The Atheist should self censor.

[RinellaWasHere]

Okay my last response was rushed because I had class, Rinella, but I just want to clarify my position so it's more understandable. The Nazi Holocaust was the end result of multiple factors, which included racial, religious and political scapegoating of the Jewish people. Europe for centuries had been subjected to vicious anti-Jewish pogroms which stemmed from Christian anti-Judaism--Jews were often blamed for murdering Jesus, desecrating the Host and drinking the blood of Christian children, for example. Having studied the Holocaust I believe this type of thinking certainly had an impact in Germany, especially among everyday Germans. That Germany was already suffering from a wartime defeat and economic crisis made people even more willing to believe these lies. The Nazis also fused these anti-Jewish charges with racial animosity, with their constant calls for the preservation of the Aryan race against the "inferior" Jewish people. In order to study this type of event, you have to look at its totality. For example, it would be wrongheaded, in my opinion, to blame the September 11th attacks solely on Islamic fundamentalism and not examine the political causes of the event (or vice versa). Leaving out these details makes it harder to put such events in proper context. I hope that makes more sense.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I agree that we need to consider it a factor that allowed it to occur, and yes, to be honest, even partially motivated it. I just have a bit of a gut reaction to "Hitler was an X" discussions, probably born of knowing a few too many antitheists/fundies who like to say that the whole thing was because of his religious views. My bad.

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Okay my last response was rushed because I had class, Rinella, but I just want to clarify my position so it's more understandable. The Nazi Holocaust was the end result of multiple factors, which included racial, religious and political scapegoating of the Jewish people. Europe for centuries had been subjected to vicious anti-Jewish pogroms which stemmed from Christian anti-Judaism--Jews were often blamed for murdering Jesus, desecrating the Host and drinking the blood of Christian children, for example. Having studied the Holocaust I believe this type of thinking certainly had an impact in Germany, especially among everyday Germans. That Germany was already suffering from a wartime defeat and economic crisis made people even more willing to believe these lies. The Nazis also fused these anti-Jewish charges with racial animosity, with their constant calls for the preservation of the Aryan race against the "inferior" Jewish people. In order to study this type of event, you have to look at its totality. For example, it would be wrongheaded, in my opinion, to blame the September 11th attacks solely on Islamic fundamentalism and not examine the political causes of the event (or vice versa). Leaving out these details makes it harder to put such events in proper context. I hope that makes more sense.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I agree that we need to consider it a factor that allowed it to occur, and yes, to be honest, even partially motivated it. I just have a bit of a gut reaction to "Hitler was an X" discussions, probably born of knowing a few too many antitheists/fundies who like to say that the whole thing was because of his religious views. My bad.

It's understandable because it's a really loaded topic--and Godwin's Law exists for a reason

[Scotsgit]

or maybe the fact that they were Christian isn't important at all

It's only important in that part of Nazi reasoning was based on Christian anti-Semitism, and that AE's argument was that they were atheists.

Well let's put it to the test, shall we?

Contention 1: Islam is just Atheism in a funny costume.  The inherent hatred of Christ is alive in both groups.
Contention 2: The Holocaust was in large part due to the Atheist hatred of Jews and Christians

If these are both true, the Atheist community would be steadfast in its support of Palestine and highly critical of western support of Israel.

Funny, that's exactly what we see, eh?

"Go amongst those called Christians, for there you will always be welcome"  The Quran.  Now, if they were all atheists, why would they be directed to go amongst them?  Come to that, why would Muslims say "Allah Akhbar" which means "God is great"?

And therein lies the beauty of the whole arrangement.  Atheists wish to destroy christianity by driving people from it.  What better way to alienate people from a faith by creating a new group of violent primitive crazies and then declaring them to be related?  It's a classic example of a false-flag operation.

That has to be the stupidest pile of shite I've ever read.  Can you prove this?  Of course you can't, BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUCKING EVIDENCE OF THIS WHATSOEVER.

In fact, I'd like to hear your evidence, come on, cite some sources, show some proof or have a big cup of STFU.

[Star Cluster]

or maybe the fact that they were Christian isn't important at all

It's only important in that part of Nazi reasoning was based on Christian anti-Semitism, and that AE's argument was that they were atheists.

Well let's put it to the test, shall we?

Contention 1: Islam is just Atheism in a funny costume.  The inherent hatred of Christ is alive in both groups.
Contention 2: The Holocaust was in large part due to the Atheist hatred of Jews and Christians

If these are both true, the Atheist community would be steadfast in its support of Palestine and highly critical of western support of Israel.

Funny, that's exactly what we see, eh?

"Go amongst those called Christians, for there you will always be welcome"  The Quran.  Now, if they were all atheists, why would they be directed to go amongst them?  Come to that, why would Muslims say "Allah Akhbar" which means "God is great"?

And therein lies the beauty of the whole arrangement.  Atheists wish to destroy christianity by driving people from it.  What better way to alienate people from a faith by creating a new group of violent primitive crazies and then declaring them to be related?  It's a classic example of a false-flag operation.

That has to be the stupidest pile of shite I've ever read.  Can you prove this?  Of course you can't, BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUCKING EVIDENCE OF THIS WHATSOEVER.

In fact, I'd like to hear your evidence, come on, cite some sources, show some proof or have a big cup of STFU.

No, no.  Think of the brilliance of this.  Atheists came up with the Muslim faith hundreds of years before Christianity was founded just to destroy Christianity.  Why, it's just downright diabolical.

[davedan]

Um except Islam started 600 years after Christianity was started.

[Star Cluster]

Um except Islam started 600 years after Christianity was started.

Yeah, you're right.  I was thinking something else.  Brain-fart.  Give me 40 lashes.

[m52nickerson]

Well let's put it to the test, shall we?

Contention 1: Islam is just Atheism in a funny costume.  The inherent hatred of Christ is alive in both groups.
Contention 2: The Holocaust was in large part due to the Atheist hatred of Jews and Christians

If these are both true, the Atheist community would be steadfast in its support of Palestine and highly critical of western support of Israel.

Funny, that's exactly what we see, eh?

Contention 1: Shows you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

Contention 2: Add more evidence to the fact that you don't know what you are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

It seems these show you have no idea about what you are talking about...you're ignorant.

[davedan]

This is Swiftian in its brilliance. I want in.

Did you know that the Cannanites were Atheists as well? Ba'al was actually a god of nothing. Moloch was a god of abortion. That's why it was ok for the Israelites to fuck their shit up. Also the Amelkites had more partner swapping than Bonobos which is why it is ok to eradicate them.

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

This is Swiftian in its brilliance. I want in.

Did you know that the Cannanites were Atheists as well? Ba'al was actually a god of nothing. Moloch was a god of abortion. That's why it was ok for the Israelites to fuck their shit up. Also the Amelkites had more partner swapping than Bonobos which is why it is ok to eradicate them.

Satan was an atheist, which makes his war against no one during Armageddon all the more befuddling.

[Scotsgit]

Um except Islam started 600 years after Christianity was started.

So they created it and then didn't bring it into being until the time was right!

The plot thickens!

[davedan]

Um except Islam started 600 years after Christianity was started.

So they created it and then didn't bring it into being until the time was right!

The plot thickens!

I think you're onto something scotsgit. I think they probably did the same thing with Judaism. After all it's only aim is to distract people from the one true faith of Anglicanism. All hail Henry the VIII. Clearly the greatest of the prophets and the seal of the prophets.

[dpareja]

Um except Islam started 600 years after Christianity was started.

So they created it and then didn't bring it into being until the time was right!

The plot thickens!

I think you're onto something scotsgit. I think they probably did the same thing with Judaism. After all it's only aim is to distract people from the one true faith of Anglicanism. All hail Henry the VIII. Clearly the greatest of the prophets and the seal of the prophets.

Don't forget James VI & I.

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Thanks a lot, atheists.

[rookie]

And therein lies the beauty of the whole arrangement.  Atheists wish to destroy christianity by driving people from it.  What better way to alienate people from a faith by creating a new group of violent primitive crazies and then declaring them to be related?  It's a classic example of a false-flag operation.

Who wishes to destroy Christianity by driving people from it? Give names. Because most atheists I know don't care who you pray to, as long as you don't try to convert us. A good chunk of atheists don't hate Jesus of Nazareth any more than they hate Vishnu or Odin. A huge chunk of that good chunk don't even hate most followers of Jesus of Nazareth. The problem lies in that small minority of followers of Jesus of Nazareth who believe his words give them an excuse to be assholes.

[JohnE]

Um except Islam started 600 years after Christianity was started.

So they created it and then didn't bring it into being until the time was right!

The plot thickens!

I think you're onto something scotsgit. I think they probably did the same thing with Judaism. After all it's only aim is to distract people from the one true faith of Anglicanism. All hail Henry the VIII. Clearly the greatest of the prophets and the seal of the prophets.

Don't forget James VI & I.

It gets even better! Since everything that's not Christianity is atheism, and atheism is really satan worship, and satan worship acknowledges God and Jesus as it rebels against them...

Everyone is a Christian!