2014 Israel/Gaza conflict: electric boogaloo

[WatermelonRat]

Israel is justified in acting to suppress the ability of Hamas to threaten its citizens with rockets.
Israel is not justified in killing large numbers of Gaza civillians.
Hamas has built their infrastructure in a way that ensures any meaningful strike on their rocket firing abilities will incur civillian casualties.
Israel has taken further steps to avoid civillian casualties than any combatant in a comparable conflict in history.
Civillian casualties still occur.
Israel's military is not acting callously or with intent to cause civillian casualties.
Many innocents still die.
This is Hamas' fault.
This is also Israel's fault.
Rockets are still being launched at Israel.
Israel still has an obligation to its citizens to stop the rocket fire.

In short, one huge clusterfuck.

[ironbite]

I truly take umbrage with your statement that Israel has taken steps to avoid civilian casualties in this bombardment.

[Witchyjoshy]

Hamas has built their infrastructure in a way that ensures any meaningful strike on their rocket firing abilities will incur civillian casualties.

Which is not the fault of the Palestinians - the hospitals were there long before Hamas built anything there.

Not to mention we're just taking some of this on Israel's good word - that every bombing site is related to Hamas.

Incidentally, that hospital that was bombed... wasn't sitting on top of anything related to Hamas.  Anything that was even remotely related... was in a different spot.

I've said this once, and I've said it again: Even if Hamas is using human shields (which "children playing on the beach" ARE NOT HUMAN SHIELDS.  Those were the children that were intentionally targetted and murdered by the IDF, by the way), YOU DO NOT SHOOT THE HUMAN SHIELDS.

[Sigmaleph]

Israel has taken further steps to avoid civillian casualties than any combatant in a comparable conflict in history.

Strong claim. Can you back it up?

[Canadian Mojo]

Israel has taken further steps to avoid civillian casualties than any combatant in a comparable conflict in history.

Strong claim. Can you back it up?

They said so.

[I am lizard]

Okay, could we start citing legitimate sources?

[Canadian Mojo]

Okay, could we start citing legitimate sources?

ARE YOU CALLING THEM LIARS YOU ANTI-SEMITE NEO-NAZI BASTARD?

SHAME ON YOU!

[I am lizard]

(Just for the record, I am not openly taking sides here, this isn't exactly a polite discussion about are favourite cartoons)

[MadCatTLX]

Just to update everyone, the death toll I'm currently seeing are over 1,000 Palestinians (many civilians) and 37 Israelis dead (all of them soldiers as far as I can tell).

[MadCatTLX]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/27/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?c=homepage-t&page=2

An Israeli mortar shell hit a school that was being used as a UN shelter, killing 16. Israel denies that anyone was killed by the errant mortar shell.

[Dakota Bob]

The official IDF spokesperson twitter account is just delightful

[ironbite]

David Draman's been retweeting it non-stop since this whole shitfest began.

Ironbite-really wish he'd cut if off but don't have the heart to tell him.

[Nemo]

Notice how Israel has been willing to halt their attacks, whereas Hamas has not. Note also that the Islamists brag of trying to "drive the dogs into the sea".

[Ironchew]

Keep on drinking that kool-aid, Nemo.

[Witchyjoshy]

Notice how Israel has been willing to halt their attacks, whereas Hamas has not. Note also that the Islamists brag of trying to "drive the dogs into the sea".

Israel just bombed a school that was being used as a shelter, killing 16 people.  Your argument is not valid.