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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: Vanto on May 15, 2020, 11:16:41 pm
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809)
Funny how Germany has tried so hard to not go Nazi again... and yet just can't resist restricting people's rights.
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Makes perfect sense to me. They decided that just outlawing the burning of German flags and only German flags didn't make sense, so burning flags period is outlawed.
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Denmark takes the opposite approach (to what Germany used to take): they only outlaw burning non-Danish flags. Burning the Danish flag is free speech, period, full stop. Burning other flags, on the other hand, potentially impacts on Danish foreign policy, which is an exclusive prerogative of the government.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809)
Funny how Germany has tried so hard to not go Nazi again... and yet just can't resist restricting people's rights.
Not a fan of your insinuation that modern-day Germany is just oh-so-tempted to rip off the mask and unfurl the swastika again and that they have to physically try not to do so. No one in Germany or in any other country for that matter (with the United States as the sole exception) has the "right" to burn a national symbol in effigy. There's no "right" there to restrict.
While we're here I would just like to ask, why are you so eager to toss out the Nazi card the moment the German government does something you don't like? Like, you didn't even wait a post.
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Makes perfect sense to me. They decided that just outlawing the burning of German flags and only German flags didn't make sense, so burning flags period is outlawed.
Consistency is not that much of a virtue when what you're consistent about is a bad idea in the first place.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809)
Funny how Germany has tried so hard to not go Nazi again... and yet just can't resist restricting people's rights.
Not a fan of your insinuation that modern-day Germany is just oh-so-tempted to rip off the mask and unfurl the swastika again and that they have to physically try not to do so. No one in Germany or in any other country for that matter (with the United States as the sole exception) has the "right" to burn a national symbol in effigy. There's no "right" there to restrict.
While we're here I would just like to ask, why are you so eager to toss out the Nazi card the moment the German government does something you don't like? Like, you didn't even wait a post.
https://constitutional.findlaw.ca/article/is-it-illegal-to-burn-the-canadian-flag/
Flag burning is protected speech in Canada.
I've also seen references to flag burning being legal in places such as Belgium, Denmark (as noted, domestic flag only), Japan (ditto), possibly Australia, possibly Ireland, possibly Romania, and sometimes Switzerland (you can burn your own Swiss flag, but you can't burn one on a government building).
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K so it's not ok to burn a flag in Germany. Guess that's a short step to gassing people because they pray to god in a certain way.
Ironbite-you fucking moron.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809)
Funny how Germany has tried so hard to not go Nazi again... and yet just can't resist restricting people's rights.
Not a fan of your insinuation that modern-day Germany is just oh-so-tempted to rip off the mask and unfurl the swastika again and that they have to physically try not to do so. No one in Germany or in any other country for that matter (with the United States as the sole exception) has the "right" to burn a national symbol in effigy. There's no "right" there to restrict.
While we're here I would just like to ask, why are you so eager to toss out the Nazi card the moment the German government does something you don't like? Like, you didn't even wait a post.
I was being facetious.
K so it's not ok to burn a flag in Germany. Guess that's a short step to gassing people because they pray to god in a certain way.
Ironbite-you fucking moron.
No need to be rude.
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But you implying that Germany is going Nazi and is opressing people isn't rude?
False politeness while saying hateful things is just a bullshit way to try to prevent others from retaliating to your insults.
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But you implying that Germany is going Nazi and is opressing people isn't rude?
False politeness while saying hateful things is just a bullshit way to try to prevent others from retaliating to your insults.
There's a difference between dark jokes about a government's authoritarian measures and calling someone a "fucking moron" over a bit of facetiousness. I don't get butthurt when people compare my president to a literal comic book supervillain, so what's the big deal?
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You came onto a left-leaning message board and thought you'd get a pass?
Ironbite-oh buddy...got news for you.
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But you implying that Germany is going Nazi and is opressing people isn't rude?
False politeness while saying hateful things is just a bullshit way to try to prevent others from retaliating to your insults.
There's a difference between dark jokes about a government's authoritarian measures and calling someone a "fucking moron" over a bit of facetiousness. I don't get butthurt when people compare my president to a literal comic book supervillain, so what's the big deal?
He's not even really our President. He VERY much belongs to Vladdy-daddy.
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You came onto a left-leaning message board and thought you'd get a pass?
Ironbite-oh buddy...got news for you.
Because being left-leaning means supporting arbitrary restrictions on freedom of expression?
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You came onto a left-leaning message board and thought you'd get a pass?
Ironbite-oh buddy...got news for you.
Because being left-leaning means supporting arbitrary restrictions on freedom of expression?
You're the only one here who thinks these restrictions are arbitrary.
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You came onto a left-leaning message board and thought you'd get a pass?
Ironbite-oh buddy...got news for you.
Because being left-leaning means supporting arbitrary restrictions on freedom of expression?
You're the only one here who thinks these restrictions are arbitrary.
I didn't call anyone a nazi over it, but I did specifically call this a bad idea. Flag burning should be protected speech.
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Should be...but isn't. At least not in Germany.
Ironbite-which is a sovereign country and can do what it wants within reason.
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Should be...but isn't. At least not in Germany.
Ironbite-which is a sovereign country and can do what it wants within reason.
Isn't in most places, actually.
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I didn't call anyone a nazi over it, but I did specifically call this a bad idea. Flag burning should be protected speech.
Calling this restriction a bad idea is different from calling it arbitrary though. Even if you believe it's a bad idea, you still accept that there is a purpose to it and a point to the law, I imagine. Calling them arbitrary is as if we're supposed to imagine the German parliament coming together and asking "okay so what can we ban today?"
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Should be...but isn't. At least not in Germany.
Ironbite-which is a sovereign country and can do what it wants within reason.
...yes, that's my point. It should be protected. It isn't. That's bad. Germany absolutely has every right, in practice, to pass whichever laws they want, some of those laws are bad, and this is one of them.
I didn't call anyone a nazi over it, but I did specifically call this a bad idea. Flag burning should be protected speech.
Calling this restriction a bad idea is different from calling it arbitrary though. Even if you believe it's a bad idea, you still accept that there is a purpose to it and a point to the law, I imagine. Calling them arbitrary is as if we're supposed to imagine the German parliament coming together and asking "okay so what can we ban today?"
Well, obviously. For the most part when governments do things it's for reasons. I even understand why people'd be tempted to ban flag burning after the relevant incident, much as I disagree with the decision.
Flag burning laws are not arbitrary. They are unnecessary infringements on free speech and often a flinch nationalistic reaction (not in this case in particular), but not arbirtary.