Violence at Berkeley

[davedan]

Your link goes to an article about how the 'black block anarchists' were actually opposed to the Occupy movement. So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?

Are you worried about misogynists delegitimatizing the feminist movement?

Who said they were one and the same?

You did. Hence the direct question.

No, I didn't. I said their actions discredited Occupy. That doesn't require the two "groups" (I use that term loosely, because Black Bloc actually refers to a tactic, not a group) to be synonymous.

Ok so the answer to my first question: "So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?" - Is: yes I am worried about groups (or two groups using different tactics) discrediting/ delegitimizing groups that they are not a part of.

Is the answer to the second question yes as well?

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

No, I didn't. I said their actions discredited Occupy. That doesn't require the two "groups" (I use that term loosely, because Black Bloc actually refers to a tactic, not a group) to be synonymous.

Dunno what protests you've been going to but the Black Blockers are usually the same gang of kids that took their punk rock way to seriously and wanna get to the Anarchy and petrol bombs part while skipping all of that boring politics adult shit. They only call it a "tactic" because they're part of a subculture that has no rules man, or tactics. Shit, it's better than being called an "organisation" or worse yet, a party.

Your socialist, green and anarchists who actually read books grouplets don't use the "tactic" because the people doing it are the same bunch of idiots that show up and every demo.

[Lana Reverse]

Your link goes to an article about how the 'black block anarchists' were actually opposed to the Occupy movement. So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?

Are you worried about misogynists delegitimatizing the feminist movement?

Who said they were one and the same?

You did. Hence the direct question.

No, I didn't. I said their actions discredited Occupy. That doesn't require the two "groups" (I use that term loosely, because Black Bloc actually refers to a tactic, not a group) to be synonymous.

Ok so the answer to my first question: "So you are worried that groups are going to be delegitimized by other people who aren't part of them?" - Is: yes I am worried about groups (or two groups using different tactics) discrediting/ delegitimizing groups that they are not a part of.

Is the answer to the second question yes as well?

Yes. Should I not be?

[davedan]

Sounds like handwringing to me. What are feminists, for instance, meant to do about misogynists delegitimizing their movement? What are/ were civil rights activists meant to do about Black Separatists?

Seems to me that the biggest problem they face is simple-minded or ill-intentioned people lumping them all together.

[Lana Reverse]

Sounds like handwringing to me. What are feminists, for instance, meant to do about misogynists delegitimizing their movement? What are/ were civil rights activists meant to do about Black Separatists?

Seems to me that the biggest problem they face is simple-minded or ill-intentioned people lumping them all together.

AFAIK, there aren't any misogynists trying to infiltrate feminist groups. The article is titled "The Cancer In Occupy", after all.

[davedan]

Sounds like handwringing to me. What are feminists, for instance, meant to do about misogynists delegitimizing their movement? What are/ were civil rights activists meant to do about Black Separatists?

Seems to me that the biggest problem they face is simple-minded or ill-intentioned people lumping them all together.

AFAIK, there aren't any misogynists trying to infiltrate feminist groups. The article is titled "The Cancer In Occupy", after all.

So you are back to saying they are one and the same? OK fine.

[Lana Reverse]

Sounds like handwringing to me. What are feminists, for instance, meant to do about misogynists delegitimizing their movement? What are/ were civil rights activists meant to do about Black Separatists?

Seems to me that the biggest problem they face is simple-minded or ill-intentioned people lumping them all together.

AFAIK, there aren't any misogynists trying to infiltrate feminist groups. The article is titled "The Cancer In Occupy", after all.

So you are back to saying they are one and the same? OK fine.

Why does it have to be one or the other?

[davedan]

I'm just trying to understand your alleged fears but you keep answering questions with irrelevant questions.

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

Sounds like handwringing to me. What are feminists, for instance, meant to do about misogynists delegitimizing their movement? What are/ were civil rights activists meant to do about Black Separatists?

Seems to me that the biggest problem they face is simple-minded or ill-intentioned people lumping them all together.

AFAIK, there aren't any misogynists trying to infiltrate feminist groups. The article is titled "The Cancer In Occupy", after all.

Someone has never heard of free bleeding.

Hm, I think I've seen this use of the Socratic Method as a purely defensive tactic to fend off unwanted conversations before.

[The_Queen]

I'm just trying to understand your alleged fears but you keep answering questions with irrelevant questions.

WHO KILLED BIGGIE AND TUPAC?

[The_Queen]

I'm just trying to understand your alleged fears but you keep answering questions with irrelevant questions.

WHO KILLED BIGGIE AND TUPAC?

WHERE IS WALDO?

[Lana Reverse]

Sounds like handwringing to me. What are feminists, for instance, meant to do about misogynists delegitimizing their movement? What are/ were civil rights activists meant to do about Black Separatists?

Seems to me that the biggest problem they face is simple-minded or ill-intentioned people lumping them all together.

AFAIK, there aren't any misogynists trying to infiltrate feminist groups. The article is titled "The Cancer In Occupy", after all.

Someone has never heard of free bleeding.

Hm, I think I've seen this use of the Socratic Method as a purely defensive tactic to fend off unwanted conversations before.

You have a rather... loose definition of infiltration. I don't think tricking people into doing gross things is necessarily infiltration.

On a side note, I just realized I had a gigantic brain fart regarding Dave's second question. Just to clear up any confusion: no, I'm not really concerned about misogynists discrediting feminism. Too bad I didn't realize that earlier. With that in mind, I also realize I could have been a little more forthcoming with my responses.

[davedan]

I'm just trying to understand your alleged fears but you keep answering questions with irrelevant questions.

WHO KILLED BIGGIE AND TUPAC?

WHERE IS WALDO?

Why do you think Tupac's dead?

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

I'm just trying to understand your alleged fears but you keep answering questions with irrelevant questions.

WHO KILLED BIGGIE AND TUPAC?

WHERE IS WALDO?

Why do you think Tupac's dead?

Why do you think Waldo is hiding?

What do you have against Waldo?

I don't think tricking people into doing gross things is necessarily infiltration.

And if convincing people you are on their side under false pretenses isn't infiltration I don't know what is!

[The_Queen]

Sounds like handwringing to me. What are feminists, for instance, meant to do about misogynists delegitimizing their movement? What are/ were civil rights activists meant to do about Black Separatists?

Seems to me that the biggest problem they face is simple-minded or ill-intentioned people lumping them all together.

AFAIK, there aren't any misogynists trying to infiltrate feminist groups. The article is titled "The Cancer In Occupy", after all.

Someone has never heard of free bleeding.

Hm, I think I've seen this use of the Socratic Method as a purely defensive tactic to fend off unwanted conversations before.

You have a rather... loose definition of infiltration. I don't think tricking people into doing gross things is necessarily infiltration.

On a side note, I just realized I had a gigantic brain fart regarding Dave's second question. Just to clear up any confusion: no, I'm not really concerned about misogynists discrediting feminism. Too bad I didn't realize that earlier. With that in mind, I also realize I could have been a little more forthcoming with my responses.

WHAT YOU TALKING BOUT, WILLIS?