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Proof that Catholicism is true!
« on: September 16, 2018, 08:21:13 pm »
Our Lady of Guadalupe is a venerated image in Mexico City. In 1531, the Virgin Mary appeared to Juan Diego four times, healed his dying uncle, and told him to gather flowers “from the top of Tepeyac Hill, which was normally barren, especially in December. Juan followed her instructions and he found Castilian roses, not native to Mexico, blooming there. The Virgin arranged the flowers in Juan's tilma, or cloak, and when Juan Diego opened his cloak before archbishop Zumárraga on December 12, the flowers fell to the floor, and on the fabric was the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe.“-From Wikipedia

Here are miracles and supernatural qualities of the image. Read about them and you will see that the image is supernatural proving that it is from the Virgin Mary and that Catholicism is true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe#Pious_Beliefs_and_Devotions



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Re: Proof that Catholicism is true!
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2018, 08:30:17 pm »
Funny how once people started carrying video cameras in their pockets these sorts of things stopped happening.
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Re: Proof that Catholicism is true!
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2018, 09:13:35 pm »
Our Lady of Guadalupe is a venerated image in Mexico City. In 1531, the Virgin Mary appeared to Juan Diego four times, healed his dying uncle, and told him to gather flowers “from the top of Tepeyac Hill, which was normally barren, especially in December. Juan followed her instructions and he found Castilian roses, not native to Mexico, blooming there. The Virgin arranged the flowers in Juan's tilma, or cloak, and when Juan Diego opened his cloak before archbishop Zumárraga on December 12, the flowers fell to the floor, and on the fabric was the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe.“-From Wikipedia

Here are miracles and supernatural qualities of the image. Read about them and you will see that the image is supernatural proving that it is from the Virgin Mary and that Catholicism is true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe#Pious_Beliefs_and_Devotions

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Actually, infrared photographs show that the hands have been modified, and close-up photography shows that pigment has been applied to the highlight areas of the face sufficiently heavily so as to obscure the texture of the cloth. There is also obvious cracking and flaking of paint all along a vertical seam, and the infrared photos reveal in the robe’s fold what appear to be sketch lines, suggesting that an artist roughed out the figure before painting it. Portrait artist Glenn Taylor has pointed out that the part in the Virgin’s hair is off-center; that her eyes, including the irises, have outlines, as they often do in paintings, but not in nature, and that these outlines appear to have been done with a brush; and that much other evidence suggests the picture was probably copied by an inexpert artist from an expertly done original.



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In 1985, forensic analyst John F. Fischer and I reported all of this evidence and more in “a folkloristic and iconographic investigation” of the Image of Guadalupe in Skeptical Inquirer. We also addressed some of the pseudoscience that the image has attracted. (For example, some claim to have discovered faces, including that of “Juan Diego” in the magnified weave of the Virgin’s eyes-evidence of nothing more than the pious imagination’s ability to perceive images, inkblot-like, in random shapes) (Nickell and Fischer 1985).

Recently our findings were confirmed when the Spanish-language magazine Proceso reported the results of a secret study of the Image of Guadalupe. It had been conducted - secretly - in 1982 by art restoration expert José Sol Rosales. Rosales examined the cloth with a stereomicroscope and observed that the canvas appeared to be a mixture of linen and hemp or cactus fiber. It had been prepared with a brush coat of white primer (calcium sulfate), and the image was then rendered in distemper (i.e., paint consisting of pigment, water, and a binding medium). The artist used a “very limited palette,” the expert stated, consisting of black (from pine soot), white, blue, green, various earth colors ("tierras”), reds (including carmine), and gold. Rosales concluded that the image did not originate supernaturally but was instead the work of an artist who used the materials and methods of the sixteenth century (El Vaticano 2002).

In addition, new scholarship (e.g. Brading 2001) suggests that, while the image was painted not long after the Spanish conquest and was alleged to have miraculous powers, the pious legend of Mary’s appearance to Juan Diego may date from the following century. Some Catholic scholars, including the former curator of the basilica Monsignor Guillermo Schulemburg, even doubt the historical existence of Juan Diego. Schulemburg said the canonization of Juan Diego would be the “recognition of a cult” (Nickell 1997).

Dude, it's a painting!