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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2018, 10:14:15 am »
Man your second cousin's ass must be amazing.

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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2018, 05:07:40 pm »
Okay let me get this straight, a girl suffering from mental illness is fucking starved to death by idiots after being tortured for months in some idiot's superstitious ritual, and somehow that proves said superstition is true?  If it was true why didn't the girl survive?

Seriously go fuck yourself.
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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2018, 05:56:25 pm »
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evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

Not a single post of Jacob Harrison's with the word "proof" in it meets this criteria. Not one.

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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2018, 06:17:44 pm »
Okay let me get this straight, a girl suffering from mental illness is fucking starved to death by idiots after being tortured for months in some idiot's superstitious ritual, and somehow that proves said superstition is true?  If it was true why didn't the girl survive?

Seriously go fuck yourself.

I know they should have given her mental health treatment while perfroming the exorcisms at the same time and giving her adequate nutrition. But if you her the recording she sounds possessed. But that was not the only clip in the video. Other footage of exorcisms are shown.
Gifts such as modern science, free-market economics, art, music, and the idea of human rights come from the Catholic Church, explains Woods. No institution has done more to shape Western civilization than the two-thousand-year-old Catholic Church

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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2018, 06:19:47 pm »
Or, they could have gotten her mental health treatment and adequate nutrition and not bothered with the exorcisms.

Whoever did that should be charged with murder.
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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2018, 06:45:26 pm »
^They were.  But the sentence was fairly light, the parents didn't face jail time because they had "suffered enough" while the priests paid a fine meaning they are free to kill again.

Okay let me get this straight, a girl suffering from mental illness is fucking starved to death by idiots after being tortured for months in some idiot's superstitious ritual, and somehow that proves said superstition is true?  If it was true why didn't the girl survive?

Seriously go fuck yourself.

I know they should have given her mental health treatment while perfroming the exorcisms at the same time and giving her adequate nutrition. But if you her the recording she sounds possessed. But that was not the only clip in the video. Other footage of exorcisms are shown.

No she does not sound possessed.  She sounds like a girl with a mental illness being murdered by idiots like you.  As for the other footage that's just video of another mental ill woman getting assaulted and a shot of some people standing around in a room through a keyhole.  How that proves anything I have no idea.
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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2018, 06:54:43 pm »
^They were.  But the sentence was fairly light, the parents didn't face jail time because they had "suffered enough" while the priests paid a fine meaning they are free to kill again.

Yeah, that's called a travesty of justice.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2018, 06:59:30 pm »
PROOF THAT BUDDHISM IS TRUE

In Myanmar last year a Buddhist was sentenced to death for the murder of three children while trying to perform exorcism on them by beating and kicking the three year old, two year old and eight month old.  https://nationalpost.com/news/world/myanmar-exorcist-sentenced-to-death-for-killing-three-children-during-ritual

Now you may be wondering how that proves Buddhism is true, and I honestly have no idea.  But Jacob says that performing exorcism proves Catholicism is true even in cases where the victim is killed, so this should prove that Buddhism must be true too.
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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2018, 07:27:14 pm »
^They were.  But the sentence was fairly light, the parents didn't face jail time because they had "suffered enough" while the priests paid a fine meaning they are free to kill again.

Okay let me get this straight, a girl suffering from mental illness is fucking starved to death by idiots after being tortured for months in some idiot's superstitious ritual, and somehow that proves said superstition is true?  If it was true why didn't the girl survive?

Seriously go fuck yourself.

I know they should have given her mental health treatment while perfroming the exorcisms at the same time and giving her adequate nutrition. But if you her the recording she sounds possessed. But that was not the only clip in the video. Other footage of exorcisms are shown.

No she does not sound possessed.  She sounds like a girl with a mental illness being murdered by idiots like you.  As for the other footage that's just video of another mental ill woman getting assaulted and a shot of some people standing around in a room through a keyhole.  How that proves anything I have no idea.

Well according to wikipedia this is what she said. This sounds like something a possessed person would say.

In a letter to Alt in 1975, Michel wrote, "I am nothing; everything about me is vanity. What should I do? I have to improve. You pray for me" and also once told him, "I want to suffer for other people...but this is so cruel".[10] In September of the same year, Bishop Josef Stangl granted the priest Arnold Renz permission to exorcise according to the Rituale Romanum of 1614, but ordered total secrecy.[16][note 1] Renz performed the first session on 24 September. Michel began talking increasingly about "dying to atone for the wayward youth of the day and the apostate priests of the modern church", and she refused to eat towards the end.

In the second one, notice how the women calms down indicating that an exorcism has been performed and the demon was driven out.
Gifts such as modern science, free-market economics, art, music, and the idea of human rights come from the Catholic Church, explains Woods. No institution has done more to shape Western civilization than the two-thousand-year-old Catholic Church

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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2018, 07:48:40 pm »
Oh, meanwhile...

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Gifts such as modern science, free-market economics, art, music, and the idea of human rights come from the Catholic Church

Modern science: Really? The Catholic Church fought against science at every turn until it was dragged, kicking and screaming, into accepting the findings of science.

Free-market economics: Oh, hello, Tenth Commandment.

Art and music: I will grant this one, except that we have to remember it in the context of the cultural hegemony the Church enjoyed in Europe.

Human rights: http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Free and equal in dignity? Not if you're a woman.

Everyone is entitled to rights? Not if you belong to the wrong religion.

Right to life, liberty, and security of the person? Not if you question Church doctrine.

Slavery? The Catholic Church effectively practices slavery today, when you consider the treatment of nuns.

Torture? Not if you run afoul of the Inquisition.

Recognition everywhere as a person? Not if you're a woman.

Equal before the law? Not if you're an apostate.

Remedy for violating rights? What rights?

Arbitrary arrest? Again, the Inquisition.

Fair and public hearing by an impartial tribunal? Not if you question the Church.

Innocent until proven guilty? Since when?

Privacy? Not if you want to control your own body and you're a woman.

Freedom of movement? I mean, I guess, technically, maybe, but they backed a social order that effectively denied this right to serfs.

Asylum? Not when the hand of the Church reaches everywhere.

I'll confess to not knowing about the denying a nationality point.

Marriage with consent and equal rights? Nope, the woman is subject to the man.

Property? Give us your tithe!

Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion? The Bible contains thoughtcrimes.

Freedom of opinion and expression? Not if it's an opinion contrary to the Church.

Peaceful assembly? Not if it's to protest the Church.

Compulsion to belong to an association? You must join the Church!

Choosing representatives? Do what your priest tells you.

Social security? No, you're going to break your back working for your feudal master and get crumbs for it.

Right to work and free choice of employment? WORK, SERF!

Rest and leisure? WORK, SERF! (Or go to Church if it's a Sunday.)

Standard of living? WORK, SERF!

Education? No, you get brainwashed with Church doctrine.

Culture? Only if it's Church-approved.

Fully realizing these rights and freedoms? Ha ha, we hate these rights and freedoms!

Duties to the community? No, you have duties to your betters and they can work you to death.

And we act to destroy these rights and freedoms all the damn time.

Fuck off.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

Quote from: Supreme Court of Canada
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2018, 08:10:00 pm »
Oh, meanwhile...

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Gifts such as modern science, free-market economics, art, music, and the idea of human rights come from the Catholic Church

Modern science: Really? The Catholic Church fought against science at every turn until it was dragged, kicking and screaming, into accepting the findings of science.

Free-market economics: Oh, hello, Tenth Commandment.

Art and music: I will grant this one, except that we have to remember it in the context of the cultural hegemony the Church enjoyed in Europe.

Human rights: http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Free and equal in dignity? Not if you're a woman.

Everyone is entitled to rights? Not if you belong to the wrong religion.

Right to life, liberty, and security of the person? Not if you question Church doctrine.

Slavery? The Catholic Church effectively practices slavery today, when you consider the treatment of nuns.

Torture? Not if you run afoul of the Inquisition.

Recognition everywhere as a person? Not if you're a woman.

Equal before the law? Not if you're an apostate.

Remedy for violating rights? What rights?

Arbitrary arrest? Again, the Inquisition.

Fair and public hearing by an impartial tribunal? Not if you question the Church.

Innocent until proven guilty? Since when?

Privacy? Not if you want to control your own body and you're a woman.

Freedom of movement? I mean, I guess, technically, maybe, but they backed a social order that effectively denied this right to serfs.

Asylum? Not when the hand of the Church reaches everywhere.

I'll confess to not knowing about the denying a nationality point.

Marriage with consent and equal rights? Nope, the woman is subject to the man.

Property? Give us your tithe!

Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion? The Bible contains thoughtcrimes.

Freedom of opinion and expression? Not if it's an opinion contrary to the Church.

Peaceful assembly? Not if it's to protest the Church.

Compulsion to belong to an association? You must join the Church!

Choosing representatives? Do what your priest tells you.

Social security? No, you're going to break your back working for your feudal master and get crumbs for it.

Right to work and free choice of employment? WORK, SERF!

Rest and leisure? WORK, SERF! (Or go to Church if it's a Sunday.)

Standard of living? WORK, SERF!

Education? No, you get brainwashed with Church doctrine.

Culture? Only if it's Church-approved.

Fully realizing these rights and freedoms? Ha ha, we hate these rights and freedoms!

Duties to the community? No, you have duties to your betters and they can work you to death.

And we act to destroy these rights and freedoms all the damn time.

Fuck off.

1. Here is a list of 11 top Catholic historical scientists https://epicpew.com/11-amazing-catholic-scientists-you-should-know/

2. The 10th commandment was specifically about coveting your neighbor’s goods not about how the economy should run. There were merchants and guilds in Medieval Catholic Europe.

3. Here is the role of the Catholic Church in promoting human rights. https://www.ewtn.com/library/HUMANITY/HUMNRTS.HTM
Gifts such as modern science, free-market economics, art, music, and the idea of human rights come from the Catholic Church, explains Woods. No institution has done more to shape Western civilization than the two-thousand-year-old Catholic Church

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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2018, 08:16:48 pm »
1 and 3. Sorry, I'm going to need sources I can trust to be objective and not just Catholic apologist sites.

2. Without coveting, there is no capitalism.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

Quote from: Supreme Court of Canada
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
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Well according to wikipedia this is what she said. This sounds like something a possessed person would say.

In a letter to Alt in 1975, Michel wrote, "I am nothing; everything about me is vanity. What should I do? I have to improve. You pray for me" and also once told him, "I want to suffer for other people...but this is so cruel".[10] In September of the same year, Bishop Josef Stangl granted the priest Arnold Renz permission to exorcise according to the Rituale Romanum of 1614, but ordered total secrecy.[16][note 1] Renz performed the first session on 24 September. Michel began talking increasingly about "dying to atone for the wayward youth of the day and the apostate priests of the modern church", and she refused to eat towards the end.

In the second one, notice how the women calms down indicating that an exorcism has been performed and the demon was driven out.

 How does that sound like something a possessed person would say?  Dying to atone for others sounds like Jesus not a demon.  She was mentally ill not possessed.

And shock, she calmed down when they stopped attacking her.  That's a real big surprise.

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Re: More proof that Christianity is true
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Well according to wikipedia this is what she said. This sounds like something a possessed person would say.

In a letter to Alt in 1975, Michel wrote, "I am nothing; everything about me is vanity. What should I do? I have to improve. You pray for me" and also once told him, "I want to suffer for other people...but this is so cruel".[10] In September of the same year, Bishop Josef Stangl granted the priest Arnold Renz permission to exorcise according to the Rituale Romanum of 1614, but ordered total secrecy.[16][note 1] Renz performed the first session on 24 September. Michel began talking increasingly about "dying to atone for the wayward youth of the day and the apostate priests of the modern church", and she refused to eat towards the end.

In the second one, notice how the women calms down indicating that an exorcism has been performed and the demon was driven out.

 How does that sound like something a possessed person would say?  Dying to atone for others sounds like Jesus not a demon.  She was mentally ill not possessed.

And shock, she calmed down when they stopped attacking her.  That's a real big surprise.

1. But why would she think that she needed to die to atone for others since she wasn’t Jesus?

2. She was sitting up and then collapsed back after the Exorcism was performed indicating that a demon was driven from her. And before the demon was driven out, notice how she was freaking out the most when the cross was put on her. That also indicates that she was possessed.
Gifts such as modern science, free-market economics, art, music, and the idea of human rights come from the Catholic Church, explains Woods. No institution has done more to shape Western civilization than the two-thousand-year-old Catholic Church