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Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« on: March 14, 2012, 11:25:01 pm »
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-03/russian-and-korean-researchers-will-inject-mammoth-dna-elephant-eggs-resurrecting-10000-year-old-beast

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First a plant from the past sprouted new life — now researchers in Russia and South Korea are moving forward with a plan to resurrect the Ice Age woolly mammoth. Scientists in both countries inked a deal Tuesday to share technology and research that could lead to the birth of a mammoth clone, gestated in a surrogate Indian elephant mother.

I have say this sounds awesome, if this works out, who knows what kind of critters from the past we could resurrect in the future

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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 11:31:10 pm »
Haven't people been trying to clone a mammoth for quite a while now? I thought the problem was there wasn't any viable DNA. If this is possible, what will be surrogate parent for the T-Rex, Velociraptor, and triceratops?
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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 11:36:33 pm »
Do we really want to clone T-Rexs and velociraptors, though?  Scenes from Jurassic Park are playing in my mind......

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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 11:37:41 pm »
Haven't people been trying to clone a mammoth for quite a while now? I thought the problem was there wasn't any viable DNA. If this is possible, what will be surrogate parent for the T-Rex, Velociraptor, and triceratops?

A Komodo Dragon maybe??

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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 11:59:46 pm »
Do we really want to clone T-Rexs and velociraptors, though?  Scenes from Jurassic Park are playing in my mind......

Yes, yes we do. Just don't be stupid about it.
Besides, want a velociraptor that's trained to let me ride it . I'm aware the Jurassic Park ones aren't accurate in size, but we can fuck with their genes until they're big enough.

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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2012, 05:13:45 am »
We want it, but sadly it's a bit harder getting velociraptor DNA than mammoth.  Mammoths are relatively recently extinct.  There are enough well-preserved specimens that getting intact DNA is not terribly unlikely.  Anything much older than mammoths (or from places where they wouldn't remain frozen year-round) wouldn't have DNA we could use for cloning purposes.
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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 06:23:57 am »
Mmm. And people wonder why I'm stockpiling ammo.
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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 06:52:47 pm »
Haven't people been trying to clone a mammoth for quite a while now? I thought the problem was there wasn't any viable DNA. If this is possible, what will be surrogate parent for the T-Rex, Velociraptor, and triceratops?

A Komodo Dragon maybe??

Sorry if I'm offending anyone, just a pet peeve of mine here. Komodo Dragons are not even remotely closely related to dinosaurs and never have been. Komodo Dragons are just giant monitor lizards (and thus no more closely related to dinosaurs than most other reptiles), not some last-of-their-kind dinosaur branch.

Also, no DNA is likely to have survived for over 65 million years; the molecules are just too unstable, as supported by the fact that mammoth DNA is heavily damaged after only a few thousand years.

And even if dinosaurs could be resurrected, they were still just animals, not hyperintelligent Hollywood superpredators.
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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2012, 07:33:26 pm »
It would be nice to own a woolly mammoth. You'd be the talk of the neighborhood.
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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2012, 09:58:10 pm »
Do we really want to clone T-Rexs and velociraptors, though?  Scenes from Jurassic Park are playing in my mind......

That would be virtually impossible. We are lucky to get any DNA samples from mammoths or neanderthals. Dinosaurs bone are so old there are no DNA in them.
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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 11:39:38 pm »
Haven't people been trying to clone a mammoth for quite a while now? I thought the problem was there wasn't any viable DNA. If this is possible, what will be surrogate parent for the T-Rex, Velociraptor, and triceratops?

A Komodo Dragon maybe??

Sorry if I'm offending anyone, just a pet peeve of mine here. Komodo Dragons are not even remotely closely related to dinosaurs and never have been. Komodo Dragons are just giant monitor lizards (and thus no more closely related to dinosaurs than most other reptiles), not some last-of-their-kind dinosaur branch.

Also, no DNA is likely to have survived for over 65 million years; the molecules are just too unstable, as supported by the fact that mammoth DNA is heavily damaged after only a few thousand years.

And even if dinosaurs could be resurrected, they were still just animals, not hyperintelligent Hollywood superpredators.

It's ok, no offense taken, I didn't mean for it to come off that they are last of their kind dinosaur branch. I only mentioned them due to their size, and I just assumed that some type of large reptile would serve as a surrogate.

That being said, I want the Dodo bird to come back

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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2012, 11:49:29 pm »
Do we really want to clone T-Rexs and velociraptors, though?  Scenes from Jurassic Park are playing in my mind......

That would be virtually impossible. We are lucky to get any DNA samples from mammoths or neanderthals. Dinosaurs bone are so old there are no DNA in them.

You mean Jurassic Park wasn't scientifically accurate?  And here I've been fearing the dinosaur apocalypse this whole time.....  What in the world am I going to do with all of the T-Rex sized bear traps I've set-up all around my house?

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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2012, 01:48:14 am »
Haven't people been trying to clone a mammoth for quite a while now? I thought the problem was there wasn't any viable DNA. If this is possible, what will be surrogate parent for the T-Rex, Velociraptor, and triceratops?

A Komodo Dragon maybe??

Sorry if I'm offending anyone, just a pet peeve of mine here. Komodo Dragons are not even remotely closely related to dinosaurs and never have been. Komodo Dragons are just giant monitor lizards (and thus no more closely related to dinosaurs than most other reptiles), not some last-of-their-kind dinosaur branch.

Also, no DNA is likely to have survived for over 65 million years; the molecules are just too unstable, as supported by the fact that mammoth DNA is heavily damaged after only a few thousand years.

And even if dinosaurs could be resurrected, they were still just animals, not hyperintelligent Hollywood superpredators.

It's ok, no offense taken, I didn't mean for it to come off that they are last of their kind dinosaur branch. I only mentioned them due to their size, and I just assumed that some type of large reptile would serve as a surrogate.

That being said, I want the Dodo bird to come back
It's fine. Reptiles tend to suffer from being an unnatural group. Sort of like protists, reptiles are "leftover ancestors" that lie at the base of the mammal and bird lineages in sort of a haphazard pile. While they may seem near-identical on the outside, internally they're quite different. The internal organs of a Komodo Dragon are very different from those of a crocodile, for instance, with the crocodile's anatomy being much closer to that of a bird.

Surprised? Crocs are much more closely related to birds (through dinosaurs, of course) than they are to lizards. The main reason they look more like lizards is because they split off from dinosaurs rather early and went with a niche that didn't require too much change after they'd settled in. Actually, the ancestors of crocodiles were much more lightly built and active than their modern-day descendants. I'll leave you with a reconstruction of Euparkeria, a little reptile close to the common ancestry of crocodiles and dinosaurs.
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/images/taxa/verts/euparkeria_skeleton.gif

EDIT: I'd like to see the Dodo come back too. They're just so awkward it's cute.
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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2012, 01:55:19 am »
They're also delicious, or so I've heard anyway.

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Re: Resurrecting the Woolly Mammoth
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2012, 03:46:17 am »
Haven't people been trying to clone a mammoth for quite a while now? I thought the problem was there wasn't any viable DNA. If this is possible, what will be surrogate parent for the T-Rex, Velociraptor, and triceratops?

A Komodo Dragon maybe??

Well, as long as it doesn't have a thermonuclear breath-weapon, I won't complain. :P