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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2012, 12:51:48 am »
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"Sites like The Pirate Bay destroy jobs in the UK and undermine investment in new British artists," the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) said.

I read that as "British Pornographic Industry."

Carry on.

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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2012, 01:07:41 am »
Fucking proxies, how do they work?

This seems about as well thought out as the Internet filters my school uses. It blocks google but I can still access hardcore porn quite easily. Once I was using Askkids.com(one of the search engines the filter allows because it's supposed to be kid friendly) and searched something normal(I think it was "boredom") and got pictures of Satan masturbating ???.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2012, 09:26:04 am »
Virgin Media put the block into place today...and god is it persistent. Changing DNS servers doesn't help and current proxy tests are bringing up nothing. Will need to run more tests.

Edit: tried another proxy, working perfectly. Time taken to bypass block: less than 5 minutes.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2012, 12:45:11 pm »
HAHAHAHAHAHHA!

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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 02:23:10 pm »
Virgin Media put the block into place today...and god is it persistent. Changing DNS servers doesn't help and current proxy tests are bringing up nothing. Will need to run more tests.

Edit: tried another proxy, working perfectly. Time taken to bypass block: less than 5 minutes.

I have only one reply to this:  http://mafiaafire.com/

Go to that site and check out the tools they have.

And anyway, I'm not inclined to believe that piracy is anywhere near as big a problem as the big media lobbies say it is.  In fact, the media lobby and trade groups are part of the problem:  in the USA and elsewhere, they have continued lobbying for copyright term extensions, which increase their revenues at the expense of consumers.

Copyright may have been a good idea at one point, but the way it is used now is mere corporate welfare.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 02:55:06 pm »
Copyright may have been a good idea at one point, but the way it is used now is mere corporate welfare.

Not for nothing but when you pay the tens of thousand to hundreds of millions of dollars to fund a feature film, pay for the studio time or musicians to record an album, hire the artists to create a comic book, or produce a photograph/painting, then you can decide how it's distributed and for how much. To call all copyright protection "mere corporate welfare" is fucking idiotic.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 02:58:54 pm »
Copyright may have been a good idea at one point, but the way it is used now is mere corporate welfare.

Not for nothing but when you pay the tens of thousand to hundreds of millions of dollars to fund a feature film, pay for the studio time or musicians to record an album, hire the artists to create a comic book, or produce a photograph/painting, then you can decide how it's distributed and for how much. To call all copyright protection "mere corporate welfare" is fucking idiotic.

Right, because copyright is the only way for studios/producers to recoup their investment.   ::)

We as consumers are not morally obligated to prop up a business model made obsolete by technology.  And frankly, even if piracy does take away some of the ROI of the entertainment industry, it's still not the end of the world, as investment capital will then flow toward enterprises which are more productive and/or offer a better rate of return.

The current US copyright regime is protectionism, plain and simple.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2012, 03:10:16 pm »
Right, because copyright is the only way for studios/producers to recoup their investment.   ::)

No, but charging money for it is. Even the "pay what you want" model implies that some transaction of funds is expected. Piracy involves no transaction of money. In fact, the lack of copyright protection would be a worse model than we have now. The second anything was released to the public, any idiot could copy it and sell it without having to kick any money back to the people who actually produced it or own it.

If a given artist wants to give away their product for free, that's their (and their investors') business. Copyright allows that. Getting rid of the concept of ownership of art/concepts entirely is batshit insane. 

We as consumers are not morally obligated to prop up a business model made obsolete by technology.

What business model are you referring to? Producers have made their products available in both hard copy and digital format for the better part of ten years. We can argue about the fairness of digital pricing (some stuff is pretty fair - $4.99 for an older movie on Amazon - some of it less so - $1.29 for a song), but they're adapting.If the business model you're referring to is expecting people to pay for shit, then you're an asshole.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 03:39:20 pm »
+1 to Kit, plain and simple. Xyzzy or whatever the fuck his name is is about one step away from every "moral right to pirate" argument that makes my piss boil. Any time someone says they have some justification (or worse, obligation - at least you haven't gone that far) I just wanna slap that dumbass in the face. Just because it's easier than ever to steal something doesn't make it right, or okay, or anything else. It's still wrong, it still screws over the people who put their effort into making it. And I'm not sitting on a high horse here, claiming I've never done it. I have, on occasion, but at least I'm able to admit that I was wrong in doing so. Yeah, I made it up, sort of, by buying the items in question when I could, but that doesn't make it right. Honestly, I'd have less of a problem with piracy if people who do it admit the following:

"I really want this item, but I don't have a means of paying for it. Taking it without paying is wrong, but I'm going to do it anyway, because I want it."

That's really the heart of what piracy is. And don't even get me started about restrictive DRM, particularly in video games. Yeah, it sucks. It's almost draconian at times. But you know something? You numbnuts that keep pirating shit? You're the reason it exists. If a good game has that kind of DRM and you don't like it, do what I do - don't buy it, and don't pirate it. You're just justifying to them, when you pirate and break their DRM, that they're justified in doing what they do. Or if you're gonna break the DRM, at least do it with a legally bought copy. For fuck's sake.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2012, 04:03:58 pm »
+1 to Kit, plain and simple. Xyzzy or whatever the fuck his name is is about one step away from every "moral right to pirate" argument that makes my piss boil. Any time someone says they have some justification (or worse, obligation - at least you haven't gone that far) I just wanna slap that dumbass in the face. Just because it's easier than ever to steal something doesn't make it right, or okay, or anything else. It's still wrong, it still screws over the people who put their effort into making it. And I'm not sitting on a high horse here, claiming I've never done it. I have, on occasion, but at least I'm able to admit that I was wrong in doing so. Yeah, I made it up, sort of, by buying the items in question when I could, but that doesn't make it right. Honestly, I'd have less of a problem with piracy if people who do it admit the following:

"I really want this item, but I don't have a means of paying for it. Taking it without paying is wrong, but I'm going to do it anyway, because I want it."

That's really the heart of what piracy is. And don't even get me started about restrictive DRM, particularly in video games. Yeah, it sucks. It's almost draconian at times. But you know something? You numbnuts that keep pirating shit? You're the reason it exists. If a good game has that kind of DRM and you don't like it, do what I do - don't buy it, and don't pirate it. You're just justifying to them, when you pirate and break their DRM, that they're justified in doing what they do. Orif you're gonna break the DRM, at least do it with a legally bought copy. For fuck's sake.

(Ignoring that pirates tend to find ways to get around DRM in a matter of days or weeks)

You should be allowed to legitimately disable the DRM on legal copies in every game with DRM (though it'd probably cost extra, because let's be realistic here, they're already charging for shit that's already in the game, why wouldn't they do this?)

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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 04:04:48 pm »
I'm not suggesting that we get rid of copyright altogether.  I'm saying that the system has been used and abused by big media.  The DMCA is but one example of this. Furthermore, the media industry is so concentrated that it makes cartels possible, so that price fixing for CDs and e-books has become a problem (and will continue to be).

Guess what, musicians don't get all that much from CD sales anyway (unless they are independent and control their own product--most of them aren't).  Most movies (at least the big Hollywood productions) succeed or fail on their opening weekends, when people pay upwards of $10 to sit in theaters and watch 20 minutes of commercials before the movie even begins.  Those people who pirate such goods may not have the means or the desire to pay for what they copy anyway--the economy sucks, and the quantity of movies/music released is greater than quality, so the "lost sales" argument is weak, at best.  And let's not forget that some of the very same people who speak out against media piracy have actually benefited from it in the past.  Metallica, who got Napster shut down, would never have gotten as big as they are had it not been for the tape-trading in the underground metal community.

Lobbying for copyright term extensions and more aggressive enforcement by governments is much the same as price-fixing in that it is pure rent-seeking, unrelated to productivity.  Why should a guy like myself, who just recently got a job in this shitty economy, care if some Hollywood executive has a few less bucks to spend on hookers and blow.  I don't pirate everything I watch or listen to.  I try to support those musicians and artists I like, when I can.  But I'll be goddamned if I'm going to spend my hard-earned dollars supporting an industry that lobbies for shit like SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, CISPA, and so forth.

Go ahead, tell me how wrong I am.  Call me all the names you like.  But the intellectual property system (particularly copyrights and patents), like most other areas of law in the USA, is broken and needs reform badly.

What's next, are you people going to tell me that libraries are killing the publishing industry, and that the VCR will destroy the big movie studios?
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2012, 04:19:56 pm »
And congratulations! You have successfully made the same argument every pirate ever makes when they get butthurt over the fact that someone pointed out that, hey, it's kinda wrong to do what you're doing. Allow me to sum up your post:

1. Sales people price fix, so it's okay to steal.
2. Artists don't get paid much, so it's okay to steal (hint: They get paid substantially less by theft than a legal purchase)
3. "Don't have the means or desire to pay" I'm poor or don't want to pay, so it's okay to steal.
4. The people who produce the shit I want are wealthy, so it's okay to steal.
5. They extend copyrights, so it's okay to steal.

No... it's not. And no, I'm not a fan of corporations screwing over artists to churn out bigger profits. I'm not a fan of DRM. I'm not a fan of ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, FUCKA or whatever else comes next. They piss me off about as much as you do. But to claim you have any moral high ground when you do what you do is fucking ridiculous. I'm sorry the economy sucks. I've felt its sting as well. I can't even get a job, because the unemployment rate for 18-25 year olds is 25%, and that's just the people who haven't given up on it. Shit, I'm not even unsympathetic to people who actually do pirate - but to sit here and tell me that the economy magically absolves you of your wrongdoing is bullshit. It's bullshit, and I won't eat it; stop trying to feed it to me.

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Go ahead, tell me how wrong I am.  Call me all the names you like.

I will. You are wrong, and you're a pirate and a thief. Qualify it in whatever flowery words you want, keep doing it, I don't give a shit. But it's wrong and you know it is, else you and everyone else wouldn't feel the need to justify it to the rest of us.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2012, 04:44:28 pm »
A lot of the stuff I've downloaded is not even commercially available (or at least, not available in the USA), so no sales were lost.  Does that still make me a thief?

I've compiled mix CDs for friends who want to get into new music.  Does that make me a thief?

I haven't deprived anyone of the possession, title, or usage of any of their own media.  Does that make me a thief?

We all find ways to skirt the law, whether it's copying movies and music for a friend, smoking a joint, or just fucking jaywalking.  It's a risk/reward calculation.  I'm just being a realist about it.  The big boys play their games...and we play ours.

You picked the wrong place to peddle your version of morality, amigo.

(Oh, and you never did address my argument about investment capital flowing elsewhere, which IMO can only be a good thing.  Your move.)
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2012, 06:01:50 pm »
I'm not suggesting that we get rid of copyright altogether.  I'm saying that the system has been used and abused by big media.  The DMCA is but one example of this.
Except you said this:
Copyright may have been a good idea at one point, but the way it is used now is mere corporate welfare.

Now, forgive me if this isn't what you meant, when people say "X used to serve a purpose, but now it just does this negative thing" they're traditionally arguing that whatever they're talking about is no longer necessary at all. I agree that copyright law needs reformation - quit with the extensions, expand what counts as fair use, etc - in order to properly work within the digital age (as opposed to solely trying to force the digital age to work within it). I also feel that media companies need to work harder to meet the consumer halfway - Star Trek II presumably turned a profit decades ago, why does a digital copy of it cost $4.99? There might actually be good reasons, but pricing transparency might be nice - but the fact is that piracy is still taking something that you do not have the right to distribute and distributing it as you see fit. If Marvel Studios decided that it wanted to release The Avengers to the Pirate Bay tonight at midnight, that would be their right (though Disney, Paramount, and movie theater owners would have a collective aneurism) because they made it and they own the characters.

There is also an inherent difference between making a mix CD and putting a work up on a torrent site - mass production. Your mix CD goes to one person, a torrent can reach millions upon millions of people. It is the difference between giving your kid a beer every so often and reselling beer to minors out of the trunk of your car. Both are illegal, both would be considered immoral by some, but the reach and scale of the former makes it almost impossible that anyone will ever care. Also:

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ost movies (at least the big Hollywood productions) succeed or fail on their opening weekends, when people pay upwards of $10 to sit in theaters and watch 20 minutes of commercials before the movie even begins.  Those people who pirate such goods may not have the means or the desire to pay for what they copy anyway--the economy sucks, and the quantity of movies/music released is greater than quality, so the "lost sales" argument is weak, at best.
1) If someone feels a work has value but is unwilling to pay for that value, they're a cockface. In my opinion.
2) The twenty minutes of commercials is what is helping keep snack and ticket prices at their current level. No, I don't like them, but I like them more than the alternative.
3) While a film is considered a "success" or "failure" based on its opening day, that doesn't mean it can never turn a profit. There may come a day where, between syndication and DVD sales, John Carter turns a profit for Disney. So the "they're a success or failure on opening weekend, therefore piracy is OK" argument smells like bullshit to me.

I have no problem with people who are god damned honest about what they're doing. Don't be fucking proud of piracy,\ or try to come up with moral or economic justifications for it. Admit you pirate, that it's illegal, that you probably shouldn't be doing it, that there might come a day where you may have to face the consequences, but that you don't really care right now. Forget the sticking it to the man bullshit, if you were really sticking it to the man you wouldn't be consuming his art.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2012, 06:03:32 pm »
For those of you who still think that I'm some sort of horrible baby-eating monster for suggesting that copying/downloading media isn't that big a deal (again, I never said it was "right" or "good"), I submit the following:

http://onecandleinthedark.blogspot.com/

http://www.filmon.com/cbsyousuck/

These websites document how CBS and other major content providers actively aided and abetted media piracy.

If you don't think that copyright infringement is being used as a wedge issue to increase the the market share and political influence of the large media companies, then you clearly haven't been paying attention.
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