Yeah, no, when I buy a box with a disc inside, I'm not buying a license to play that disc. I'm buying the physical disc that happens to have the data for a game stored on it. What I then do with that disc is none of Microsoft's business.
So by your own logic, you could, say, upload the contents of said disk to a torrent site, or copy it onto blank DVDs to sell to your friends. Or you could perhaps go into the source code, dig out the engine and distribute/sell it to others as you see fit. That'd be totally ok, right?
No, because that's what I could potentially do with the data on the disc. I am not buying the ownership of the data on the disc, just the disc itself. I said that what I do with the disc is not Microsoft's business, not what I do with the data. Yeah, I understand that some people say that they're buying the data, I say that I'm buying the disc with the data stored on it, not the data itself. I hope that makes sense.
People keep saying this but I can't find where that's been confirmed, all I can find out about is MS confirming you will be able to sell your games on. Anyone got any links?
http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2013/05/report-xbox-one-not-backwards-compatible/http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2013/05/xbox-one-requires-internet-connection/http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qaFor the online connect, they flat out say on their website that it will require an Internet connection, but will not require a constant connection, which is only a step above always-online (and if I have to explain why always-online is an issue, I point to SimCity). Otherwise, things are a bit confused right now, so there's not a whole lot to discuss until it gets cleared up.
Now, let's assume assume that there will be a fee to install and play on another console. Rentals are out the window. Used games are not going to be viable. Borrowing games will be difficult, especially for people who are short on cash. No other medium does this. I can loan a friend a book. I don't have to pay twice to buy a used CD. I can rent a DVD with no issue. Why is it excusable for video games to expect you to pay twice for the same product?
That said, I'm not criticizing them for trying to keep people from passing a disc around their social circle and having several people play, but that can be solved a very simple thing: Only run the game when the disc is in the machine. You know, just like how the 360 and PS3 handles it.
And it doesn't raise any red flags with me because to be honest I don't give that many fucks. I try to reserve my rage for shit that actually matters. MS interfereing with used game sales sucks yes, but it's not that high up on my list of priorities. The way some people are reacting you'd think the new console requires you to let MS emplyess fuck your sister's still warm corpse in order do anything.
Because it takes SO much effort to not buy a console that doesn't fit with what you want it to do. I'm not defending the people who are overreacting, I'm trying to be a smart consumer. I don't like having DRM on physical discs, so I won't buy it. Its that simple.
MS has confirmed you can install and play games on any console, free of charger, if you sign in with the account that the game is attached too. How is that different to what you've described with steam? I'm pretty sure with steam you have to sign into the steam account you bought the game with regardless of which PC you're installing it on (unless you send it as a gift to another account or something but I think you have to buy the game again to do that).
Because it is a physical disc, not downloaded data. There is no other medium that tries to restrict what you can do with physical media. I don't have to pay the publisher when I buy a used book, nor have I ever encountered a DVD player with DRM or a CD player that refused to play a CD because I don't have a license to play that music. Why are video games different that its excusable to put DRM on physical media?
Also, does anyone have some statistics to show that needless DRM has ever prevented significant piracy or not hurt legitimate customers?