2014 Israel/Gaza conflict: electric boogaloo

[Lt. Fred]

You find MY position offensive, Fred? Me, who desires peace, who thinks that all the idiots should just duke it out and let the reasonable folks actually have civil discourse?

Huh.  Interesting stance you take.  I'll keep that in mind.

Oh, you actually care about the conflict? That's a surprise. What would be the "trainwreck" then?

[MadCatTLX]

You find MY position offensive, Fred? Me, who desires peace, who thinks that all the idiots should just duke it out and let the reasonable folks actually have civil discourse?

Huh.  Interesting stance you take.  I'll keep that in mind.

Oh, you actually care about the conflict? That's a surprise. What would be the "trainwreck" then?

Wait, do you think he's talking about the Israel/Gaza conflict? I'm pretty sure the trainwreck he's talking about is the fight going on in this thread, between you, Magus, and UP.

[Lt. Fred]

You find MY position offensive, Fred? Me, who desires peace, who thinks that all the idiots should just duke it out and let the reasonable folks actually have civil discourse?

Huh.  Interesting stance you take.  I'll keep that in mind.

Oh, you actually care about the conflict? That's a surprise. What would be the "trainwreck" then?

Wait, do you think he's talking about the Israel/Gaza conflict? I'm pretty sure the trainwreck he's talking about is the fight going on in this thread, between you, Magus, and UP.

Is it a trainwreck because we disagree with him, or is it a trainwreck because we care at all? It's either that he's Jesus or the conflict doesn't matter, as far as I can see.

[Witchyjoshy]

...What the fuck?

Why are those the only two options?

[Eiki-mun]

We keep hearing about all these things Hamas "would do, if they had the chance". Considering that Israel does all of these things right now, the evidence is pretty clear that Israel is at least as bad, if not worse, than Hamas. Especially since I don't think anyone, not even the most rabidly anti-Israeli people, plan on giving Hamas the chance to do all these things.

[Cerim Treascair]

You find MY position offensive, Fred? Me, who desires peace, who thinks that all the idiots should just duke it out and let the reasonable folks actually have civil discourse?

Huh.  Interesting stance you take.  I'll keep that in mind.

Oh, you actually care about the conflict? That's a surprise. What would be the "trainwreck" then?

Wait, do you think he's talking about the Israel/Gaza conflict? I'm pretty sure the trainwreck he's talking about is the fight going on in this thread, between you, Magus, and UP.

Is it a trainwreck because we disagree with him, or is it a trainwreck because we care at all? It's either that he's Jesus or the conflict doesn't matter, as far as I can see.

Nooooo no no no, the trainwreck is the fight going on between you, Magus and UP.  I'm just sitting here enjoying the carnage.  My opinion on the conflict amounts to my above "lock all the idiots that want to fight in a room, kill each other, then kill whoever's left, so the rest of the world can move the fuck on" post.

[Second Coming of Madman]

It IS rather a trainwreck if you could see the whole fight, Ibby.  It's impressive.

I have a lot more respect for Ultimate Paragon's position than yours. At least he gives a shit, or doesn't have active contempt for people who care about others. Seriously, this is highly offensive of you.

Me and Mr. Glocky (Who is now located in Ironchew's intestinal tract) agree.

[Danarth]

Just as a point to the ethnic cleansing comment. Ethnic cleansing does not simply mean to kill off a particular ethnic group, it can also refer to forcing a particular ethnic group out of one area, traditionally which has been the home to that ethnic group.

[Second Coming of Madman]

Just as a point to the ethnic cleansing comment. Ethnic cleansing does not simply mean to kill off a particular ethnic group, it can also refer to forcing a particular ethnic group out of one area, traditionally which has been the home to that ethnic group.

Israel is mini-Bosnia.

[MadCatTLX]

I present to you, the rubble bucket challenge, because this is what it takes to make people give a shit these days...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zqnxme3GSc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zqnxme3GSc</a>

[Canadian Mojo]

Now shit like this is why people think that Israel is being the asshole. The bodies aren't even cold yet and the fuckers go out of their way to deliberately antagonize and collectively punish the Palestinians:

The decision to seize the land is reported to have been made shortly after the event that sparked the conflict, the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers.

The settlements council in Gevaot said: "It paves the way for the new city of Gevaot.

"The goal of the murderers of those three youths was to sow fear among us, to disrupt our daily lives and to call into doubt our right to the land. Our response is to strengthen settlement."

Roughly translated: "we can do whatever we want and you are powerless to stop us so shut up and go sit in your corner the corner we let you use for now or next time the beating will be much worse."

Fuck you Israel. Your nation has the morality of an abusive parent/spouse and you are well deserving of all the hate and comparisons to Hitler you get.

[Ultimate Paragon]

I agree, the Israeli government's going too far, and their response is all wrong.  But comparing them to Hitler?  Sorry, but until Palestinians are being forced into death camps, I'm going to have to call that a monstrous exaggeration.

Besides, here's what Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas has to say about Hamas:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/mahmoud-abbas-abduction-israeli-teens_n_5498007.html

http://news.yahoo.com/palestinian-leader-hamas-caused-prolonged-war-142407698.html

[Ironchew]

How far does UP have his head up his ass about Israel? Just how atrocious do their war crimes have to be to finally force him to condemn them unconditionally? We may never know.

[Canadian Mojo]

Why do I get the distinct impression that if things became openly genocidal you would still decry it as a 'monstrous exaggeration' since Israel could only kill at most 2.5 million to Hitlers 6 million, and besides, the Palestinians have the gall to actually fight so it would be self defense. 

Hitler used racism/nationalism, the victimization of the German people under the treaty of Versailles, and the 'historically backed' manifest destiny of the Aryan race to subjugate and eventually try to eliminate the Jews.

Israel is using racism/nationalism, the victimization of the Jewish people under Hitler, and the 'historically backed' manifest destiny of God's chosen people to subjugate the Palestinians.

They're already at the point of denying them basic rights, jamming them into ghettos that lack proper servicing, walling them in, and collectively punishing them... which sounds a lot like Warsaw circa 1941. The only thing Israel hasn't done yet is start a wholesale extermination program.

The comparisons are more than valid. You just need to set aside you preconceived notions about who the good guys and bad guys are and look.

[Ultimate Paragon]

Why do I get the distinct impression that if things became openly genocidal you would still decry it as a 'monstrous exaggeration' since Israel could only kill at most 2.5 million to Hitlers 6 million, and besides, the Palestinians have the gall to actually fight so it would be self defense. 

Hitler used racism/nationalism, the victimization of the German people under the treaty of Versailles, and the 'historically backed' manifest destiny of the Aryan race to subjugate and eventually try to eliminate the Jews.

Israel is using racism/nationalism, the victimization of the Jewish people under Hitler, and the 'historically backed' manifest destiny of God's chosen people to subjugate the Palestinians.

They're already at the point of denying them basic rights, jamming them into ghettos that lack proper servicing, walling them in, and collectively punishing them... which sounds a lot like Warsaw circa 1941. The only thing Israel hasn't done yet is start a wholesale extermination program.

The comparisons are more than valid. You just need to set aside you preconceived notions about who the good guys and bad guys are and look.

1.  Plenty of other Middle Eastern nations mistreat the Palestinians.  Why aren't you holding them to the same standards?

2.  Funny, I don't remember the Jews ever committing terrorist attacks against Germany, calling for the destruction of the German state, or threatening to wipe out the German people.

3.  Between 1948 and 2001, somewhere from 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews left the various Arab and Islamic countries and moved to Israel, which is more than the number of Arabs who left Israel during that same time period.  Why aren't you accusing them of "ethnic cleansing"?