Worst of Social Justice

[Ironchew]

That the sheer possibility of having disabled kids means that a couple should not only be prevented from having kids but prevented from being together at all? What the fuck.

I don’t care about this argument at all but find a different point to argue from please.

That's the rub, isn't it? Funny how Americans had just overwhelmingly approved a paradigm shift in the rights of marriage that depended partly on the revolutionary concept that homosexuals are not required to reproduce in order to be in a relationship. And yet they don't extend that same courtesy to consenting adults that just so happen to be closely related with an arbitrary cutoff on what "closely related" means.

People with the bigoted attitude he's describing (and unfortunately at least a few here on FQA subscribe to) will have their ideas left in the dust by future generations.

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

That the sheer possibility of having disabled kids means that a couple should not only be prevented from having kids but prevented from being together at all? What the fuck.

I don’t care about this argument at all but find a different point to argue from please.

That's the rub, isn't it? Funny how Americans had just overwhelmingly approved a paradigm shift in the rights of marriage that depended partly on the revolutionary concept that homosexuals are not required to reproduce in order to be in a relationship. And yet they don't extend that same courtesy to consenting adults that just so happen to be closely related with an arbitrary cutoff on what "closely related" means.

People with the bigoted attitude he's describing (and unfortunately at least a few here on FQA subscribe to) will have their ideas left in the dust by future generations.

I don't really give a toss who wants to bump uglies as long as they are old enough to consent and are consenting.

I think what most people picture when they hear about incest is a creepy uncle exploiting their nephew, or an older kid with a sadistic streak sexually exploiting a younger one. The reason those are BadThings(tm) is because rape and child abuse. If someone produces three headed offspring, or even ones with ears like Prince Charlie that doesn't make them bad people.

If people want to live like the Targaryens, as regards brotherfucking-not mass murder, and it's all above board age of consent wise and consent wise do what the fuck ever.

[Ultimate Paragon]

Only 90's kin will understand this...

[LeTipex]

Only 90's kin will understand this...

Okay, that's funny.

[Skybison]

ouch!!! As a gay man, I agree. Just as I despise drag shows (hate them!) and I worry about how "trans" "women" behave, act in public and over do the "woman thing" with the makeup, pink clothes, exaggerated "womanly" mannerisms, etc. It's sexist, but they don't see it or get it. Trans "women" not only set ciswomen back 50 years, they reinforce stereotypes of what a woman should look like or act like. When I see a butch transwoman make it to the cover of Vanity Fair, I will sit down and shut up. Ever wonder why gay men dominate in fashion? Because they ALSO have stereotypes of what "real women" should look like. It's men dictating to the world (whether gay or straight), how women should behave and look like.

Yep, the existence of transwomen wearing makeup and pink clothes totally caused my female boss to loss her job and degree and become a homewife.  Actually this comment about "pink is sexist" brings to mind that quote from Iggy Pop "I'm not ashamed to dress like a woman because I don't think it's shameful to be a woman."

[Sigmaleph]

ouch!!! As a gay man, I agree. Just as I despise drag shows (hate them!) and I worry about how "trans" "women" behave, act in public and over do the "woman thing" with the makeup, pink clothes, exaggerated "womanly" mannerisms, etc. It's sexist, but they don't see it or get it. Trans "women" not only set ciswomen back 50 years, they reinforce stereotypes of what a woman should look like or act like. When I see a butch transwoman make it to the cover of Vanity Fair, I will sit down and shut up. Ever wonder why gay men dominate in fashion? Because they ALSO have stereotypes of what "real women" should look like. It's men dictating to the world (whether gay or straight), how women should behave and look like.

Yep, the existence of transwomen wearing makeup and pink clothes totally caused my female boss to loss her job and degree and become a homewife.  Actually this comment about "pink is sexist" brings to mind that quote from Iggy Pop "I'm not ashamed to dress like a woman because I don't think it's shameful to be a woman."

The reason a lot of trans women perform exaggerated femininity is that, y'know, people throw any bit of masculinity in their faces to prove they are not real women.

(and, of course, some of them just like makeup and pink and feminine mannerisms! just like many cis women!)

[Skybison]

ouch!!! As a gay man, I agree. Just as I despise drag shows (hate them!) and I worry about how "trans" "women" behave, act in public and over do the "woman thing" with the makeup, pink clothes, exaggerated "womanly" mannerisms, etc. It's sexist, but they don't see it or get it. Trans "women" not only set ciswomen back 50 years, they reinforce stereotypes of what a woman should look like or act like. When I see a butch transwoman make it to the cover of Vanity Fair, I will sit down and shut up. Ever wonder why gay men dominate in fashion? Because they ALSO have stereotypes of what "real women" should look like. It's men dictating to the world (whether gay or straight), how women should behave and look like.

Yep, the existence of transwomen wearing makeup and pink clothes totally caused my female boss to loss her job and degree and become a homewife.  Actually this comment about "pink is sexist" brings to mind that quote from Iggy Pop "I'm not ashamed to dress like a woman because I don't think it's shameful to be a woman."

The reason a lot of trans women perform exaggerated femininity is that, y'know, people throw any bit of masculinity in their faces to prove they are not real women.

(and, of course, some of them just like makeup and pink and feminine mannerisms! just like many cis women!)

Seriously he's a guy complaining about men dictating how women behave and look, while dictating they behave  and look butch.

The blog post he was commenting on I thought had a questionable slant to it. http://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/11/10/why-i-no-longer-hate-terfs/
 I'm a cis straight dude without much social awareness, so I often fret I might be mansplaining if I tell feminists they're doing it wrong.  But I dunno the way she complains about transwomen being not being loyal enough to feminism and outrage at the idea that women can have cisprivilage to justify including TERFs, it seemed really hypocritical too me.  "You have to prove you're loyal to us, but how dare you suggest we need to prove we're loyal to you!"

[Sigmaleph]

oh ungods that article.

So you see, my trans sisters, when you assert your womanhood, what feminists really want to know is if you’re here to maintain the status quo or to change it. Because the status quo isn’t working too well for most of us. It’s hurting us. Women are still treated like shit. And unlike liberal feminists, we’re not interested in spraying the shit with perfume and calling it a flower bed. We’ve come with shovels and we want the shit gone. Will you shovel along with us? Will you march with us for reproductive freedom? Will you lobby for universal pre-k and paid parental leave? We need those things. Will you fight with us against the idea that there is such a thing as a “lady brain” and that it’s “naturally” pink and fluffy and emotional and drawn to makeup and restrictive — but sexy — clothing? Will you fight with us against women’s sexual objectification? Will you take a stand against sex trafficking and the sexual exploitation of women and girls? Or will your transition serve to reinforce those injustices? Do you come to womanhood offering support or just to make demands?

Like. I am 100% behind changing the status quo. I think it's fucked up. But not every aspect of a person's life is about political activism, and transition should be focused on the person's personal life, not be subservient to the goals of the feminist movement.

Some trans women are emotional and like pink and makeup and fluffy things and restrictive but sexy clothing. This is their right as, y'know, human beings. If this does not help sell a convenient narrative for your movement, too bad for your movement.

[pyro]

And yes, I know a couple trans with women who are far from "frills and pink" habitually.

[The_Queen]

ouch!!! As a gay man, I agree. Just as I despise drag shows (hate them!) and I worry about how "trans" "women" behave, act in public and over do the "woman thing" with the makeup, pink clothes, exaggerated "womanly" mannerisms, etc. It's sexist, but they don't see it or get it. Trans "women" not only set ciswomen back 50 years, they reinforce stereotypes of what a woman should look like or act like. When I see a butch transwoman make it to the cover of Vanity Fair, I will sit down and shut up. Ever wonder why gay men dominate in fashion? Because they ALSO have stereotypes of what "real women" should look like. It's men dictating to the world (whether gay or straight), how women should behave and look like.

Yep, the existence of transwomen wearing makeup and pink clothes totally caused my female boss to loss her job and degree and become a homewife.  Actually this comment about "pink is sexist" brings to mind that quote from Iggy Pop "I'm not ashamed to dress like a woman because I don't think it's shameful to be a woman."

If I ever met that guy, I'd show him just how stereotypically feminine I am, primarily by telling him my two favorite words: "fuck off."

[Skybison]

Queen I don`t know if you wear pink, but if you do I imagine it`s as pink as the blood of your enemies.

Also how the hell would transitioning reinforce sex trafficking or restricting abortion?  That doesn`t even make sense.  I like the potshot she takes at liberal feminists, because I`m pretty sure they are doing all those things, they`re just not being assholes to transwomen.

[ironbite]

Wait....Queen is Arcee?

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

This baffling...thing.

Brocialists might sport Dr Martens, Vans, or boat shoes sans socks, and they're partial to skinny jeans. They're drawn to quality over grunge, thus Scandinavian brands such as Fjallraven, Acne Studios, and Cheap Monday Jeans are the flavour of choice, which is suitable seeing as the Nordic countries align with their egalitarian values. It's no surprise, therefore, that they cycle and enjoy public transportation over anything that might be considered a carbon-emitting abomination.


Music preferences are self explanatory, but brocialists are drawn to broody emotional tunes and local music so as to present a down-to-earth, enthusiastic disposition. Furthermore, they have no qualms with ironic beats from the 90s, as they can freely make fun of themselves.

Their palate is an interesting one. While they're inclined to exercise vegetarianism, they don't indulge in veganism for fear of coming off as too hardcore or opinionated. And they're into Kiwiana motifs so mince pies without meat or cheese rolls might be the plat du jour, alongside a breakfast of black coffee and organic bircher with fruit from their local community garden, for example. They refuse to conform to gender roles so they'll cook these dishes and complete the clean-up with gusto. After dinner, they drink whisky and craft beer in excess. Brocialists smoke socially but would never reveal this to their doctor. They're anti smoking, if anything. Instead, they smoke after a good political debate once they're convinced they've enlightened their ignorant company. A millennial's after-sex smoke, if you will.

On a broader level, these often educated individuals work in the public or non-for-profit sector. For the creative brocialist, you'll find them crafting beautiful Scandinavian-style furniture, designing charity-focussed advertising campaigns or launching a startup. While they're into technology over cars and sports, they're not your traditional "cos-play" "world of warcraft" types. Rather, they geek out by way of social media. They're insufferably vocal about their beliefs, more so than your everyday feminist. They're the first on your feed to post about International Women's Day

Skinny jeans...doc martens...

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Brocialists?

[Askold]

...Is that supposed to be parody?

In my experience there are two kinds of brocialists. Type one uses their outwardly progressive values to woo women, particularly in the public realm of social media, while secretly maintaining their non-progressive values. Type two views women as expendable objects and treats them poorly to hide their insecurities. By pretending to the world, and probably themselves, that they're all about liberating the underdog, they get an angelic reputation while staying snuggled into dominant patriarchal structures. In both cases it's the combination of arrogance, yet empathy for everyone and everything—on their terms—that's the true signifier of brocialism.

Uh... Yeah, that does sound like dick behaviour but isn't that just your garden variety "person pretending to be something they are not so that they get to fuck someone" rather than merely a socialist problem?

And I might be too sex-positive or something but complaining about bikini-models sounds like slut-shaming. Give the women right to dress the way they want, having a career as a bikini-model (or God forbid a porn star) is not wrong in itself and neither is it wrong for people to enjoy them.

I do agree with the complaint about some dude sleeping with a lot of women while pretending to be monogamous. Then again I am also acquainted with a few people from polygamous relationships so in my opinion there's nothing wrong with sleeping around as long as everyone is aware of the circumstances.

[Art Vandelay]

Am I the only one sick of this whole trend of inserting "bro" into something to describe a part of it that you don't like?