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Florida Primary...
« on: January 23, 2012, 09:55:30 am »
Should be interesting. Florida is a winner take all state and has 50 delegates up for grabs, more than Iowa, New Hampshire, and North Carolina combined. Whoever wins Florida effectively will officially be the odds-on favorite.

But Florida is a weird ass state. It skews heavily conservative.....except when you are talking about entitlements like Medicare and Social Security, then it skews massively in the other direction. All of the candidates competing in Florida, Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum, have all been vocally critical of Social Security in the past. None of them have gone as far as Perry did by claiming it was nothing but a Ponzi Scheme, but they have all talked about reducing benefits, raising eligibility ages, freezing payments, and severely cutting programs in the interests of balancing the budget. Talking about messing with any benefit or entitlement that impacts seniors will not play well in Florida.

You can't do politics in Florida like you can in tiny New Hampshire, sparsely populated Iowa, or homogeneous North Carolina. Florida is not an even state, it fades from shockingly rural to densely urban, to vast stretches of essential wilderness and wetlands with no one there but natives and the occasional swamp-billy. Florida, unlike the other three early primaries, has several massive media markets, Miami being the largest and most influential, and Miami is one odd demographic. With it's large and very vocal Cuban population, Miami tends to skew damn near jingoistic on foreign policy and socialist on domestic issues. I doubt that Newt has even half the subtlety necessary to navigate the political minefield in Dade county. There's no way Santorum even understands what's on the table in Florida. Romney is the only one with a sufficient political machine and deep enough pockets to manage it, but who knows how the whole Mormon thing will play out among the overwhelmingly Protestant and Jewish retiree population, not to mention the Cubans, who can best be described as "militant Catholic."

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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 10:09:37 am »
Oh, goodie. Let me go grab my popcorn now!

Crazy ass state.

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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 10:12:35 am »
Points well taken, Sandman.  But I think you meant South Carolina, who just had their primary.  North Carolina's primary is not until May.  This is a contentious subject in NC every presidential election year because of its lateness in the primary season.  Usually by the time our primary is held, it is considered insignificant since the candidate has already been selected by default since all but one candidate has dropped out due to previous primary results.  This year may be an exception, however, since the three that have been held have all had different winners.  If things continue to go this way, NC could be in a position to swing the nomination. 
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 10:19:24 am »
Yes, you are right, I misspoke. It should read South Carolina.
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 01:06:13 pm »
This should be interesting. Logic dictates that none of these candidates should do well. Of course, the world operates on insane troll logic, so you never know.
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 01:18:46 pm »
In a Florida general election, you're right.  But we're talking about the primary here.  While it may be close if none of them resonate with the populace, one of them has to win and will garner all of the Florida delegates at the Republican National Convention.
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 02:36:56 pm »
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 03:34:24 pm »
Having lived in florida for almost 30 years, I'll say with complete honesty that I am not proud of my state.  If my work expanded farther north (father than the Bible belt), I'd move in a heartbeat.

One thing I noticed about FL is the farther north you go, the farther 'south' you are.
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 03:43:10 pm »
Having lived in florida for almost 30 years, I'll say with complete honesty that I am not proud of my state.  If my work expanded farther north (father than the Bible belt), I'd move in a heartbeat.

One thing I noticed about FL is the farther north you go, the farther 'south' you are.

That's due to all the Northern retirees moving to southern Florida for the warm winters.  Get any further north of Orlando and you're pretty much in the South again.
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 04:25:29 pm »
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 05:37:39 pm »
This should be interesting. Logic dictates that none of these candidates should do well. Of course, the world operates on insane troll logic, so you never know.
Maybe I'm not up-to-date on how primaries work, but I'm under the impression this is a zero-sum game. It's not possible for all of them to do badly.
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 05:49:11 pm »
This should be interesting. Logic dictates that none of these candidates should do well. Of course, the world operates on insane troll logic, so you never know.
Maybe I'm not up-to-date on how primaries work, but I'm under the impression this is a zero-sum game. It's not possible for all of them to do badly.
If they all have relatively close results or tie, then the primaries go on.
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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 06:33:14 pm »
But has ol' Uncle Ronl cut his presidential aspirations in the throat though?

He's skipping the primary altogether

Ironbite-not sure why though but it looks like he's not going to even bother with Florida.

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Re: Florida Primary...
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 06:38:54 pm »
It's because he knows he doesn't realitically have a chance in Florida.  He'll be there for the debates, since those will be seen around the country, but the actual election is basically a write-off already.  He's better served focusing on the states where he has a better chance.  Spending his money there now instead of in Florida gives him an early lead there, while the other candidates are fighting over the sunshine state.

I don't think he'll win in the end, but it's not the worst strategy for him.
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