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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2018, 01:51:27 pm »
I find it amusing that wars and turmoil are totally cool as long as "DER RIGHTFUL HEIR!" takes the throne afterwards.

Meanwhile a month or two of having a temporary government before electing a new one (or in case of simply removal/death of a president, having the vice-president or equivalent rule instead) is somehow proof that democracy doesn't work.

Really, have you ever seen politicians die during their term or get kicked out? Because both have happened in Finland. Heck, Kekkonen dying was no problem for democracy at all (long story) and several parliament members have been kicked out from their job and replaced due to corruption or shenanigans.

But when you do that to a king the line of succession breaks. Even the best case scenario is proof that inherited position of king has failed. If the king had been from a "better" line or if they had divine mandate then why did someone like that get the position? And if they are no better than the average mortal then why should their kids get to be the next rulers? At least the Swedish kings of old were elected democratically (yeah, they were basically a "president for life" in all but name) and until one of them decided to make his son the next king and take away democracy for a few centuries they really had the best way to handle monarchy the planet has seen. ...And even then term limits that democracy (usually) has is an even better improvement on that.
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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2018, 03:17:21 pm »
I find it amusing that wars and turmoil are totally cool as long as "DER RIGHTFUL HEIR!" takes the throne afterwards.

Meanwhile a month or two of having a temporary government before electing a new one (or in case of simply removal/death of a president, having the vice-president or equivalent rule instead) is somehow proof that democracy doesn't work.

Really, have you ever seen politicians die during their term or get kicked out? Because both have happened in Finland. Heck, Kekkonen dying was no problem for democracy at all (long story) and several parliament members have been kicked out from their job and replaced due to corruption or shenanigans.

But when you do that to a king the line of succession breaks. Even the best case scenario is proof that inherited position of king has failed. If the king had been from a "better" line or if they had divine mandate then why did someone like that get the position? And if they are no better than the average mortal then why should their kids get to be the next rulers? At least the Swedish kings of old were elected democratically (yeah, they were basically a "president for life" in all but name) and until one of them decided to make his son the next king and take away democracy for a few centuries they really had the best way to handle monarchy the planet has seen. ...And even then term limits that democracy (usually) has is an even better improvement on that.

Their kids should be the next rulers because it is part of the nation’s legal structure. Overthrowing a bad King and putting his son on the throne sets a precedent that the Kings must be good rulers or otherwise they’ll be overthrown. More often than not, the succession of the throne will be stable.

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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2018, 03:19:16 pm »
^Which can be an issue, but generally don't result in civil wars.  Royal succession crisis however caused civil wars countless times.  Avoiding civil wars is a far higher priority then whatever bullshit you want.

Anyway DIRECT QUESTION

What will you do if this guy you think should be king doesn't agree with your ideology and wants nothing to do with monarchy?

Well specifics in succession laws can prevent succession crisis is. And if this guy does not want to pursue his rightful throne then a future grandson of the direct line should be kidnapped and raised to want to pursue the throne.

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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2018, 04:33:00 pm »
If Jacob actually got his mad little scheme underway it would have been not one but several kidnappings as he trashed around the internet "finding" Troo Hires to the Frone. There's the makings of a great slapstick comedy here!

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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2018, 04:49:22 pm »
You keep forgetting who the lawful monarch of the Commonwealth Realms is, as established by the Act of Settlement.
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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2018, 06:27:31 pm »
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.

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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2018, 08:31:26 pm »
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.

But there are probably parallel universes where Republics fell over a cuckold.

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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2018, 08:43:42 pm »
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.

But there are probably parallel universes where Republics fell over a cuckold.

Oh, I'm sure there are. In fact, there are probably even parallel universes where you're not full of shit.

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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2018, 08:44:43 pm »
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.

But there are probably parallel universes where Republics fell over a cuckold.
And there are fantasy universes where the Daleks have taken over yet I remain unconcerned about incursions by squawking, sociopathic pepper pots

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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2018, 08:21:07 am »
As I said before it is so rare that the chance of it causing a Republic to fall is equally as likely.
As you yourself have admitted, not a single democratic government has ever been toppled because one guy put his pee pee where he wasn't supposed to. Which is more than can be said for your fantasy kingdom. As such, the former is the objectively superiour option.

As I said before, in this universe, not a single monarchy toppled over a cuckolding showing how rare it is.

By your own admission, it's a legitimate risk to your fantasy empire. That makes it inferiour, regardless of rarity. End of story.

But there are probably parallel universes where Republics fell over a cuckold.

Oh, I'm sure there are. In fact, there are probably even parallel universes where you're not full of shit.

No Jacob being full of shit is pretty much a universal constant.

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Re: Another important announcement
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2018, 02:57:17 pm »
I can't think of any other so-called "important announcements" that I've found less important than these.