Worst of Social Justice

[pyro]

This isn't comparing a level of oppression. What he is trying to say is that focusing solely on males committing more suicides ignores that this is due to men being less likely to seek out mental help. It seems a tad counterproductive to the ends of reducing male suicide to ignore social factors like this that directly contribute. More so to the point, it seems like one of the best ways to deal with the issue of male suicides is to focus on this aspect of patriarchy: all the male suicide PSA's in the world will do nothing if men are still afraid to seek mental help when necessary due to some silly notion of masculinity.

That's a decent reading of the OP, but I'm not sure how "men are allowed to have problems worth getting together as a society to solve" doesn't address men being unwilling to seek help.

[Eiki-mun]

On mobile so I can't quote very well. Speaking personally, I won't deny that there's a valid point to be made about the effects of overwhelming pressure to be masculine on men. However, it becomes much harder to take him seriously when it's grouped up with openly mocking tweets like "lol every day is men's day", as if we spend literally 364 days of the year bringing up social awareness of men's issues. That's what I take issue with. Because really, we don't. If we did, they'd be solved by now. That's the point of the day in question.

Edit: And to clarify, the APA source is more than sufficient. Thank you, Queen.

[Askold]

@The_Queen

Unfortunately quite often these turn into an "Who is more oppressed" contest and then to claims that only those who are suffering the most need help and everyone else should be ignored. ...MRAs are particularly fond of that tactic. So are racists now that I think about it "Why are you wasting money on immigrants when we have homeless people in our country?" and so on.

In my opinion, we should acknowledge that a lot of things need to be fixed and particularly when we are talking about issues such as depression there is no need to try to find just one group of people who are in the biggest risk group and ignore everyone else.


And for the record, I am not trying to say that men are worse off than women, I am well aware that women are worse off than men currently but I just think that men's day is not a problem because the point isn't that we should ignore women's problems, not even on that day, it's was created to highlight the problems that men face so that they could get more recognition.

[guizonde]

queen, i'm not an idiot. the problem wasn't with "big words", or even with pathology, but with "male privilege", and you know it. now, if you search pathology on google, you will find that definition. i don't understand the link between the word "pathology" and the concept of male privilege. pathology implies it's a disease. male privilege may be endemic, but it's not a disease.

[Damen]

How very mature: disregard the sociological point he is making regarding patriarchy contributing to male problems so that you may intentionally misinterpret his point as misandrist because he thinks your men's day is silly.

Except the only "social point" I can see him "making" is: "You're a male so you don't matter." If there is any other point he's trying to make, I must be too stupid to see it. Damn that penis, blinding me to his totally nuanced statement.

I think it's silly also. Big whoop.

You're right, it is silly to have a day to bring awareness to inequalities and problems regarding boys failing in education, male suicide rates (but women TRY as much as men, so fuck men, right?), lack of rights for willing fathers, the shocking number of male victims of domestic violence, the fact that often when men do actually call domestic violence hot lines, they're laughed at or told there's no way to help them because the shelters are "women and children only," the fact that being "made to penetrate" is considered a separate category of offense to "rape," men who are made to penetrate a woman aren't considered to have been raped, the gender bias in the court system, the fact that victims of female-on-male rape can be forced to pay child support, even when they were raped as a child and the fact that by society in general, no one will talk about the issues men face because "equality for everyone" is "misogynistic."

Yeah, it's "silly" to have one god damn day to maybe address these issues before we go back to talking about the REALLY IMPORTANT things.

[Even Then]

You know, for someone who's angry about diminishing issues a gender faces, you sure do like reducing feminism to just "manspreading".

[Damen]

Saying it once sarcastically shows I "really like" that?

[Even Then]

Apparently, since you're, you know, doing it.

And no, I'm not trying to say that men don't suffer issues. That would be asinine. But hypocrisy's hypocrisy.

[Eiki-mun]

Ah, never mind. I had missed the part where Queen called the entire concept of a day about men's issues silly. Fuck off. What's next, getting rid of Father's day because of all that privilege fathers have?

[Even Then]

Yeah, okay, that was inappropriate of Queen tbh.

[Damen]

Apparently, since you're, you know, doing it.

And no, I'm not trying to say that men don't suffer issues. That would be asinine. But hypocrisy's hypocrisy.

Once. In angry sarcasm. "Once" does not "really like to" mean. I'm not too sure how much more clearly I can say this.

Do you think I'm not aware of the issues women face? I am fully aware that they face their own issues from being passed over for promotions at work due to bullshit reasons that have nothing to do with the work they do, to often having no help at home after work for daily stuff, to the constant attacks on their reproductive rights, the lack of proper accommodations at work for women who are pregnant, to being ignored because of what's between their legs. But, as SCarpelan said, empathy is not a zero sum game and giving a day to men to bring up issues unique to them is no more silly than giving a day to women so they can voice their grievances. Treating it as "silly" or "lol, every other day is men's day" does absolutely nothing to further the discussion of greater equality for the sexes.

[Even Then]

Okay, fair enough. I apologize. I've just encountered too many jackasses with the attitude of "lol manspreading is clearly the only thing these feminazis care about", and that coloured my perception. It shouldn't have.

[Damen]

Apology accepted.

[Søren]

Are zombies ableist? A lot of people in my family are disabled, like myself and my dad cannot walk far without his wheelchair. It seems like zombies have trouble walking, skin problems and maybe injured brains. They talk slow and are able to often say brains. Am I being rude or reading too much into things? Sorry if I am. My dad's severely brain injured and he's not a zombie. But zombies don't really seem dead. Is this a negative portrayal of disability or am I mistaken?

[RavynousHunter]

Usually, zombies are a metaphor for consumerism...