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Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2012, 06:57:53 pm »
Yeah, let's have smaller government and more freedom to take away the rights of other citizens.  What a coincidence that I started getting migrains about the same time as the Republican debates.

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Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2012, 09:25:44 pm »
And then there's the argument of "Well, since the States rule, if someone doesn't like it, they can move to another state."  Yeah, one problem.  Traveling, and especially moving, can be expensive, not to mention disruptive, especially right now.  What if someone is too poor to just pick up and move out of a state that works against them?  Worse yet, and an issue that some people have concerning "state's rights," is when states take cues from eachother and start passing similar laws one by one (anti-abortion bills, for example).  If every state, or a cluster of nearby states, pass the same laws, then people can't just "go to another state."  There's no way a majority of women are going to be able to travel across the country just to get fucking contraception, nor should they.

You forget that Republicans completely ignore this. I had one girl in my class ask why black people didn't move to escape segregated states. The idea that they were too poor to do so completely baffled her. To them, there is no financial reason not to move, and even if they acknowledge it, well, it's their own fault they're poor, so who cares?

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Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2012, 09:36:39 pm »
if memory serves, Santorum is reffering to Griswold.

That case established for the first time a right to privacy.  So take it out and you not only effect Roe v Wade but any pro gay ruling as well.

I can see why he hates it.
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Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2012, 11:48:26 pm »
I wonder if he realizes states can do that, but because they're all part of a federal system, a federal ruling can cancel out the state's ruling.
Course that would mean the party that shouts "Constitution" all the time really has no use for it besides being a buzz word
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Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2012, 11:54:57 pm »
No no no.  They need to criminalize conception.

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Nah, too hard and not wide spread enough.
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Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2012, 03:26:32 am »
No no no.  They need to criminalize conception.

Ironbite-that's how you nip the problem in the bud
Nah, too hard and not wide spread enough.
Sex should be outlawed.
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So no getting naked at all - gotcha. I like showing with my clothes on anyway.
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Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2012, 10:42:31 am »
if memory serves, Santorum is reffering to Griswold.

That case established for the first time a right to privacy.  So take it out and you not only effect Roe v Wade but any pro gay ruling as well.

Not necessarily. Case law is full of still-valid holdings based on holdings that are no longer valid. He can hope that overturning Griswold will bleed over to other privacy holdings, but it wouldn't be automatic.
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Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2012, 12:27:51 am »
I would ask if he realises that birth control pills are used for a wide variety of things besides preventing impregnation, but I'm pretty sure he just doesn't care.
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Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2012, 01:40:32 am »
Not to mention the criminalization of alcohol directly leading to the establishment of organized crime.

Organised crime existed before prohibition. what is the Klan if not organised crime?

which brings up a point. That's the reason why conservatives like 50 separate governments- at a national level, they're on equal terms, but in a single state they can heavily outnumbers Decent human beings. That explains their similar arguments in the antebellum period, and indeed the Confederacy itself. why coexist with nasty subhuman liberals when you could just create conservatopia and happily oppress gays, blacks, women and the poor to your heart's content?

I had one girl in my class ask why black people didn't move to escape segregated states.

They did move, in their millions. There was a mass migration of African-Americans from the South to the North* between 1850 or so and 1970 or so. But they found a society that was, if anything, more segregated- just less obviously so. Heard of redlining?

* And of whites to California. But that's just because Southern governments are historically shithouse.
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