I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men, instead of me, the supreme gentleman."I'm such a perfect gentleman that I will literally murder you if you do any less than throw yourself at me".
All those girls that I've desired so much, they would have all rejected me and looked down upon me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them."Would have". Well, that just says it all, now doesn't it?
The little punk ass bitch couldn't work up the fucking balls to ask anyone out? Wooooooooow.
Oh and his parents were trying to get him help. That's why he was seeing 4 different therapists is what I read about. 4 different people trying to reach this asshole who couldn't even ask out the star of his masturbation fantasy isn't enough to squash this jackass' sense of entitlement? Really? Come on now I think we're better then this.
Also apparently a few days before the rampage, the parents called the cops on the kid. The cops determined he was a "nice guy" and left without arresting his punk ass.
Ironbite-so let's place where it should folks...on this alpha predator.
Wish there was some sort of mental illness test before selling a gun to someone...
nerotipAssuming you mean "neurotypical", then no, he most definitely wasn't. There's a reason why he was seeing four different therapists at the same time.
The news will now try to either blame it on "Mental Illness" for the fifty billionth god damn time, or say how "tragic" he was."Nerotip"? Then why was he undergoing such intense therapy?
At the risk of offending UP, society just can't accept that a straight white nerotip cishet could be anything but perfect.
(For those lacking mental capacity, this is known as a "rant")
</arseholes>
Look at all this deliciousness.
One of the avatars is some shitty My Little Pony fancharacter. How delightful...
Apparently they just really like the idea of fucking cartoon ponies.One of the avatars is some shitty My Little Pony fancharacter. How delightful...One thing that puzzles me is why some misogynists are fans of a rather feminist cartoon.
Apparently they just really like the idea of fucking cartoon ponies.
He fatally stabbed three men in his residence, shot two women to death in front of a sorority house, shot a man to death inside a deli, exchanged gunfire twice with police and injured 13 people as he drove from block to block, the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Office said Saturday night.
Apparently they just really like the idea of fucking cartoon ponies.
Oh, do fuck off. I know you're a snarky, taking-the-piss bastard right alongside of Old Viking, but I'm sick and fucking tired of your shit.
Apparently they just really like the idea of fucking cartoon ponies.
Oh, do fuck off. I know you're a snarky, taking-the-piss bastard right alongside of Old Viking, but I'm sick and fucking tired of your shit.
So who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?
Guys, this is not mental illness, unlike most cases. This is motivated byLet's forget that guy had seen 4 therapists and was having delusions of godhoodmisogynymisanthropymisogyny and sexual frustration.
Guys, this is not mental illness, unlike most cases. This is motivated byLet's forget that guy had seen 4 therapists and was having delusions of godhoodmisogynymisanthropymisogyny and sexual frustration.
Let's forget that if an ideal is the only thing needed for this we'd have virgin retards offing themselves or others on a mass daily basis considering how many people spout this shit on the internet.
No, this guy was totally legit and well adjusted and sane.
Apparently they just really like the idea of fucking cartoon ponies.
Oh, do fuck off. I know you're a snarky, taking-the-piss bastard right alongside of Old Viking, but I'm sick and fucking tired of your shit.
So who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?
You did. Remember?
All I really have an interest in pointing out as of this post is that I want to express my sympathies for those who were murdered and their surviving loved ones, to thank whoever shot this fuckface and to point out that I am tickled pink at the fact that he was complaining about being a virgin...and then got to die a virgin.
Fuck Vox Day. (http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2014/05/the-source-of-misogyny.html)I could literally not be less phased right now.
Fuck Vox Day. (http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2014/05/the-source-of-misogyny.html)
Fuck Vox Day. (http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2014/05/the-source-of-misogyny.html)
The lesson to be learned from this incident is that the idea of "fairness" that people have today is very, very dangerous. Younger people especially seem to think that life should be fair, and where it is not fair it should be made fair -- at gunpoint, if necessary. The desire for "fairness" lies behind feminism, the currently-fashionable hatred of whites ("white privilege"), the homosexual "marriage equality" dogma, and much more.
Many young people today simply cannot accept the obvious fact that natural inequalities exist in every sphere of life. The fact that some people simply are better than others enrages them. They cannot admit to themselves that "fair" does not exist.
This disordered desire for "fairness" is, of course, nothing but the same old sin of Pride that got us in this mess to begin with -- the desire to "know for ourselves good and evil", the desire to "become as God", ordering reality itself to serve our bottomless ego. It is not surprising that this murderer craved that which only God is due -- "adoration" -- and thought himself a god, rightly entitled to hand out death to those who refused to worship him.
"The only focus of this kid's life was Getting Laid."
If you are a 22 year old male virgin, that will be a serious concern. Even an Omega knows that being a virgin much longer will make it that much harder to be successful with women, gentleman or not.
So, PoxDay's thesis is that the actions of a racist, misogynist arsehole with zero fucks for anyone else on the planet, actions motivated primarily by his fury that people he considers to be beneath him don't submit to his will, is all the fault of feminists, liberals and the doctrine of fairness.
Okey-dokey.
Yeah-fair enough.
Still, interesting to see one of Vox's fanboys trying to shift the blame onto people whose values are precisely the opposite of the shooters and, coincidently, of Vox Day and his fellow travellers.
Certainly the disgust that any decent human being would feel upon reading that qualifies as being fazed, even if it's not shocking.He's already admitted to notrape and said it was okay to shoot a schoolgirl in the head.
Am I the only one reminded of that guy who thinks the government should give him a girlfriend?
Spuki, that's what we were doing. For that matter I think you're the first to mention the word "gun" in this thread. Also, this happened in California.
Spuki, I like you, but the problem with that line of thought is that it paints the idea that all mentally ill people are potential serial killers who could snap at any second. That's already what some people think.
This isn't about mental health. This is about society. It doesn't matter if he was autistic, autism doesn't make you go crazy with a gun. What made him go crazy with a gun was entitlement, misogyny, and so forth.
Bringing up mental health is just throwing the mentally ill under the bus.
One thing we must all understand - every single person who has posted in this thread, who has posted on this forum, who will ever post on any forum in the history of time is capable of killing a person.
I could say something about how we're smart enough not to, but all of us are capable of making that choice. Humans are not hardwired to be pacifists. The truth is, we don't kill because we don't want to. For various reasons.
And I'm not even talking about heat of the moment manslaughter. All of us are capable of committing murder, too.
This is the harsh reality of what it means to be human.
Also, we should make the phrase "Not all men." Punishable by flogging.Okay, provided we apply that to all other groups.
Just so you know, the reason I hate that phrase is because every time someone says something that could even faintly imply something bad about men the MRA's all start screaming it.Also, we should make the phrase "Not all men." Punishable by flogging.Okay, provided we apply that to all other groups.
Just so you know, the reason I hate that phrase is because every time someone says something that could even faintly imply something bad about men the MRA's all start screaming it.Also, we should make the phrase "Not all men." Punishable by flogging.Okay, provided we apply that to all other groups.
HEY not all people who say not all (insert group here) are like that!Just so you know, the reason I hate that phrase is because every time someone says something that could even faintly imply something bad about men the MRA's all start screaming it.Also, we should make the phrase "Not all men." Punishable by flogging.Okay, provided we apply that to all other groups.
I'd go a step further and say that I'm sick of the phrase "Not all (insert group here)". A lot of the time, the people saying it are the ones that fall into the negative stereotype.
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That's easy to say when it's a member of a dominant group using that line. But what if it's a member of an oppressed minority saying it?Just so you know, the reason I hate that phrase is because every time someone says something that could even faintly imply something bad about men the MRA's all start screaming it.Also, we should make the phrase "Not all men." Punishable by flogging.Okay, provided we apply that to all other groups.
I'd go a step further and say that I'm sick of the phrase "Not all (insert group here)". A lot of the time, the people saying it are the ones that fall into the negative stereotype.
You know, people kept trying to ask me yesterday about the shooting. this is my HONEST two cents:
of course we should sympathize and help the victims and their families
but
we are looking at this Eliot freak in the wrong way, rather than fearing people like him or being upset/sympathetic wit what he became, we need to make fun of him. By laughing at him for his failures it will desecrate his to be short lived memory without unnecessarily romanticizing the situation.
I watched his dumb vlogs and it's obvious this guy was not sane. he says the exact same things in his later ones tirelessly.
there is a lot i can say about this, but nobody truly cares enough to divulge that much into it
Reality television psychologist Dr. Robi Ludwig asserted to Fox News that a mass shooting in California over the weekend may have been triggered because the suspect could not cope with his “homosexual impulses.”
In a videos posted on YouTube, 22-year-old Elliot Rodger explained that he had planned a shooting rampage to get retribution on women for rejecting him.
“All you girls who rejected me and looked down upon me and treated me like scum, while you gave yourself to other men,” Rodger said just hours before gunning down six people near UC Santa Barbara’s campus. “And all of you men for living a better life than me. All of you sexually active men. I hate you.”
By late Saturday night, Ludwig was speculating to Fox News that Rodger’s gay feelings had turned him into a mass murderer.
Nothing excuses what this privileged asshole did. But I kinda feel myself feeling sorry for him. Here's an idiot who couldn't see the forest for the trees and just expected women to line up and suck his cock and be grateful for that. That type of entitlement doesn't come from society telling you how to be a man. That's what we as a society have turned kids into. Special snowflakes. Problem is, when everyone's a special snowflake, you just make a mess.
SWITCHING GEARS NOW! Faux Noise had something interesting to say (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/25/fox-news-expert-suggests-homosexual-impulses-triggered-calif-mass-shooting/). Or rather spew.QuoteReality television psychologist Dr. Robi Ludwig asserted to Fox News that a mass shooting in California over the weekend may have been triggered because the suspect could not cope with his “homosexual impulses.”
In a videos posted on YouTube, 22-year-old Elliot Rodger explained that he had planned a shooting rampage to get retribution on women for rejecting him.
“All you girls who rejected me and looked down upon me and treated me like scum, while you gave yourself to other men,” Rodger said just hours before gunning down six people near UC Santa Barbara’s campus. “And all of you men for living a better life than me. All of you sexually active men. I hate you.”
By late Saturday night, Ludwig was speculating to Fox News that Rodger’s gay feelings had turned him into a mass murderer.
That's right. It wasn't the girls he wanted. It was the guys.
Ironbite-*supernovas*
Please note how eloquent he speaks people. He never stammers for his words, never an ummmmm, doesn't pause to formulate a thought and js emotionally numb. It seems too scripted. Think about it. Mkultra, illuminati, movie jndustry, and father is a director. He's a damn mancherian candate...those that study the jndustry will understand kt and bet it. Linguists will agree that somethjng is fishy with the speech pattern....brainwashed to kill.they need events to get to the act of disarming the people. You tube Rosanna Bar as she exposes the truth as othes have.
Am I honestly the only one here with an ounce of sympathy for the shooter himself?
I'm a bit surprised that he only got two women, the rest were men.
Certainly the disgust that any decent human being would feel upon reading that qualifies as being fazed, even if it's not shocking.He's already admitted to notrape and said it was okay to shoot a schoolgirl in the head.
Is this even partially unexpected of him?
"Not all men" reminds me of the apologists of the MLP:FiM fandom spouting "But we're not all like that", oblivious to the issue. I can't even stand that phrase.(click to show/hide)
The Return of Kings article, written by ‘Roosh,’ goes to elaborate lengths to explain that thePUA-hate community that Rodger was a part of held him back from learning the “masculine” art of seduction – which they call “game” – and, combined with the “American media, the blogosphere, men’s rights activists, and progressive organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center,” Rodger was encouraged to hate and ultimately murder women.
Here's an example of Roosh's logic:
Rodger should have checked his male privilege at the door and atoned for the sins of thousands of years of “male patriarchy.” He was likely exposed to infantile “trigger warnings” during the course of his education. He received direct propaganda that insinuates all men are potential rapists. American universities are becoming firmly anti-male with its extreme left ideology and policies. Just recently, the Justice Department has ushered in directives that attempt to restrict the definition of consensual sex, making any attempt by Rodger to fornicate with a female at a college party as a potential rape encounter that would have gotten him kicked out of school without a trial. Pro-female policies now dominate most American universities. Rodger would definitely not have received a sympathetic ear to his plight.
Well, we had to see this coming...
Sick Idiots Create Elliot Rodgers Fansites (http://crooksandliars.com/2014/05/sick-idiots-create-elliot-rodgers-fansites)QuoteThe Return of Kings article, written by ‘Roosh,’ goes to elaborate lengths to explain that thePUA-hate community that Rodger was a part of held him back from learning the “masculine” art of seduction – which they call “game” – and, combined with the “American media, the blogosphere, men’s rights activists, and progressive organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center,” Rodger was encouraged to hate and ultimately murder women.
Here's an example of Roosh's logic:
Rodger should have checked his male privilege at the door and atoned for the sins of thousands of years of “male patriarchy.” He was likely exposed to infantile “trigger warnings” during the course of his education. He received direct propaganda that insinuates all men are potential rapists. American universities are becoming firmly anti-male with its extreme left ideology and policies. Just recently, the Justice Department has ushered in directives that attempt to restrict the definition of consensual sex, making any attempt by Rodger to fornicate with a female at a college party as a potential rape encounter that would have gotten him kicked out of school without a trial. Pro-female policies now dominate most American universities. Rodger would definitely not have received a sympathetic ear to his plight.
Yeah. It's all the fault of the women who wouldn't put out blah blah blah.
Sad thing is, that isn't a new phenomenon. haven't people been making fansites and fangroups for the Columbine killers and stuff? fucked up.
Yeah, okay I will admit I was being pretentious.Certainly the disgust that any decent human being would feel upon reading that qualifies as being fazed, even if it's not shocking.He's already admitted to notrape and said it was okay to shoot a schoolgirl in the head.
Is this even partially unexpected of him?
No one is shocked that he'd say something like this, so you can stop pulling the whole "I, as a connoisseur of the internet, expected this" bit someone always has to spout when a known asshole says something terrible and people try to discuss it. Being surprised by something and being disgusted by it aren't the same thing, as you should be well aware of from your own professed disgust at the very much not shocking course of "not all men are like that!" that springs up any time someone tries to discuss sexism.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2zgvps4.jpg)Is it bad that I enjoyed playing Other M and was fine with the story?
Quote from: SpukiKitty-snip-Is it bad that I enjoyed playing Other M and was fine with the story?
I thought it mostly made sense why Adam had to authorize Samus' equipment, one being not endangering fellow soldiers, and the other I believe was cost. Samus, being a bounty hunter, has to charge the Galactic Federation for her services and equipment and I'm sure Adam was trying to keep the bill down until it was absolutely necessary (though I do admit the Varia Suit should have been authorized as soon as Samus was in the lava zone).Quote from: SpukiKitty-snip-Is it bad that I enjoyed playing Other M and was fine with the story?
No, it is not. I am curious what you liked about the story, though. You don't have to explain it if you don't feel comfortable.
I have trouble feeling any sympathy for him at all. He didn't have the guts to ask a girl that he liked out but had enough to buy weapons and start attacking people. He was a self inolved little shit. What's iteresting is that he didn't get along with men or women. The lack of ability to make friends meant that he lacked the ability to get girlfriends too.
As for being told you are 'too nice', I'm sorry that means one of two things either that you are boring and the person is feeling sorry for you and doesn't want to be harsh or that the person is fucked up with daddy issues.
We've all known those people who try too hard to be liked (quite inventively we called them 'try-hards') the reason they put you off, apart from the innate insincerity you feel given their propensity to try and pleasure, is that by agreeing with everything they don't have any opinions and provide no challenge. They become boring.
Well even then you could probably come up with a better argument.That's easy to say when it's a member of a dominant group using that line. But what if it's a member of an oppressed minority saying it?Just so you know, the reason I hate that phrase is because every time someone says something that could even faintly imply something bad about men the MRA's all start screaming it.Also, we should make the phrase "Not all men." Punishable by flogging.Okay, provided we apply that to all other groups.
I'd go a step further and say that I'm sick of the phrase "Not all (insert group here)". A lot of the time, the people saying it are the ones that fall into the negative stereotype.
"Not all men" reminds me of the apologists of the MLP:FiM fandom spouting "But we're not all like that", oblivious to the issue. I can't even stand that phrase.The "not all men" line derails discussions because the person it is used against typically has made no actual statements implying they consider the majority of men to be guilty of what is being discussed.(click to show/hide)
[About the École Polytechnique massacre]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre)
A memorial erected in Vancouver sparked controversy because it was dedicated to "all women murdered by men", which critics say implies all men are potential murderers. As a result, women involved in the project received death threats and the Vancouver Park Board subsequently banned any future memorials that might "antagonize" other groups.
From the twitters ive read, good concept, but i doubt itll do muchI'm guessing most of the Tweeters know that to a certain degree and are mostly just screaming in hopes of doing something.
From the twitters ive read, good concept, but i doubt itll do muchI'm guessing most of the Tweeters know that to a certain degree and are mostly just screaming in hopes of doing something.
Also, just like to say the #Yesallpoeple thing is absurdly cringeworthy.
From the twitters ive read, good concept, but i doubt itll do muchI'm guessing most of the Tweeters know that to a certain degree and are mostly just screaming in hopes of doing something.
Also, just like to say the #Yesallpoeple thing is absurdly cringeworthy.
One of the tweets said that TIME wrote an article accusing the tag of "taking focus away from the issue of mental health".
Am i the only one not actually bothered by the "not all x" concept. Even as a gay man i couldnt care less if a straight guy goes "not all straight people"The thing is guys will try and hijack conversations about sexism.
...you owe me the cost of that aspirin.From the twitters ive read, good concept, but i doubt itll do muchI'm guessing most of the Tweeters know that to a certain degree and are mostly just screaming in hopes of doing something.
Also, just like to say the #Yesallpoeple thing is absurdly cringeworthy.
One of the tweets said that TIME wrote an article accusing the tag of "taking focus away from the issue of mental health".
"Not all men" reminds me of the apologists of the MLP:FiM fandom spouting "But we're not all like that", oblivious to the issue. I can't even stand that phrase.The "not all men" line derails discussions because the person it is used against typically has made no actual statements implying they consider the majority of men to be guilty of what is being discussed.(click to show/hide)
If, on the other hand, a person is making an argument that portrays a given group of people as overwhelmingly adhering to a negative characteristic (for instance, if someone were to claim that a fandom was, and I quote "dominated by sociopaths") then it becomes a very valid response.
The number of guns this guy bought isn't a indicator of future violent action.
I just don't think his parents were doing a good job of raising him and teaching him ethics and morals.
And the last thing to keep in mind, this happened in California, which has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation.
But when someone is truly evil, which I believe this cumwad was, there is very little you can do. We just can't mandate everyone have a conscience.
I was just told by my grandma that the shooter's mom is now blaming mental health professionals.Don't you know?
Edit: Just saw this post:
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The number of guns this guy bought isn't a indicator of future violent action.
It's easy in hindsight to say he was a clear danger to others, but had I known before the fact that he had a deep-seated misanthropy, all those guns would have set off red flags in my head.
I just don't think his parents were doing a good job of raising him and teaching him ethics and morals.
Yet another reason why we can't expect everyone in the country to be responsible with their guns. There has to be a system put in place to take guns away from irresponsible owners.
And the last thing to keep in mind, this happened in California, which has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation.
That honestly isn't saying much. If California had gun laws similar to many European countries and the benefits of rigorous customs inspections along its entire border (similar to what we would have with effective gun control implemented nationwide), this guy wouldn't have been able to get guns.
But when someone is truly evil, which I believe this cumwad was, there is very little you can do. We just can't mandate everyone have a conscience.
We can mandate strict gun control, which has a proven track record in other countries of virtually eliminating the incidence of mass murders.
While you and I both seem to place a heap of blame on the parents
While you and I both seem to place a heap of blame on the parents
Unless either of you have evidence that his parents are to blame, it's rather irresponsible for you to toss around accusations and make assumptions about these people. I know someone whose son is serving a life sentence for murder, and she was never anything less than a wonderful parent to him and his sister (the latter of whom, one of my best friends since kindergarten, is a well-adjusted, contributing member of society and all around good person) -- yet she's had her life utterly destroyed because of people who thought they knew enough about the situation after reading a few newspaper articles to speculate about what an awful person she must be. The reality of the matter is that parents can't exert 100% control over their children's lives, not to mention that it's easy to sit in judgment of them when you have the benefit of hindsight.
I'm mainly for simple stuff like making all guns have to be locked and preferably kept in a safe. I'm also for background checks.
Personally, I'm also for government-imbursed gun safes - because they're not cheap.
That's actually an even better idea.I'm mainly for simple stuff like making all guns have to be locked and preferably kept in a safe. I'm also for background checks.
I agree. Personally, I'm also for government-imbursed gun safes - because they're not cheap.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
For the record: Fuckgun-rightsfanatics.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)
For the record: Fuck gun-rights fanatics.
I'm mainly for simple stuff like making all guns have to be locked and preferably kept in a safe. I'm also for background checks.
I agree. Personally, I'm also for government-imbursed gun safes - because they're not cheap.
How bout we just stick to gun locks n stuff.
You’re in a crowded area. You hear a gunshot behind you.
Luckily, you’re a concealed carry. Living for this moment, you whip your gun out of its holster, whirl around, and turn off the safety.
There are 5 people with guns, all trained on each other. Another concealed carry whips out his gun and trains it on you.
Who was the first person who fired a shot? Who do you shoot?
Bang, you’re dead. Your death starts a chain reaction where everyone shoots at each other.
Gunners miss each other. They hit civilians.
If there was a single concealed carry on the scene, things might have been different. But you had six people with hero complexes who aren’t psychic. Any one of you could have been the mass shooter.
You know what we call a group of concealed carries who defend people? Police. You know why they wear a uniform? So they know who not to shoot.
Remember, at every scene involving a shooting where concealed carries have been involved, they have either almost shot the person who wrestled the gun out of the shooter’s hands, or they HAVE shot them.
So next time you see someone say “If there was a concealed carry at the scene, this would have been averted,” you can reply, “it actually would’ve made the situation worse.”
By the way, I support the second amendment. I just also support reason and intelligence. If you have neither, you shouldn’t own a lethal weapon.
I've gotten so sick of the whole "concealed carry would've stopped this" meme that I've decided to make a big preachy rant on it:On the subject of "every scene involving a shooting where concealed carries have been involved", are there news reports you can provide?QuoteYou’re in a crowded area. You hear a gunshot behind you.
Luckily, you’re a concealed carry. Living for this moment, you whip your gun out of its holster, whirl around, and turn off the safety.
There are 5 people with guns, all trained on each other. Another concealed carry whips out his gun and trains it on you.
Who was the first person who fired a shot? Who do you shoot?
Bang, you’re dead. Your death starts a chain reaction where everyone shoots at each other.
Gunners miss each other. They hit civilians.
If there was a single concealed carry on the scene, things might have been different. But you had six people with hero complexes who aren’t psychic. Any one of you could have been the mass shooter.
You know what we call a group of concealed carries who defend people? Police. You know why they wear a uniform? So they know who not to shoot.
Remember, at every scene involving a shooting where concealed carries have been involved, they have either almost shot the person who wrestled the gun out of the shooter’s hands, or they HAVE shot them.
So next time you see someone say “If there was a concealed carry at the scene, this would have been averted,” you can reply, “it actually would’ve made the situation worse.”
By the way, I support the second amendment. I just also support reason and intelligence. If you have neither, you shouldn’t own a lethal weapon.
Damn, to bad the technology on how to make gun locks is controlled by the government and thus it is impossible to invent better ones.How bout we just stick to gun locks n stuff.
You mean trigger locks and locks that go through the chamber? Do you know how fast I could get through one of those? Most can even be broken just pulling on them hard enough. They're a joke for any actual security. It might keep out a young child, but that's the most it could do.
Well, I know at the Tucson shooting, the guy with a gun nearly shot another bystander. I mean, logically, such an adrenaline pumping and emotionally volatile event is not conductive to accuracy.
Damn, to bad the technology on how to make gun locks is controlled by the government and thus it is impossible to invent better ones.How bout we just stick to gun locks n stuff.
You mean trigger locks and locks that go through the chamber? Do you know how fast I could get through one of those? Most can even be broken just pulling on them hard enough. They're a joke for any actual security. It might keep out a young child, but that's the most it could do.
I've gotten so sick of the whole "concealed carry would've stopped this" meme that I've decided to make a big preachy rant on it:You’re in a crowded area. You hear a gunshot behind you.
Luckily, you’re a concealed carry. Living for this moment,
you whip your gun out of its holster, whirl around, and turn off the safety.
There are 5 people with guns, all trained on each other. Another concealed carry whips out his gun and trains it on you.
Who was the first person who fired a shot? Who do you shoot?
Bang, you’re dead. Your death starts a chain reaction where everyone shoots at each other.
Gunners miss each other. They hit civilians.
If there was a single concealed carry on the scene, things might have been different. But you had six people with hero complexes who aren’t psychic. Any one of you could have been the mass shooter.
You know what we call a group of concealed carries who defend people? Police. You know why they wear a uniform? So they know who not to shoot.
Remember, at every scene involving a shooting where concealed carries have been involved, they have either almost shot the person who wrestled the gun out of the shooter’s hands, or they HAVE shot them.
So next time you see someone say “If there was a concealed carry at the scene, this would have been averted,” you can reply, “it actually would’ve made the situation worse.”
By the way, I support the second amendment. I just also support reason and intelligence. If you have neither, you shouldn’t own a lethal weapon.
Perhaps you're right. But it's hard not to seek a rational (or at least comforting) explanation for such an evil act. Maybe this is one of those cases where everyone does everything right, and the fuckstain just turns out evil anyway.
My apologies if I have caused any offense.
It would help prevent a lot of suicides by teens trying to get into their parents guns.Damn, to bad the technology on how to make gun locks is controlled by the government and thus it is impossible to invent better ones.How bout we just stick to gun locks n stuff.
You mean trigger locks and locks that go through the chamber? Do you know how fast I could get through one of those? Most can even be broken just pulling on them hard enough. They're a joke for any actual security. It might keep out a young child, but that's the most it could do.
I never said a better one couldn't be made, just that most, if not all, of the ones currently available aren't very good. The ones given away for free are naturally the cheapest locks available, but it's better than nothing. I just think a proper safe is a much more secure option.
One hard part about making a secure gun lock is that they're generally made to be universal. I could probably design a lock that fits securely in the chamber of a gun and can't easily be broken, but that comes at the price of it only working on that model of gun. A different lock would have to be made for all the common models out there, and that's not very easy or economically feasible.
Of course it would go a long way to just use quality materials and a lock tumbler style that's hard to pick. Unfortunately that isn't what gets used from what I see.
Would it be appropriate to consider this guy an MRA terrorist?
Guys who call other guys who have wealth and style "gay", are jealous.
What the hell?? The women in London are BITCHES. Horrible, horrible bitches. He has a Maserati and they barely even look at him. I'm getting myself a Maserati soon, and I'm hoping the girls in California where I live won't be like this. They better notice me and flock to me or I will be really angry.
i agree they are. Cali girls are way better. Ur so lucky ur getting this sexy beast
Shut the hell up you ugly jealous little retard. Men who are half white half asian are the most beautiful. We are the new master race, above both whites and asians. You are just JEALOUS. Crawl back into your hole, you pathetic worm.
Shut up you ugly Indian piece of shit. What would you know about fucking anyway? No one would go for you. People who are "fucking" at such a young age end up being poor losers later in life, and will end up serving those who concentrated on achievement.
People need to stop bullying, but not only that. People also need to start accepting everyone. People need to befriend those lonely shy individuals instead of shun them, to make them feel like they belong. Social classes are evil, and lead to tragedies such as this. Humanity needs to unite as equals.
He was subscribed to a couple other channels, like RoosterTeeth's LetsPlay, World of Warcraft, TobyTurner, Pokemon, and Game of Thrones. The gaming ones are going to be problematic since World of Warcraft has already appeared in the blame game. The Game of Thrones subscription was rather interesting seeing one of his comments on a Game of Thrones video was spoilers that enraged a lot of people.
His subscribing to LetsPlay was rather recent, and I didn't see any notable comments, if any, on that channel.QuoteHe was subscribed to a couple other channels, like RoosterTeeth's LetsPlay, World of Warcraft, TobyTurner, Pokemon, and Game of Thrones. The gaming ones are going to be problematic since World of Warcraft has already appeared in the blame game. The Game of Thrones subscription was rather interesting seeing one of his comments on a Game of Thrones video was spoilers that enraged a lot of people.
Oh god, I wonder if he made any comments about the "Connect the Hots" debacle.
His subscribing to LetsPlay was rather recent, and I didn't see any notable comments, if any, on that channel.QuoteHe was subscribed to a couple other channels, like RoosterTeeth's LetsPlay, World of Warcraft, TobyTurner, Pokemon, and Game of Thrones. The gaming ones are going to be problematic since World of Warcraft has already appeared in the blame game. The Game of Thrones subscription was rather interesting seeing one of his comments on a Game of Thrones video was spoilers that enraged a lot of people.
Oh god, I wonder if he made any comments about the "Connect the Hots" debacle.
Also, what is this "Connect the Hots" debacle?
When was this? I didn't see the shooter have a subscription to Rooster Teeth directly, only the LetsPlay channel one that he probably subscribed to 1 to 3 months ago.His subscribing to LetsPlay was rather recent, and I didn't see any notable comments, if any, on that channel.QuoteHe was subscribed to a couple other channels, like RoosterTeeth's LetsPlay, World of Warcraft, TobyTurner, Pokemon, and Game of Thrones. The gaming ones are going to be problematic since World of Warcraft has already appeared in the blame game. The Game of Thrones subscription was rather interesting seeing one of his comments on a Game of Thrones video was spoilers that enraged a lot of people.
Oh god, I wonder if he made any comments about the "Connect the Hots" debacle.
Also, what is this "Connect the Hots" debacle?
I didn't witness it myself, but from I gathered, several months ago a couple of RT employees admitted to playing a game called "Connect the Hots". It was a game where their route to work would be decided on the hot girls they could find. When they found a hot girl, they would follow her until they found another one. They actually uploaded a video of themselves playing the game, and allegedly during the video, they actually roll down their window to call out to a woman, whom they didn't know mind you, to let her know they were following her. It caused a huge backdraft amongst the viewership, the video was taken down, and RT was made by their boss (Machinima, I think) to issue a public apology. And from what I heard, several of their coworkers, including a female one, couldn't see anything wrong with what they were doing when the game was first revealed. I heard only one spoke up about finding it disgusting.
That's what I remember reading about it, anyway.
When was this? I didn't see the shooter have a subscription to Rooster Teeth directly, only the LetsPlay channel one that he probably subscribed to 1 to 3 months ago.His subscribing to LetsPlay was rather recent, and I didn't see any notable comments, if any, on that channel.QuoteHe was subscribed to a couple other channels, like RoosterTeeth's LetsPlay, World of Warcraft, TobyTurner, Pokemon, and Game of Thrones. The gaming ones are going to be problematic since World of Warcraft has already appeared in the blame game. The Game of Thrones subscription was rather interesting seeing one of his comments on a Game of Thrones video was spoilers that enraged a lot of people.
Oh god, I wonder if he made any comments about the "Connect the Hots" debacle.
Also, what is this "Connect the Hots" debacle?
I didn't witness it myself, but from I gathered, several months ago a couple of RT employees admitted to playing a game called "Connect the Hots". It was a game where their route to work would be decided on the hot girls they could find. When they found a hot girl, they would follow her until they found another one. They actually uploaded a video of themselves playing the game, and allegedly during the video, they actually roll down their window to call out to a woman, whom they didn't know mind you, to let her know they were following her. It caused a huge backdraft amongst the viewership, the video was taken down, and RT was made by their boss (Machinima, I think) to issue a public apology. And from what I heard, several of their coworkers, including a female one, couldn't see anything wrong with what they were doing when the game was first revealed. I heard only one spoke up about finding it disgusting.
That's what I remember reading about it, anyway.
cism. When his narcissism grew to peak levels, by that time he couldn't be helped since he didn't see anything wrong with himself.Hoo boy, I stumbled around a guy saying MRM had nothing to do with the shooter, saying he was with Pick Up Artist and later anti-Pick Up Artist related channels and websites. Then I went around and found a guy blaming feminism for the shooting and saying the shooter himself was a feminist.
4.) The Men's Rights Movement can try to side step this all they want, but more and more people are beginning to truly see what their movement is really about. Just as the white supremacy movement was tied as partly responsible when Frazer Miller, James von Brunn, and others shoot up Jewish centers or the Holocaust museum, the Men's Rights movement shouldn't be let off the hook from this.
"I don’t care that you’re sorry. Do something."
Martinez’s only son, 20-year-old Christopher Michaels-Martinez, was one of six people slain last Friday when Elliot Rodger went on a killing spree in the California community of Isla Vista before shooting himself.
Fuck Vox Day. (http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2014/05/the-source-of-misogyny.html)
Regardless of what you think of current gun laws, the problem is very clearly the utter lack of trying to handle his problems.
Regardless of what you think of current gun laws, the problem is very clearly the utter lack of trying to handle his problems.
The problem was that he had the means to murder multiple people in a very short amount of time, courtesy of firearms. You can ignore the elephant in the room all you want, but these victims most likely wouldn't have died had we taken an effective nationwide approach to gun control.
Just about everybody in Switzerland has a gun, and how many mass shootings take place there?Regardless of what you think of current gun laws, the problem is very clearly the utter lack of trying to handle his problems.
The problem was that he had the means to murder multiple people in a very short amount of time, courtesy of firearms. You can ignore the elephant in the room all you want, but these victims most likely wouldn't have died had we taken an effective nationwide approach to gun control.
I have to agree with Ironchew, here. It's probably not a coincidence that America has by far the easiest access to guns of any 1st world nation, and is also the only one to have a school shooting on an almost monthly basis. Just sayin'.
Just about everybody in Switzerland has a gun, and how many mass shootings take place there?Regardless of what you think of current gun laws, the problem is very clearly the utter lack of trying to handle his problems.
The problem was that he had the means to murder multiple people in a very short amount of time, courtesy of firearms. You can ignore the elephant in the room all you want, but these victims most likely wouldn't have died had we taken an effective nationwide approach to gun control.
I have to agree with Ironchew, here. It's probably not a coincidence that America has by far the easiest access to guns of any 1st world nation, and is also the only one to have a school shooting on an almost monthly basis. Just sayin'.
And? Military experience doesn't automatically make you a better person.Just about everybody in Switzerland has a gun, and how many mass shootings take place there?Regardless of what you think of current gun laws, the problem is very clearly the utter lack of trying to handle his problems.
The problem was that he had the means to murder multiple people in a very short amount of time, courtesy of firearms. You can ignore the elephant in the room all you want, but these victims most likely wouldn't have died had we taken an effective nationwide approach to gun control.
I have to agree with Ironchew, here. It's probably not a coincidence that America has by far the easiest access to guns of any 1st world nation, and is also the only one to have a school shooting on an almost monthly basis. Just sayin'.
Everyone there is also required to join the military.
And? Military experience doesn't automatically make you a better person.The point is that those guns are in fact the property of the Swiss Army, not the individual it's issued to. You have to go through actual training and health screenings (physical and mental) before you get one, it has to be returned to the military when you're no longer able to serve for whatever reason, and of course that gun is not for your personal use. It's to be securely locked up in your house (i.e. nowhere your deranged virgin of a son can get it) until you're basically drafted and sent to defend the country. Best of all, should a gun that's issued to you ever be used in any sort of criminal activity, much less a school shooting, there are rather dire consequences for the owner.
Thank you my eyeball bathtub FREIND.And? Military experience doesn't automatically make you a better person.The point is that those guns are in fact the property of the Swiss Army, not the individual it's issued to. You have to go through actual training and health screenings (physical and mental) before you get one, it has to be returned to the military when you're no longer able to serve for whatever reason, and of course that gun is not for your personal use. It's to be securely locked up in your house (i.e. nowhere your deranged virgin of a son can get it) until you're basically drafted and sent to defend the country. Best of all, should a gun that's issued to you ever be used in any sort of criminal activity, much less a school shooting, there are rather dire consequences for the owner.
Basically, while gun possession (not ownership) in Switzerland is high, it's also very heavily regulated. Very different from the situation in America.
I agree, there ought to be some more regulations on gun ownership....
Regardless of what you think of current gun laws, the problem is very clearly the utter lack of trying to handle his problems.
The problem was that he had the means to murder multiple people in a very short amount of time, courtesy of firearms. You can ignore the elephant in the room all you want, but these victims most likely wouldn't have died had we taken an effective nationwide approach to gun control.
Okay, first off, mental illness isn't a factor here. Yeah, it might of played some small roll, but he was autistic, not a schizophrenic with a history of psychotic episodes.
Also, http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/specials/switzerland_for_the_record/european_records/Switzerland_s_troubling_record_of_suicide.html?cid=8301804
The point is that those guns are in fact the property of the Swiss Army, not the individual it's issued to. You have to go through actual training and health screenings (physical and mental) before you get one, it has to be returned to the military when you're no longer able to serve for whatever reason, and of course that gun is not for your personal use. It's to be securely locked up in your house (i.e. nowhere your deranged virgin of a son can get it) until you're basically drafted and sent to defend the country. Best of all, should a gun that's issued to you ever be used in any sort of criminal activity, much less a school shooting, there are rather dire consequences for the owner.
Small role? Let me give a list of his documented behavior:Um, what?
* Tried to shove girls over a ledge at a party, failed, and got beaten up and kicked out by the guys there.
* Stalked and threw coffee on four people at a bus stop for not paying attention to him.
* Assaulted a group playing kickball
QuoteSmall role? Let me give a list of his documented behavior:Um, what?
* Tried to shove girls over a ledge at a party, failed, and got beaten up and kicked out by the guys there.
* Stalked and threw coffee on four people at a bus stop for not paying attention to him.
* Assaulted a group playing kickball
Like, I never denied he was violent, I was just saying it wasn't because he was autistic.
Well you keeped mentioning "mental illness" so I thought you meant his autism.QuoteSmall role? Let me give a list of his documented behavior:Um, what?
* Tried to shove girls over a ledge at a party, failed, and got beaten up and kicked out by the guys there.
* Stalked and threw coffee on four people at a bus stop for not paying attention to him.
* Assaulted a group playing kickball
Like, I never denied he was violent, I was just saying it wasn't because he was autistic.
Wait, where the hell are you getting me ever talking about the dude's autism? What I said was that he had obvious signs of being mentally ill, potentially to a dangerous degree, and had engaged in violent behavior toward others multiple times in the past, but his condition wasn't taken seriously enough to even begin to prevent him from doing anything and even a police call was simply brushed off.
My point is that we already DO have laws in place to try and prevent people who are violently crazy from getting their hands on weapons, but it doesn't do shit if every major warning sign is ignored.
Well you keeped mentioning "mental illness" so I thought you meant his autism.QuoteSmall role? Let me give a list of his documented behavior:Um, what?
* Tried to shove girls over a ledge at a party, failed, and got beaten up and kicked out by the guys there.
* Stalked and threw coffee on four people at a bus stop for not paying attention to him.
* Assaulted a group playing kickball
Like, I never denied he was violent, I was just saying it wasn't because he was autistic.
Wait, where the hell are you getting me ever talking about the dude's autism? What I said was that he had obvious signs of being mentally ill, potentially to a dangerous degree, and had engaged in violent behavior toward others multiple times in the past, but his condition wasn't taken seriously enough to even begin to prevent him from doing anything and even a police call was simply brushed off.
My point is that we already DO have laws in place to try and prevent people who are violently crazy from getting their hands on weapons, but it doesn't do shit if every major warning sign is ignored.
You're more saying he was just straight up violent and shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near guns.
Besides, as was pointed out before, a gun was only one of his weapons, and YET, no one is giving the fucking car the stink eye or saying we need tighter knife regulations.
Regulations don't work, what's the point?
QuoteBesides, as was pointed out before, a gun was only one of his weapons, and YET, no one is giving the fucking car the stink eye or saying we need tighter knife regulations.
I know that gun control advocates tend to hate when you make comparisons to things like cars. One of the most common pro-gun arguments is to bring up how many people are killed in car accidents compared to firearm deaths; one of the most common rebuttals is to say that cars are actually important to living in the modern world and aren't designed as weapons, so they don't deserve that level of regulation.
But there's a pretty damn good point in bringing it up.. 2012 had 34,080 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year) deaths by vehicle accident alone. In 2010, literally thousands of people were dying every month.
But does anyone bat an eye at it?
Car crashes tend to just float by everyone's mind. When Memorial Day weekend hits and a few dozen people get killed on the interstate while driving to the beach, it doesn't make headlines. Not one gun control advocate talks about how cars need tighter regulations when there's probably just as many deaths as Sandy Hook happening each weekend in this country, all caused by motor vehicles. The constant stream of death is totally ignored. Do you just take it as an annual bloodletting of sorts?
There is no honest comparison between the two. The critical difference between cars and guns in the United States is that you have to be licensed to operate a motor vehicle, and that license can be revoked and your privilege to operate motor vehicles along with it. We can discuss in greater detail whether our reckless driving laws are strong enough (I don't think they are), but the basic mechanism is there for taking away the privilege of driving. No such revocation exists for assault weapons, which curiously stand alone in the set of things that can quickly and easily kill multiple people that we cannot confiscate from obviously irreponsible owners.
To put in more succinctly: the regulations help, but some people won't be deterred no matter WHAT you do.That's basically my opinion actually.
Also, 'Chew, I dunno where in the world you live, but most reputable places in the US that I know of require background checks to acquire any form of firearm; from a tiny little .22 that couldn't kill a flea, to guns powerful enough to take down a charging rhinoceros in a single shot. The thing is, a lot of places don't bother because its more of an optional program, instead of a mandatory one. Yes, there are loopholes that need closing, and we do need to crack down when it comes to people acquiring unlicensed firearms. I'm all for a universal firearms registration of which people must become members to even be allowed to start the purchasing process. What would you need to demonstrate to get a permit? You'd need to pass a gun safety course and submit to a thorough background check, at minimum.
But, again, all the laws in the world won't stop a few lone cranks who are determined and bloody minded enough to acquire a firearm, or find some other way of killing people. Like explosives. Anyone with a basic working knowledge of either history and/or chemistry could mix together a batch of working black powder and create a crude pipe bomb. You can turn a few liters of perfectly innocent cleaning solutions, with the proper know-how, into astrolyte, one of the more powerful, and stable, liquid explosives available. Hell, with astrolyte, you could turn an ordinary household sponge into a crude imitation of a hand grenade.
You can put all the laws on the books you want, but unless you have people on staff with the balls to actually enforce them, then they're not worth the paper on which they're printed.
Besides, as was pointed out before, a gun was only one of his weapons, and YET, no one is giving the fucking car the stink eye or saying we need tighter knife regulations.
Another thing: knives and cars are harder to kill someone with because there is way more evidence if you get up right next to someone.
Also, it is not that it is that much harder to kill someone with a car (though it is more location dependant than using a knife or gun), it is just that hiding the evidence is a lot more harder than just tossing it in the trash.Another thing: knives and cars are harder to kill someone with because there is way more evidence if you get up right next to someone.
I'm fairly certain that if you're killing someone in public, you're not worrying about evidence.
If we're talking murders, though, then you have a point.
It's much harder to kill someone with a knife than a gun.
Plus it's basically impossible to regulate knives as their really easy to make.
And I suppose we probably need more auto regulations.
It's a reactionary thing, where more time is spent flailing around trying to get rid of everything "bad" that nothing is done about the root of the problem. Elliot Rodger's murders, if anything, are a perfect example of the real problem: he followed every single rule and regulation we put in place to prevent it and still went out and killed people with several different methods, because his mental health problems were not properly diagnosed and the authorities not fully aware that he was a psychopath.His mental health problems were fully diagnosed, he had only had autism.
The problem was never guns. The problem was a batshit insane freak having his symptoms essentially ignored until he was able to grow to the point where he thought that mass murder was a great solution to his problems, and was considered sane enough that nobody tried to stop him and the police wouldn't even take his parents seriously when they tried to call them. Probably because he was from a wealthy family and wasn't obviously non-white.
Also, I meant regulations to prevent driving related deaths, such as better safety standards in cars or whatnot.
Also, I meant regulations to prevent driving related deaths, such as better safety standards in cars or whatnot.
JOIN US.Also, I meant regulations to prevent driving related deaths, such as better safety standards in cars or whatnot.
I think "regulation isn't the answer" applies more to cars than guns, actually. People who ignore existing traffic laws will ignore new traffic laws. You can change safety standards in cars, I guess, but safety is ultimately a technological/economic problem which you can't legislate away.
Want less car-related deaths? Put fewer cars on the street, by reducing people's need for cars. Encourage walking/public transport/bikes, at least in areas where those things are feasible.
None of the above really applies to guns, but then I refuse to get into gun control debates.
Guns don't kill people - bullets kill people.
The NRA is so focused on guns, right now, if the Feds just bought up or even just seized ammo, the NRA would be caught flat footed.
What is the best thing you could do with a gun that has no ammo? Throw it at someone's face?
Guns don't kill people, people don't kill people, nothing kills poeple.
There is no death and no escape from the pain.
Guns don't kill people, people don't kill people, nothing kills poeple.
There is no death and no escape from the pain.
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
Guns don't kill people - bullets kill people.
The NRA is so focused on guns, right now, if the Feds just bought up or even just seized ammo, the NRA would be caught flat footed.
What is the best thing you could do with a gun that has no ammo? Throw it at someone's face?
Uhm...how is requiring a license to own and operate a firearm an unreasonable search and/or seizure? They're not searching thru your house, and they aren't taking your guns. If you honestly think its unreasonable to require that people prove basic firearms competence as well as passing a background check to own a deadly fucking weapon, then you got some damned problems. If you can't safely operate a firearm, are proven to NOT have a violent criminal history, and/or are proven mentally unstable, then you shouldn't have a bloody gun. Jesus Christ, its like Black Hat Guy pleading the Third when he was being interviewed as Secretary of the Internet. Sorry, Damen, but you're going to have to try a little harder to convince me, and likely others.
I'm all for the 2nd Amendment, but reasonable regulations need to be made to help curtail gun-related crimes. Licenses are a perfectly reasonable form of regulation.
Guns don't kill people - bullets kill people.
The NRA is so focused on guns, right now, if the Feds just bought up or even just seized ammo, the NRA would be caught flat footed.
What is the best thing you could do with a gun that has no ammo? Throw it at someone's face?
Guns don't kill people - bullets kill people.Obviously you have never heard of the... BAYONET!!!
The NRA is so focused on guns, right now, if the Feds just bought up or even just seized ammo, the NRA would be caught flat footed.
What is the best thing you could do with a gun that has no ammo? Throw it at someone's face?
His mental health problems were fully diagnosed, he had only had autism.
If you're going to stab, shoot, and run down over a dozen people, you pretty obviously have something wrong with your brain beyond being slightly autistic.True perhaps, but we still haven't figured out how to spot that little flaw in the wiring. Maybe it isn't a flaw or it's so common we can't see the forest for the trees. Basically all it took was for him to not see them as human and to not give a fuck about the consequences to himself. If your link is anything to go by, it occurs naturally without help 1:5, and with a bit of conditioning the numbers jump up to near universal (although you are going from a drafted army to a volunteer army which I would imagine skews the numbers by a goodly amount).
If you're going to stab, shoot, and run down over a dozen people, you pretty obviously have something wrong with your brain beyond being slightly autistic.
Scary as it sounds, I don't think there was that much wrong with him.
Actually...he was. He did not expect any resistance to his spree and people would just flee from him in terror until he could come kill them. He was the "alpha predator" after all.He was what? Mentally I'll or an entitled white cishet?
Ironbite-he also expected an army to spring up to help him and well...
Actually...he was. He did not expect any resistance to his spree and people would just flee from him in terror until he could come kill them. He was the "alpha predator" after all.
Ironbite-he also expected an army to spring up to help him and well...
Actually...he was. He did not expect any resistance to his spree and people would just flee from him in terror until he could come kill them. He was the "alpha predator" after all.
Ironbite-he also expected an army to spring up to help him and well...
If you look at the manifesto or plots or whatever of spree killers (the ones who actually plan their shit and talk about it, at least, like the Columbine kids), you'll notice that their plans are filled with what could charitably be called "delusions of grandeur." They expect to kill way more people than they end up killing and for their rampage to last for ages. They may even plan ahead with even grander schemes; Harris and Klebold alternated between fleeing to Mexico and hijacking an airliner to crash into a city.
One thing that still hasn't been totally figured out is why spree killers commit suicide so often. Theories include the killers being motivated by sudden shame or guilt after actually committing the act and self-punishing, as well as the theory that they feel such a sense of hopelessness at society or their lot in life that the spree killing is essentially a giant suicide attempt. The idea is that they already want to die, but are simultaneously fueled by hatred for the world around them. So it's a semi-literal killing two birds with one stone.