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Re: Angelina Jolie Film Reigniting Sectarian Tensions
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2012, 04:50:19 pm »
The US-backed Kosovovian (?) terrorist group that actually started the war is blameless, of course. And it's not outrageous for NATO- an organisation formed for the sole purpose of protecting Germany the Russians, an organisation that was supposed to disband after 1991- carried out the bombing. Nup. All Serbia's fault.
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Re: Angelina Jolie Film Reigniting Sectarian Tensions
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2012, 05:16:23 pm »
The US-backed Kosovovian (?) terrorist group that actually started the war is blameless, of course. And it's not outrageous for NATO- an organisation formed for the sole purpose of protecting Germany the Russians, an organisation that was supposed to disband after 1991- carried out the bombing. Nup. All Serbia's fault.

NATO didn't carry out acts of genocide.  Serbia did.

The war, as I recall, was started by Croatia trying to break out of being part of Yugoslavia, then Serbia deciding they didn't want that.  And then Serbia and Croatia ramping it up by killing anyone who wasn't Serbian or Croatian.
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Re: Angelina Jolie Film Reigniting Sectarian Tensions
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2012, 05:30:17 pm »
The US-backed Kosovovian (?) terrorist group that actually started the war is blameless, of course. And it's not outrageous for NATO- an organisation formed for the sole purpose of protecting Germany the Russians, an organisation that was supposed to disband after 1991- carried out the bombing. Nup. All Serbia's fault.

NATO didn't carry out acts of genocide.  Serbia did.

The war, as I recall, was started by Croatia trying to break out of being part of Yugoslavia, then Serbia deciding they didn't want that.  And then Serbia and Croatia ramping it up by killing anyone who wasn't Serbian or Croatian.

Almost, it was a three way war, then a two-way Croatia and Bosnia vs Serbia, then Croatia switched sides, then switched back.  The KLA was not US backed until ethnic cleansing started.  Even among Kosovar Albanians the group was considered a myth, until an incident involving an illegal roadblock setup by the Serbian police (where they killed an innocent family). 

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Re: Angelina Jolie Film Reigniting Sectarian Tensions
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 06:53:41 pm »
After A Serbian Film, you'd think they'd have nothing to hide.

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Re: Angelina Jolie Film Reigniting Sectarian Tensions
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2012, 05:39:35 am »
The US-backed Kosovovian (?) terrorist group that actually started the war is blameless, of course. And it's not outrageous for NATO- an organisation formed for the sole purpose of protecting Germany the Russians, an organisation that was supposed to disband after 1991- carried out the bombing. Nup. All Serbia's fault.

NATO didn't carry out acts of genocide.  Serbia did.

The war, as I recall, was started by Croatia trying to break out of being part of Yugoslavia, then Serbia deciding they didn't want that.  And then Serbia and Croatia ramping it up by killing anyone who wasn't Serbian or Croatian.

Almost, it was a three way war, then a two-way Croatia and Bosnia vs Serbia, then Croatia switched sides, then switched back.  The KLA was not US backed until ethnic cleansing started.  Even among Kosovar Albanians the group was considered a myth, until an incident involving an illegal roadblock setup by the Serbian police (where they killed an innocent family).

I did honestly try to follow the politics of it, but it just got confusing, not helped by the media refering to each group as though they were the same body of people.
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Re: Angelina Jolie Film Reigniting Sectarian Tensions
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2012, 07:22:32 am »
The US-backed Kosovovian (?) terrorist group that actually started the war is blameless, of course. And it's not outrageous for NATO- an organisation formed for the sole purpose of protecting Germany the Russians, an organisation that was supposed to disband after 1991- carried out the bombing. Nup. All Serbia's fault.

NATO didn't carry out acts of genocide.  Serbia did.

Act of genocide, actually. There was only one major act of genocide from Serbia- the Srebrenica Massacre is the pretty much the only major act of genocide predating NATO involvement.

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The war, as I recall, was started by Croatia trying to break out of being part of Yugoslavia, then Serbia deciding they didn't want that.

The (later) war in Kosovo, at least, was certainly started by the KLA, acting to try to ethnically cleanse what they regarded as their land. In the words of the US Committee for Refugees, the KLA "attacks aimed at trying to 'cleanse Kosovo of its ethnic Serb population'.

The Yugoslav Red Cross: "Over 90 mixed villages in Kosovo have now been emptied of Serb inhabitants and other Serbs continue leaving, either to be displaced in other parts of Kosovo or fleeing into central Serbia.   ”

And even Nato admitted that the KLA was "the main initiator of the violence" launching "what appears to be a deliberate campaign of provocation".

(all from wiki, here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army#First_attacks)

After police stations, government buildings and civilians had been targeted by the KLA terrorists, the Serbs understandably over-reacted in response. NATO, in particular Germany, strongly backed the KLA, perhaps as early as 1996. So Germany and, later, the US acted to support a genocidal terrorist group with a heavy bombing campaign of it's victims.

After the KLA took over a reasonably sizable region of the country, the government tried to reestablish control.  NATO responded with 'air shows', eventually leading to bombing. NATO opposed any peace agreement that was not essentially an unconditional surrender by the government- where the government would promise to stop maintaining order, and the terrorist group would retain their weapons, continue attacks, continue ethnic cleansing and so on.

After the government refused this absurd and impossible demand, NATO made good on it's repeated threat to turn Yugoslavia into a 'smoking ruin', to 'lay waste to Belgrade' and so on, bombing flat much of the country including deliberately-chosen civilian targets (media centres, for example). Remember that the justification for this bombing campaign was that the government refused to give in to terrorists- they were probably even willing to negotiate, though not with thee absurd preconditions set by NATO.

As predicted, violence against civilians escalated by both sides after the NATO bombing campaign, the usual result of such bombing.

Ultimately, the NATO/KLA alliance was victorious, and the former terrorists now run the 'country'- which has been cleansed of most of it's Serbian population.
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Re: Angelina Jolie Film Reigniting Sectarian Tensions
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2012, 10:11:48 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_genocide

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The term Bosnian Genocide refers to either the genocide committed by Bosnian Serb forces in Srebrenica in 1995 or the ethnic cleansing campaign that took place throughout areas controlled by the Bosnian Serb Army during the 1992–1995 Bosnian War.[

I wouldn't call that justified by any means.

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The events in Srebrenica in 1995 included the killing of more than 8,000 Bosnian Muslims as well as the mass expulsion of another 25,000–30,000 Bosnian Muslims, in and around the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina, committed by units of the Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić.

How you can justify this is beyond me.

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On 18 December 1992, the United Nations General Assembly resolution 47/121 in its preamble deemed ethnic cleansing to be a form of genocide stating:

Gravely concerned about the deterioration of the situation in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina owing to intensified aggressive acts by the Serbian and Montenegrin forces to acquire more territories by force, characterized by a consistent pattern of gross and systematic violations of human rights, a burgeoning refugee population resulting from mass expulsions of defenceless civilians from their homes and the existence in Serbian and Montenegrin controlled areas of concentration camps and detention centres, in pursuit of the abhorrent policy of “ethnic cleansing”, which is a form of genocide, ...

And they were doing it before 1996.  When Kosovo tried to break away, they faced the Serb army doing exactly as it had done before, including the rape camps where non-Serbian females were taken to start a new generation of Serbians.

The Serbs carried out massacres in other places as well:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doboj_massacre and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fo%C4%8Da_massacres as well as others.  Again, I can see no justification for this.

What you're not saying her Fred is that the Albanians saw the Serbs living in their land as an occupying power, moreover they wanted to be a country seperate from Serbia.  Yes, the KLA did strike first, but only because the Albanians were being frustrated by the Serbs trying to keep Kosovo as part of Serbia, against the wishes of the Kosovans themselves.

How you can justify the acts of the Serbians is beyond me.
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Re: Angelina Jolie Film Reigniting Sectarian Tensions
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2012, 05:16:44 pm »
I'm not trying to justify the actions of Yugoslavia, many of their actions are obviously crimes (virtually all committed after NATO involvement, as predicted). But we pretend that isn't also true of NATO allies, and that's just nonsense. We've created this pretend non-history of the conflict.
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