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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2018, 03:35:57 am »
It's also in direct contradiction to the biblical passage in Ezekiel about the Nephilim.

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Ezekiel 13:17-13:33 And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan, and said unto them, Get you up this way southward, and go up into the mountain:  And see the land, what it is, and the people that dwelleth therein, whether they be strong or weak, few or many; And what the land is that they dwell in, whether it be good or bad; and what cities they be that they dwell in, whether in tents, or in strong holds; And what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time was the time of the firstripe grapes. So they went up, and searched the land from the wilderness of Zin unto Rehob, as men come to Hamath. And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs. The place was called the brook Eshcol, because of the cluster of grapes which the children of Israel cut down from thence  And they returned from searching of the land after forty days. And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran, to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the congregation, and shewed them the fruit of the land.  And they returned from searching of the land after forty days. And they told him, and said, We came unto the land whither thou sentest us, and surely it floweth with milk and honey; and this is the fruit of it. The land ... floweth with milk and honey. Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan. Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it. But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.  And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Short version, Mo' sends his scouts out to find real estate. They come back with reports of some really big peeps in one particularly juicy piece of land. Also keep in mind by the bible's own reckoning this land of giant Nephilim people was around some 900 years after Noah.

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Noah if you care to know about him closed the reigns of an wicked generation. He is the one God told to build an ark to rescue him from the coming flood.

In obedience he did. Only him, his wife, 3 sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth and their wives survived.The 8 humans started a new life on a desolate earth where everything had gone under.

He lived 950 years and died.

New generations were springing forth through his sons.One of them, Shem gained a descendant known as Abraham. Through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob, he birthed the 12 Tribes of Israel.This was the official start of the children Moses went to rescue from Egypt.

You can see the timeline from Noah is quite gone. Shem lived 500 years and Abraham appeared 7 generations later and lived 175 years.Isaac bore Jacob who had 12 Sons. His 3rd son was called Levi-The line of Priests. It's from this family that Moses was born to a Levite couple hundreds of years after Noah.

So, killin' Nephilim can't have been the reason for the great flood because they were still being obnoxiously tall several generations later (hey, maybe they were fine and just wondering why they were in the shallow end while everybody else gurgled their last.)

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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2018, 08:24:01 am »
It's also in direct contradiction to the biblical passage in Ezekiel about the Nephilim.

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Ezekiel 13:17-13:33 And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan, and said unto them, Get you up this way southward, and go up into the mountain:  And see the land, what it is, and the people that dwelleth therein, whether they be strong or weak, few or many; And what the land is that they dwell in, whether it be good or bad; and what cities they be that they dwell in, whether in tents, or in strong holds; And what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time was the time of the firstripe grapes. So they went up, and searched the land from the wilderness of Zin unto Rehob, as men come to Hamath. And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs. The place was called the brook Eshcol, because of the cluster of grapes which the children of Israel cut down from thence  And they returned from searching of the land after forty days. And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran, to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the congregation, and shewed them the fruit of the land.  And they returned from searching of the land after forty days. And they told him, and said, We came unto the land whither thou sentest us, and surely it floweth with milk and honey; and this is the fruit of it. The land ... floweth with milk and honey. Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan. Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it. But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.  And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Short version, Mo' sends his scouts out to find real estate. They come back with reports of some really big peeps in one particularly juicy piece of land. Also keep in mind by the bible's own reckoning this land of giant Nephilim people was around some 900 years after Noah.

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Noah if you care to know about him closed the reigns of an wicked generation. He is the one God told to build an ark to rescue him from the coming flood.

In obedience he did. Only him, his wife, 3 sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth and their wives survived.The 8 humans started a new life on a desolate earth where everything had gone under.

He lived 950 years and died.

New generations were springing forth through his sons.One of them, Shem gained a descendant known as Abraham. Through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob, he birthed the 12 Tribes of Israel.This was the official start of the children Moses went to rescue from Egypt.

You can see the timeline from Noah is quite gone. Shem lived 500 years and Abraham appeared 7 generations later and lived 175 years.Isaac bore Jacob who had 12 Sons. His 3rd son was called Levi-The line of Priests. It's from this family that Moses was born to a Levite couple hundreds of years after Noah.

So, killin' Nephilim can't have been the reason for the great flood because they were still being obnoxiously tall several generations later (hey, maybe they were fine and just wondering why they were in the shallow end while everybody else gurgled their last.)

Some of Noah's sons wives had Nephilim genes in them which is why there were Nephilim after the flood.

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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #77 on: October 05, 2018, 10:02:07 am »
So they drowned a big heap of non nephilim tots for fuck all?

Chapter and verse reference for these mysterious neph-genetics in Noah's harem pls?

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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #78 on: October 05, 2018, 11:12:37 am »
So they drowned a big heap of non nephilim tots for fuck all?

Chapter and verse reference for these mysterious neph-genetics in Noah's harem pls?

No, all of those in the region who drowned in the flood were Nephilim. The flood significantly reduced the number of Nephilim. His sons having some wives that carried Nephilim genes is the common sense explanation for why there were Nephilim after the flood because Noah, his sons, and his sons wives were the only survivors in the region, so the post-flood Nephilim have to come from somewhere.

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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #79 on: October 05, 2018, 11:22:22 am »
So they drowned a big heap of non nephilim tots for fuck all?

Chapter and verse reference for these mysterious neph-genetics in Noah's harem pls?

No, all of those in the region who drowned in the flood were Nephilim. The flood significantly reduced the number of Nephilim. His sons having some wives that carried Nephilim genes is the common sense explanation for why there were Nephilim after the flood because Noah, his sons, and his sons wives were the only survivors in the region, so the post-flood Nephilim have to come from somewhere.
So an omnipotent entity that can smite individuals at will deals with this purported sub species of superhumans by throwing water at them which, being omniscient, is something he knows won't work?

I note you guys rarely claim that Yahweh is omni-intelligent. I can see why.

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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2018, 12:09:08 pm »
So they drowned a big heap of non nephilim tots for fuck all?

Chapter and verse reference for these mysterious neph-genetics in Noah's harem pls?

No, all of those in the region who drowned in the flood were Nephilim. The flood significantly reduced the number of Nephilim. His sons having some wives that carried Nephilim genes is the common sense explanation for why there were Nephilim after the flood because Noah, his sons, and his sons wives were the only survivors in the region, so the post-flood Nephilim have to come from somewhere.

Okay, one, the notion that ancestry alone makes one evil and worthy of destruction is utterly abhorrent.

Two, what about all the purely human babies? Were the nephilim genes so prevalent in humanity at the time that only Noah, his sons, and their wives were free of it? And if so, what about said wives' relatives? How did said wives avoid the nephilim genes while all their relations had it? Or were they also pure human but just (completely avoidable for an omnipotent deity) collateral damage?

Other flood myths at least have a handful of other righteous people surviving the flood on high mountaintops.

1. But it is impossible for Nephillim to not be evil, because of the demonic power inside of them since they were born.

2. Yes Noah, his sons, and their wives were the only ones were the only ones in that region that were free of the Nephillim genes. Their ancestors were decendants of Adam’s son Seth and they avoided reproducing with Nephillim who were descended from Cain.

You really are shameless and don't give a shit about truth, aren't you, when you can't even avoid straight-up contradicting yourself?
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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #81 on: October 05, 2018, 05:36:39 pm »
So they drowned a big heap of non nephilim tots for fuck all?

Chapter and verse reference for these mysterious neph-genetics in Noah's harem pls?

No, all of those in the region who drowned in the flood were Nephilim. The flood significantly reduced the number of Nephilim. His sons having some wives that carried Nephilim genes is the common sense explanation for why there were Nephilim after the flood because Noah, his sons, and his sons wives were the only survivors in the region, so the post-flood Nephilim have to come from somewhere.
So an omnipotent entity that can smite individuals at will deals with this purported sub species of superhumans by throwing water at them which, being omniscient, is something he knows won't work?

I note you guys rarely claim that Yahweh is omni-intelligent. I can see why.

Because his goal was to destroy most of them, not all of them.

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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #82 on: October 05, 2018, 05:37:31 pm »
So they drowned a big heap of non nephilim tots for fuck all?

Chapter and verse reference for these mysterious neph-genetics in Noah's harem pls?

No, all of those in the region who drowned in the flood were Nephilim. The flood significantly reduced the number of Nephilim. His sons having some wives that carried Nephilim genes is the common sense explanation for why there were Nephilim after the flood because Noah, his sons, and his sons wives were the only survivors in the region, so the post-flood Nephilim have to come from somewhere.

Okay, one, the notion that ancestry alone makes one evil and worthy of destruction is utterly abhorrent.

Two, what about all the purely human babies? Were the nephilim genes so prevalent in humanity at the time that only Noah, his sons, and their wives were free of it? And if so, what about said wives' relatives? How did said wives avoid the nephilim genes while all their relations had it? Or were they also pure human but just (completely avoidable for an omnipotent deity) collateral damage?

Other flood myths at least have a handful of other righteous people surviving the flood on high mountaintops.

1. But it is impossible for Nephillim to not be evil, because of the demonic power inside of them since they were born.

2. Yes Noah, his sons, and their wives were the only ones were the only ones in that region that were free of the Nephillim genes. Their ancestors were decendants of Adam’s son Seth and they avoided reproducing with Nephillim who were descended from Cain.

You really are shameless and don't give a shit about truth, aren't you, when you can't even avoid straight-up contradicting yourself?

I made that comment before I did research on how the Nephilim survived after the flood.

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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #83 on: October 05, 2018, 05:56:39 pm »
Citation seriously fucking needed on that research.
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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #84 on: October 05, 2018, 06:37:22 pm »
It involved wizards, portals,  Einstein–Rosen bridges, Lucifer and Jesus chillin' in the bedroom, teen doodles, old man boobies and probably non-consensual photos of his cuz in denim short shorts, to be sure.

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Re: My predictions of the future
« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2018, 03:45:49 am »
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The LORD said to him, "Who gives one man speech and makes another deaf and dumb? Or who gives sight to one and makes another blind? Is it not I, the LORD? Go, then! It is I who will assist you in speaking and will teach you what you are to say."

--Exodus 4:11-12, New American Bible

So, yes, it's your god who makes people deaf, dumb, and/or blind.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.