Another mass shooting.

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[Radiation]

Ah thanks Mlle Antichrist. Saturn you are cracking me up for some reason.

[wyvern999]

A simple question.

Do you think if the people who wrote the constitution knew then what we know today would they have still inserted the 2nd amemdment knowing the misery it was going to cause?

[kefkaownsall]

Honestly they would be very confused with stuff like the internet and how it effects free press.

[Lt. Fred]

Do you think if the people who wrote the constitution knew then what we know today would they have still inserted the 2nd amemdment knowing the misery it was going to cause?

Is it that much misery? How many people die of preventable, firearm-related causes? Compared to, say, bath-tub related accidents (the usual measure)? Because other 'important' major causes of death (ie terrorism) do not kill many western people.

[wyvern999]

Do you think if the people who wrote the constitution knew then what we know today would they have still inserted the 2nd amendment knowing the misery it was going to cause?

Is it that much misery? How many people die of preventable, firearm-related causes? Compared to, say, bath-tub related accidents (the usual measure)? Because other 'important' major causes of death (ie terrorism) do not kill many western people.

Well if the 2nd amendment didn't exist presumably consideably fewer people would own guns than do today so that would lead to a corresponding reduction in firearm related deaths. As for "bathtub" related accidents. Unless you know of another way for people to get clean then I think we'll just have to put up with them for the sake of public hygiene.

[Askold]

Do you think if the people who wrote the constitution knew then what we know today would they have still inserted the 2nd amendment knowing the misery it was going to cause?

Is it that much misery? How many people die of preventable, firearm-related causes? Compared to, say, bath-tub related accidents (the usual measure)? Because other 'important' major causes of death (ie terrorism) do not kill many western people.

Well if the 2nd amendment didn't exist presumably consideably fewer people would own guns than do today so that would lead to a corresponding reduction in firearm related deaths. As for "bathtub" related accidents. Unless you know of another way for people to get clean then I think we'll just have to put up with them for the sake of public hygiene.

No, it would not. This subject is a lot more complicated than that. The amount of legally owned guns does not directly correlate to the amount of gun crime (in either direction.)

Also, many "firearm related deaths" are suicides and even if the availability of guns is reduced you will still have people trying to commit suicide.

[kefkaownsall]

Do you think if the people who wrote the constitution knew then what we know today would they have still inserted the 2nd amendment knowing the misery it was going to cause?

Is it that much misery? How many people die of preventable, firearm-related causes? Compared to, say, bath-tub related accidents (the usual measure)? Because other 'important' major causes of death (ie terrorism) do not kill many western people.

Well if the 2nd amendment didn't exist presumably consideably fewer people would own guns than do today so that would lead to a corresponding reduction in firearm related deaths. As for "bathtub" related accidents. Unless you know of another way for people to get clean then I think we'll just have to put up with them for the sake of public hygiene.

No, it would not. This subject is a lot more complicated than that. The amount of legally owned guns does not directly correlate to the amount of gun crime (in either direction.)

Also, many "firearm related deaths" are suicides and even if the availability of guns is reduced you will still have people trying to commit suicide.

True but those suicides from like swallowing pills are less likely to succeed

[Canadian Mojo]

Do you think if the people who wrote the constitution knew then what we know today would they have still inserted the 2nd amendment knowing the misery it was going to cause?

Is it that much misery? How many people die of preventable, firearm-related causes? Compared to, say, bath-tub related accidents (the usual measure)? Because other 'important' major causes of death (ie terrorism) do not kill many western people.

Well if the 2nd amendment didn't exist presumably consideably fewer people would own guns than do today so that would lead to a corresponding reduction in firearm related deaths. As for "bathtub" related accidents. Unless you know of another way for people to get clean then I think we'll just have to put up with them for the sake of public hygiene.

No, it would not. This subject is a lot more complicated than that. The amount of legally owned guns does not directly correlate to the amount of gun crime (in either direction.)

Also, many "firearm related deaths" are suicides and even if the availability of guns is reduced you will still have people trying to commit suicide.

True but those suicides from like swallowing pills are less likely to succeed

Which is why someone serious about killing themselves will step out in front of a train or jump off a bridge if they can't find a gun.

Advocating gun control to reduce suicides is like advocating for pro-choice because of ectopic pregnancies; it completely misses the reality of the issue as a whole to focus on a tiny facet.

[Saturn500]

Do you think if the people who wrote the constitution knew then what we know today would they have still inserted the 2nd amendment knowing the misery it was going to cause?

Is it that much misery? How many people die of preventable, firearm-related causes? Compared to, say, bath-tub related accidents (the usual measure)? Because other 'important' major causes of death (ie terrorism) do not kill many western people.

Well if the 2nd amendment didn't exist presumably consideably fewer people would own guns than do today so that would lead to a corresponding reduction in firearm related deaths. As for "bathtub" related accidents. Unless you know of another way for people to get clean then I think we'll just have to put up with them for the sake of public hygiene.

No, it would not. This subject is a lot more complicated than that. The amount of legally owned guns does not directly correlate to the amount of gun crime (in either direction.)

Also, many "firearm related deaths" are suicides and even if the availability of guns is reduced you will still have people trying to commit suicide.

True but those suicides from like swallowing pills are less likely to succeed

Which is why someone serious about killing themselves will step out in front of a train or jump off a bridge if they can't find a gun.

Advocating gun control to reduce suicides is like advocating for pro-choice because of ectopic pregnancies; it completely misses the reality of the issue as a whole to focus on a tiny facet.

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[wyvern999]

No, it would not. This subject is a lot more complicated than that. The amount of legally owned guns does not directly correlate to the amount of gun crime (in either direction.)

Also, many "firearm related deaths" are suicides and even if the availability of guns is reduced you will still have people trying to commit suicide.

I don't think that is the case. Countries with greater gun control have far less gun violence. It is an indisputable fact. As for suicides guns are best because they are the quickest. Pills take time to work. You may change your mind or get found and end up in hostpital getting your stomach pumped. Jumping in front of a train. You first have to go to a station or railway line and wait for a train moving fast enough to kill you. Again in the meantime you may change your mind. But you can't change your mind with a gun. Stick it in your mouth, pull the trigger, bang you're dead. Nice and quick.
There are never any good news stories about guns just a seemingly endless line of pointless deaths. To be exact 34 every single day.

[VirtualStranger]

A lack of proper gun control isn't the problem.

The problem is that Americans are a violent, militaristic people who view guns as tools that empower their users by allowing them to force their will on others. The problem is that Americans view guns as the first and last solution to any potentially violent situation.

You will not significantly address gun violence in the US unless you change American culture.

[Witchyjoshy]

No, it would not. This subject is a lot more complicated than that. The amount of legally owned guns does not directly correlate to the amount of gun crime (in either direction.)

Also, many "firearm related deaths" are suicides and even if the availability of guns is reduced you will still have people trying to commit suicide.

I don't think that is the case. Countries with greater gun control have far less gun violence. It is an indisputable fact. As for suicides guns are best because they are the quickest. Pills take time to work. You may change your mind or get found and end up in hostpital getting your stomach pumped. Jumping in front of a train. You first have to go to a station or railway line and wait for a train moving fast enough to kill you. Again in the meantime you may change your mind. But you can't change your mind with a gun. Stick it in your mouth, pull the trigger, bang you're dead. Nice and quick.
There are never any good news stories about guns just a seemingly endless line of pointless deaths. To be exact 34 every single day.

"There are never any good news stories about" is never a good reason to ban anything.  Bad news sells.  Good news doesn't.  That's the way the media works.

A lack of proper gun control isn't the problem.

The problem is that Americans are a violent, militaristic people who view guns as a tool for forcing their will on others. The problem is that Americans view guns as the first and last solution to any potentially violent situation.

You will not significantly address change gun violence in the US unless you change American culture.

VirtualStranger has it right.  The problem isn't that we lack gun control.  The problem is our culture.  Keep guns out of the general populace, and we'd probably end up making our own, or resorting to other violent measures.

[wyvern999]

VirtualStranger has it right.  The problem isn't that we lack gun control.  The problem is our culture.  Keep guns out of the general populace, and we'd probably end up making our own, or resorting to other violent measures.

Truthfully do you have the knowledge, materials, or equipment to make your own gun?

[Patches]

VirtualStranger has it right.  The problem isn't that we lack gun control.  The problem is our culture.  Keep guns out of the general populace, and we'd probably end up making our own, or resorting to other violent measures.

Pretty much.  The problem isn't that everyone's arming themselves to fend off the boogeymen, the problem is that everyone thinks they need to.

Our culture is rooted in fear.  We need guns because we think that everyone else in the world is a mysterious "other" and they're all out to get us.  We think anyone who looks or thinks in a way unfamiliar to us must necessarily have bad intentions.  We're a culture rooted in paranoia.  That person isn't trying to offer me a brochure, he's trying to sexually assault me.  That's not the pizza man, he's trying to break into my house.  No one trusts anyone.  We surround ourselves with weapons because we are conditioned to believe people are dangerous, and we do our damned best to live up to that expectation.