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Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« on: February 01, 2012, 03:47:41 pm »
Courtesy of Haper's Canada, the Ministry of Transportation has banned transgender people from planes:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/01/the-flying-menace-canada-bans-transgender-people-from-boarding-airplanes/

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In a major dick move, Canadian Minister of Transportation Denis Lebel, used his position to discriminate against an entire group of people. The new discrimination-friendly section of the Identity Screening Regulations is as follows:

5.2 (1) An air carrier shall not transport a passenger if …
(c) the passenger does not appear to be of the gender indicated on the identification he or she presents;

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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 04:06:23 pm »
Hell, it doesn’t even just target transgender people. Cisgenger individuals who, for one reason or another, do not appear to the airline staff to match the gender on the ID would also be blocked.

Has the guy even tried to justify this rule other than the usual “transgenders are icky” bullshit?
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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 05:03:49 pm »
Well, they did leave it up to the judgement of the airline crew. So this could easily be turned against... well, anyone.
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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 05:23:26 pm »
Has the guy even tried to justify this rule other than the usual “transgenders are icky” bullshit?

As far as I can tell, it's to prevent people "sneaking in," though why terrorists would cross-dress when they could just as easily get an actual woman to plant the bombs is beyond me. Not to mention that a cross-dressing Islamist terrorist would probably wear a burqa, meaning you wouldn't see their face to check to see if they look female or not.

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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2012, 05:35:38 pm »
Has the guy even tried to justify this rule other than the usual “transgenders are icky” bullshit?

As far as I can tell, it's to prevent people "sneaking in," though why terrorists would cross-dress when they could just as easily get an actual woman to plant the bombs is beyond me. Not to mention that a cross-dressing Islamist terrorist would probably wear a burqa, meaning you wouldn't see their face to check to see if they look female or not.
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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2012, 05:36:31 pm »
Like I said on Slutwalk's Facebook post about this story, "I'm a terrible person; I so want to make a transatlantic joke right now."

Also CANADA STOP TRYING TO BE MORE AMERICAN THAN AMERICA. SERIOUSLY. STOP.

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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2012, 06:02:21 pm »
Dammit Canada you're supposed to be better then us

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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 06:25:09 pm »
This is disgusting, plain, outright bigotry.

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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 06:47:29 pm »
Okay I'm not Canadian but I emailed rick mercer hoping he can do a rant so maybe if you guys join we can make a difference

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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 06:56:47 pm »
You know, until recently my brother had long hair (about down to his shoulders), and he has fine features that means he's mistaken for a girl sometimes. And he's cisgender.

Are some Canadians going to kick him off his flight?
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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2012, 06:58:13 pm »
Well there's a good reason for me to not visit Canada. Shit, I thought the US's hat was better than that.
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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2012, 07:27:21 pm »
Just wondering, can you change your gender on the passports or other IDs?

Has the guy even tried to justify this rule other than the usual “transgenders are icky” bullshit?

As far as I can tell, it's to prevent people "sneaking in," though why terrorists would cross-dress when they could just as easily get an actual woman to plant the bombs is beyond me. Not to mention that a cross-dressing Islamist terrorist would probably wear a burqa, meaning you wouldn't see their face to check to see if they look female or not.

And isn't it against their book to cross dress?
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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2012, 01:06:05 am »
Just wondering, can you change your gender on the passports or other IDs?

Yes, but it can be difficult and is not always something a transgernder can easily do. Some countries will only allow a post operative transsexual to change their documentation, in more extreme cases the transsexual even needs a certificate of notification from the surgeon to do it. In most countries though this is not the case. Most countries will allow documentation to be changed provided the transgender person provides 2 separate doctors letters claiming them to be transgender and currently undergoing treatment. Some places require that the transgender person also be undergoing hormone replacement therapy to change their documentation in addition to the letters.

Part of the problem though is that in transitioning there are phases and time limits. In order to start hormone therapy a real life test must be undertaken which is a minimum of six months. During this time the person in question has to live their daily live like their preferred gender at all times. However, they would also not be eligible for documentation changes yet. As such this Canadian rule will directly discriminate against them and there is nothing they can effectively do about it.

Things like this really piss me of, I really thought Canada was far more accepting and tolerant than this.

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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2012, 01:08:29 am »
Just wondering, can you change your gender on the passports or other IDs?

Has the guy even tried to justify this rule other than the usual “transgenders are icky” bullshit?

As far as I can tell, it's to prevent people "sneaking in," though why terrorists would cross-dress when they could just as easily get an actual woman to plant the bombs is beyond me. Not to mention that a cross-dressing Islamist terrorist would probably wear a burqa, meaning you wouldn't see their face to check to see if they look female or not.

And isn't it against their book to cross dress?

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Re: Transgender people banned from Canadian planes
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2012, 02:35:56 am »
Ok... So are they trying to prevent people sneaking in by using an ID that belongs to a different person -of diffenrent gender even? In that case simply saying

"5.2 (1) An air carrier shall not transport a passenger if …
(c) the passenger does not appear to be the person indicated on the identification he or she presents;"

There. If you have "Mrs. Doubtfire" trying to enter Canada with a false passport this law would catch him but it would give transgender people chance to board a plane.
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