5c73c570ac More about Cernovich and his tactics.
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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2018, 11:13:17 am »
Hahaha, of course you see this the same way as Roseanne. Nevermind that this is the result of fucking Mike Cernovich.

How is this different? ELI5.

James Gunn posted these tweets a decade ago, had them dragged out six years ago by left wingers where he apologized and explained what they were. He hasn't acted in such a manner as far as anyone's aware in a fucking DECADE. And even if we only count since the Tweets were dragged out the first time, it'd still be six years.

Roseanne was spouting racist shit THIS YEAR. She is still a racist piece of shit TODAY.

And that's not getting into the hypocrisy and motivations of fucking Mike Cernovich and how Disney firing Gunn was bending to the whim of a FUCKING NEO-NAZI.

On the other hand, Roseanne only made one such tweet. Gunn made many.

No offense, but you think being skeptical of the idea of white privilege is enough to make somebody alt-right. I don't know much about Cernovich, aside from the fact that he works for InfoWars, but

How can you fail to see the connection?

You complained that "the other side" is being hypocritical and "not playing by the same rules they set for others" and I pointed out that yes, the "other side" does actually play by the same rules rather than pulling their punches when some of their "own side" do shitty stuff.

I'm talking about in terms of online outrage, not sexual misconduct. Watch this video:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmELazDBYCc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmELazDBYCc</a>

There are a few stances Mr. Pool takes in this video that I disagree with (such as him claiming that James Gunn is the only one to blame for his firing, and his claims about some of Patton Oswalt's jokes), but for the most part, I think he's right on the money. Is Mike Cernovich acting in bad faith? Is he just doing this for political reasons? I wouldn't be surprised if he was. But this is no different from the many incidents where the hard-left outrage machine dug up old Internet posts made by a public figure and used them to ruin his or her life. If you condemn this -- which you have every right to -- then IMHO it would be hypocritical not to condemn similar things being done by the hard-left.
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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2018, 03:08:16 pm »
On the other hand, Roseanne only made one such tweet. Gunn made many.

No offense, but you think being skeptical of the idea of white privilege is enough to make somebody alt-right. I don't know much about Cernovich, aside from the fact that he works for InfoWars, but

The fact that Cernovich works for Infowars should be a red flag right there. He's a fucking Neo-NAZI. And you want proof that he was acting in bad faith? Here are some WORD FOR WORD QUOTES:

"The only rape culture is Muslim rape culture. #TheTriggering"

"I bet you've never met someone who was man enough to give you what you actually desire." She says yes = rape fantasy on 1st date.

This is how to screen for girls with rape fantasies/really rough sex.

Since prison rape is no big deal (after all, criminals deserved to be raped), why don't we have co-ed prisons?

Do a Google image search for "lions mating." That's basically rape and it's also the natural form of sex.

Now, you're probably thinking that some of these Tweets are old, but that misses the point. Gunn dealt with this shit when it was drudged up the first time in 2012 and has not done anything along these lines since. As you can see, Cernovich has been saying this kind of shit, joking or otherwise, as recently as 2016. Not to mention things like, oh, I don't know, trying to end Chuck Schumer's career by falsely accusing him of sexual harassment in December of 2017.

But, sure, please tell me more about how you can't tell that someone like Mike Cernovich isn't acting in good faith. Fuck off.
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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2018, 03:32:14 pm »
On the other hand, Roseanne only made one such tweet. Gunn made many.

No offense, but you think being skeptical of the idea of white privilege is enough to make somebody alt-right. I don't know much about Cernovich, aside from the fact that he works for InfoWars, but

The fact that Cernovich works for Infowars should be a red flag right there. He's a fucking Neo-NAZI. And you want proof that he was acting in bad faith? Here are some WORD FOR WORD QUOTES:

"The only rape culture is Muslim rape culture. #TheTriggering"

"I bet you've never met someone who was man enough to give you what you actually desire." She says yes = rape fantasy on 1st date.

This is how to screen for girls with rape fantasies/really rough sex.

Since prison rape is no big deal (after all, criminals deserved to be raped), why don't we have co-ed prisons?

Do a Google image search for "lions mating." That's basically rape and it's also the natural form of sex.

Now, you're probably thinking that some of these Tweets are old, but that misses the point. Gunn dealt with this shit when it was drudged up the first time in 2012 and has since not done anything along these lines since. As you can see, Cernovich has been saying this kind of shit, joking or otherwise, as recently as 2016. Not to mention things like, oh, I don't know, trying to end Chuck Schumer's career by falsely accusing him of sexual harassment in December of 2017.

But, sure, please tell me more about how you can't tell that someone like Mike Cernovich isn't acting in good faith. Fuck off.

Chill out.

And no, "he works for InfoWars" isn't enough to convince me he's a Neo-Nazi. I need more than that.
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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2018, 04:16:16 pm »
God you're a dumb nazi fucker.

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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2018, 04:52:06 pm »
I notice with some amusement that Lana us using a classic troll tactic here, she's seamlessly morphed from someone who's presented something that others find contentious to the final arbiter of right and wrong. The phrase "you're going to need more to convince me" keeps coming up as if truth needs her stamp of approval or it just won't fly.

Truth =/= What Convinces Lana. Just sayin'.

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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2018, 04:58:35 pm »
Well speaking for myself I am against people on the left digging up something someone said a decade ago when they have already apologized and it clearly no longer reflects them.  People do change over time after all.  I can't think of any recent examples of the left getting somebody fired over something like this of the top of my head though.

Also I looked Cernovich up and he was one of the advocates of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.  So even if he isn't a nazi exactly he's a liar who nearly got people killed.  Oh and he clearly calls himself alt-right


So why are you not convinced they guy who calls himself alt-right and talks about white genocide is an alt-right nazi?

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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2018, 04:59:04 pm »
I notice with some amusement that Lana us using a classic troll tactic here, she's seamlessly morphed from someone who's presented something that others find contentious to the final arbiter of right and wrong. The phrase "you're going to need more to convince me" keeps coming up as if truth needs her stamp of approval or it just won't fly.

Truth =/= What Convinces Lana. Just sayin'.

Which is an eerily familiar trait from a certain other alt-right water carrier we've had in the past.....
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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2018, 05:13:45 pm »
Chill out.

Remember how much effort UP used to invest into his attempts to push the Overton window to the right under the guise of "centrist" or "apolitical" causes? Yeah, I almost miss those times. Almost.

Barr was already known for tweeting a lot of crazy shit before she was hired for the reboot, what got her fired was just a relapse. Cernovich is not just "skeptical" of leftist pet causes, he's a conspiracy theorist who believes in white genocide and insisting on the "neo-Nazi" part is nothing more than a giant red herring. Online outrage about sexual misconduct is absolutely relevant to the tangent about "leftist hypocrisy". No actual example is provided for the whataboutism about the "hard-left outrage machine", which prevents anyone from actually addressing it even if they wanted to. Also, the underlying assumption that this behavior is reserved to "political extremes"? Typical centrist nonsense, their pwecious golden mean is far from being exempt from this kind of scum.

It's like they stopped even trying to pretend that they have a point.
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Re: James Gunn Fired for Offensive Tweets
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2018, 06:10:04 pm »
I notice with some amusement that Lana us using a classic troll tactic here, she's seamlessly morphed from someone who's presented something that others find contentious to the final arbiter of right and wrong. The phrase "you're going to need more to convince me" keeps coming up as if truth needs her stamp of approval or it just won't fly.

Truth =/= What Convinces Lana. Just sayin'.

I was asking for more evidence than being affiliated with conspiracy theorists.


Like this. See, Skybison gets it.

So why are you not convinced they guy who calls himself alt-right and talks about white genocide is an alt-right nazi?

Because I didn't know. I do now. Now I believe he's alt-right.

Chill out.

Remember how much effort UP used to invest into his attempts to push the Overton window to the right under the guise of "centrist" or "apolitical" causes? Yeah, I almost miss those times. Almost.

Barr was already known for tweeting a lot of crazy shit before she was hired for the reboot, what got her fired was just a relapse. Cernovich is not just "skeptical" of leftist pet causes, he's a conspiracy theorist who believes in white genocide and insisting on the "neo-Nazi" part is nothing more than a giant red herring. Online outrage about sexual misconduct is absolutely relevant to the tangent about "leftist hypocrisy". No actual example is provided for the whataboutism about the "hard-left outrage machine", which prevents anyone from actually addressing it even if they wanted to. Also, the underlying assumption that this behavior is reserved to "political extremes"? Typical centrist nonsense, their pwecious golden mean is far from being exempt from this kind of scum.

It's like they stopped even trying to pretend that they have a point.

You want examples? Justine Sacco. Michael Rectenwald. Bret Weinstein. All of these people had their lives negatively impacted by hard left outrage mobs.

And if you think centrists are not immune to this behavior, show me. I'd be happy to see examples.
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