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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: Askold on May 01, 2019, 09:36:01 am
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/01/republican-matt-shea-rightwing-rally-guns?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1556703932
In his speech at God and Country last June, which immediately followed Shea’s speech, Robertson said: “Of course, you all know that you should have an AR-15 and a thousand rounds of ammo, right? Because Antifa is kicking up and getting ready to defend, right?”
Shea’s speech flirted with themes of civil war, but mostly focused on the idea of separating eastern Washington out into a separate political entity, with the view of having “an entire geographic area repent”.
He began by proposing “a simple idea that may make you cringe a little at first. And that idea is that liberty must be kept by force.”
Shea said the reason America was no longer a “beacon of Christianity”, was “because of compromise. And it’s not knowing that the communists are training, they’re planning, they’re organizing and they are lying in wait.”
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At Marble, Robertson blamed Democrats for the supposed impending insurrection, saying: “Maxine Waters says we need to take the struggle to them and get in their face and be confrontational and Antifa and the communists are responding to that message, are they not?”
Am I the only one who thinks that it is not normal for politicians to tell people to arm up and prepare for a civil war? A religious civil war even.
“We’re here to take dominion under Christ,” Byrd reminded Shea at one point in the broadcast. “As you know, that has to do with government.”
There's so much to tackle here. Antifa fearmongering. Fearmongering about Communists at this time and age? Bringing up a Democrats name right after telling people to get ready to kill their enemies? And once again the separation of church and state means nothing to the GOP. I will not be surprised if the next massacre in USA will be because of shit like that coming from politicians.
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I can't help but suspect that the gun lobby told him to drum up a few sales.
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I'm more scared of the day when a group of crazy people decide to take matters into their own hands and we have a president who will let them.
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Matt Shea? Same guy who wrote a memo about forcing everyone to follow Biblical law (and killing all the males of any group that wouldn't comply) and also offered to run background checks on people whom some white nationalists wanted to target.
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I'm more scared of the day when a group of crazy people decide to take matters into their own hands and we have a president who will let them.
You mean like right now?
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Matt Shea? Same guy who wrote a memo about forcing everyone to follow Biblical law (and killing all the males of any group that wouldn't comply) and also offered to run background checks on people whom some white nationalists wanted to target.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea_(politician)#Controversies
Shea has been the focus of news articles related to angry outbursts at his legislative office, and a report claiming that he was disarmed by a commander while he served in Iraq due to anger management issues.[21]
Differences between Shea and Spokane County Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich resulted in Shea stating "the Southern Poverty Law Center — and the sheriff (Knezovich) that backs them — is the most dangerous organization in this country". Knezovich is a Republican, like Shea.[22]
Shea has frequently clashed with journalists, referring to reporters as "dirty, godless, hateful people" at an August 2018 gun-rights rally.[23] He refers to local newspapers as the "Socialist-Review" (Spokesman-Review) and the "Inslander" (Inlander).[24] Shea's contentious history with the press has attracted particular attention because he is one of eight state legislators on a Washington Legislature task force dealing with state public records laws and exemptions to them.[23]
"Biblical Basis for War" manifesto
In late October 2018, Shea acknowledged that he had distributed a document described as a "four-page manifesto" titled Biblical Basis for War that listed strategies that a "Holy Army" could employ. The document, consisting of 14 sections divided into bullet points, had a section on "rules of war" that stated "make an offer of peace before declaring war", which within stated that the enemy must "surrender on terms" of no abortions, no same-sex marriage, no communism, "must obey Biblical law", then continued: "If they do not yield — kill all males". Shea acknowledged the document and claimed that it was a summary of "biblical sermons on war."[1][2][25] Spokane County Sheriff Knezovich alerted the FBI to the manifesto and claimed that the statements made in the manifesto are consistent with a racist, anti-Semitic, and white supremacist ideology known as Christian Identity, which seeks to establish a "white homeland" in the US northwest.[2][3]
Violent right-wing chat group
In April 2019, The Guardian published chat records from a right-wing chat group of four people that Shea participated in, where Shea used an alias of ‘True Warrior’ in Latin. Other members in the chat group discussed carrying out surveillance, intimidation and violent attacks on political enemies, including "Antifa" activists and "communists". Shea himself volunteered to conduct background checks on residents of Spokane, resulting in Shae naming three individuals. One of the chat group's members provided the records to The Guardian, while another confirmed the existence of the chats and acknowledged the discussion on conducting surveillance on "Antifa" people.[26]
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I'm more scared of the day when a group of crazy people decide to take matters into their own hands and we have a president who will let them.
You mean like right now?
Yeah, but I'm waiting for the big one. Like full on alt right take over of a state government building, and Trump doing nothing to stop it.
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I'm more scared of the day when a group of crazy people decide to take matters into their own hands and we have a president who will let them.
You mean like right now?
Yeah, but I'm waiting for the big one. Like full on alt right take over of a state government building, and Trump doing nothing to stop it.
That arguably already happened under Obama, with the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
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Yeah, but Obama would have stopped something like that if it came to military force.
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Yeah, but Obama would have stopped something like that if it came to military force.
There, and previously with the whole Bundy ranch thing in Nevada, IIRC they were shooting at law enforcement.
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Frankly the whole point of the 2nd amendment types seems to signalling to everyone that there's a crazy guerrilla army in waiting if the "wrong sort" of people git too uppity.
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Frankly the whole point of the 2nd amendment types seems to signalling to everyone that there's a crazy guerrilla army in waiting if the "wrong sort" of people git too uppity.
Meet popular NRA spokesman Colion Noir:
(https://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/colion500.jpg)
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Aah, the NRA's black friend.
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Meanwhile, when licensed gun owner Philando Castile was killed* in cold blood by a cop after properly disclosing that he was carrying a firearm, the NRA went silent for days.
*I say "killed" and not "murdered" since the cop was acquitted, even though, from what I know, at least, I think it was a wrongful acquittal, and may have had more to do with court precedent on when police officers can discharge their firearms than the actual facts of the case.
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Of course he's sticking up for the poor NRA.
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Aah, the NRA's black friend.
Seriously? That's racist.
Meanwhile, when licensed gun owner Philando Castile was killed* in cold blood by a cop after properly disclosing that he was carrying a firearm, the NRA went silent for days.
*I say "killed" and not "murdered" since the cop was acquitted, even though, from what I know, at least, I think it was a wrongful acquittal, and may have had more to do with court precedent on when police officers can discharge their firearms than the actual facts of the case.
You know that was controversial in the NRA as well (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/09/the-nras-internal-revolt-over-philando-castile/?utm_term=.09d9082eb792), right?
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"I'm not racist, I have black friends!"
You always cover for conservatives. Because you are one.
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Is it weird that the guy's name literally means Colin 'Black' - it sounds kind of made up.
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Is it weird that the guy's name literally means Colin 'Black' - it sounds kind of made up.
He changed his name at some point, IIRC. And it's spelled "Colion", by the way.
"I'm not racist, I have black friends!"
You always cover for conservatives. Because you are one.
1. Again, that's racist.
2. I don't "always cover for conservatives." Where did you get that idea?
3. Even if I was a conservative, why do you care?
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What's racist?
This guy isn't just the black friend, he's literally paid to be black cover.
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What's racist?
This guy isn't just the black friend, he's literally paid to be black cover.
Depriving a black man of agency because he's not your idea of what a black man should be seems pretty racist to me. Not to mention assuming his race is the only value he has to the NRA.
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My god you're dumber then a bag of rocks dude.
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Is it weird that the guy's name literally means Colin 'Black' - it sounds kind of made up.
He changed his name at some point, IIRC. And it's spelled "Colion", by the way.
"I'm not racist, I have black friends!"
You always cover for conservatives. Because you are one.
1. Again, that's racist.
2. I don't "always cover for conservatives." Where did you get that idea?
3. Even if I was a conservative, why do you care?
"I can't be racist if I'm nice to at least one black guy!"
Oh just the last few dozen times. The Gillette thing, and you aligning with alt-right shitheads, just as a prominent example.
Maybe a bit inaccurate. You're a waffling, holier than thou centrist who castigates the left but never goes after the right with nearly as much energy. You're committed to the status quo beyond all logic. You're an etchisketch - whatever you need to believe in the moment is good to go.
You're about as intellectual as a rock.
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Is it weird that the guy's name literally means Colin 'Black' - it sounds kind of made up.
He changed his name at some point, IIRC. And it's spelled "Colion", by the way.
"I'm not racist, I have black friends!"
You always cover for conservatives. Because you are one.
1. Again, that's racist.
2. I don't "always cover for conservatives." Where did you get that idea?
3. Even if I was a conservative, why do you care?
"I can't be racist if I'm nice to at least one black guy!"
Oh just the last few dozen times. The Gillette thing, and you aligning with alt-right shitheads, just as a prominent example.
Maybe a bit inaccurate. You're a waffling, holier than thou centrist who castigates the left but never goes after the right with nearly as much energy. You're committed to the status quo beyond all logic. You're an etchisketch - whatever you need to believe in the moment is good to go.
You're about as intellectual as a rock.
Was that supposed to impress me?
Here's the thing: on this website, I have to attack left-wing assholery with more energy because there's more pushback. If Jakey-boy didn't get his stupid ass banned, I'd probably use similar energy on right-wing assholery.
The rest of your post has about as much grounding in reality as an Alex Jones rant. So I'm not even going to bother addressing it. Instead, I'm going to ask you whether this hostility is really worth it.
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I thought he was a sock-puppeting concern troll
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Frankly the whole point of the 2nd amendment types seems to signalling to everyone that there's a crazy guerrilla army in waiting if the "wrong sort" of people git too uppity.
Meet popular NRA spokesman Colion Noir:
(pic of NRAs black friend)
And on a totally unrelated note from my non 2nd Amendment communosexual, health-care for bums Antipodes here's a pic of an Asian lady standing next to a politician who started her career in the 90s telling her constituents that Australia would be "swamped" by Asians.
(https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8135976-3x2-700x467.jpg)
Clearly that Asian Lady PROOOVES that One Nation is beloved by and loves all Asians because they found an idiot who was Asian to do a photo op for them, my argument is valid and has no flaws. No, stop-there's a photo, valid and has no flaws!
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Frankly the whole point of the 2nd amendment types seems to signalling to everyone that there's a crazy guerrilla army in waiting if the "wrong sort" of people git too uppity.
Meet popular NRA spokesman Colion Noir:
(pic of NRAs black friend)
And on a totally unrelated note from my non 2nd Amendment communosexual, health-care for bums Antipodes here's a pic of an Asian lady standing next to a politician who started her career in the 90s telling her constituents that Australia would be "swamped" by Asians.
(https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8135976-3x2-700x467.jpg)
Clearly that Asian Lady PROOOVES that One Nation is beloved by and loves all Asians because they found an idiot who was Asian to do a photo op for them, my argument is valid and has no flaws. No, stop-there's a photo, valid and has no flaws!
Dude. You're an adult. Act like it.
In any case, the burden of proof is on you guys.
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The burden for what Sparkly Anal?
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Burden of proof? Jesus if you want me to adult you're gonna have to stop being so hilarious.
Look at the big philosopher who's proved the NRA and racism don't go together because he found a black guy who supports them. Teh logics it is teh impeccables.
I'll be 'adult' when you come back with a grown up argument, junior.
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Burden of proof? Jesus if you want me to adult you're gonna have to stop being so hilarious.
Look at the big philosopher who's proved the NRA and racism don't go together because he found a black guy who supports them. Teh logics it is teh impeccables.
I'll be 'adult' when you come back with a grown up argument, junior.
Well, you can't prove a negative. So it's up to you to prove that the NRA is racist. I will admit that the picture was kind of a knee-jerk reaction, though.
Oh, and did you really just pull a "no u"? I'd be careful about the immaturity accusations if I were you. Both because it makes you look hypocritical, and because it could be construed as racism.
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Nobody here is interested in seriously debating you.
You'll just keep piling on in hopes of dragging out the argument, and thus, controlling the conversation.
And I think everyone here realizes that.
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So, uh who here wants some ice cream?
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Burden of proof? Jesus if you want me to adult you're gonna have to stop being so hilarious.
Look at the big philosopher who's proved the NRA and racism don't go together because he found a black guy who supports them. Teh logics it is teh impeccables.
I'll be 'adult' when you come back with a grown up argument, junior.
Well, you can't prove a negative. So it's up to you to prove that the NRA is racist. I will admit that the picture was kind of a knee-jerk reaction, though.
Oh, and did you really just pull a "no u"? I'd be careful about the immaturity accusations if I were you. Both because it makes you look hypocritical, and because it could be construed as racism.
It could be construed as racism? Whoo hoo, I'd have you as a fanboy because you'd be right there backing everything I say for the sake of your precious centrism! Actually that'd be not very useful as you can't argue your way out of a wet paper bag. Regardless, as a threat it's as pitiful as "I won't take you seriously"-nobody asked.
And I owe you personally nothing, there is no "burden" as I'm not obligated to give you shit. I know you want to have an endless sealion argument where you'll deny there was ever any racisms in the NRA ever no matter what anyone throws at you but you don't want to "debate" because your interested in the truth. You want to find a dead horse to whip to bring "balance" back to the forum by defending reactionaries, racists and sexists but not anybody left of Hillary Clinton while everyone else collectively groans.
But balance is important, very important so are counterexamples.
Here's a Rabbi who digs Hitler. (https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/comments/bju7q6/hitler_was_right_says_confused_rabbi/)
(https://i.imgur.com/tsBzVhh.png)
Clearly any suggestion that the Nazis were anti semitic is monstrously unfair and wrong, look a Jewish guy thinks Adolf is neat! Mind blown.
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
First, as an aside, fuck that stupid comic and fuck Wondermark for making it.
But more seriously, you know being a dick is against the rules, right? If you're not interested in debate, then why don't you just stop trolling?
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
First, as an aside, fuck that stupid comic and fuck Wondermark for making it.
But more seriously, you know being a dick is against the rules, right? If you're not interested in debate, then why don't you just stop trolling?
You aren't here to debate either. Hey, I'm good with debates if it's a sincere attempt to get to the truth. The Socratic method has merit.
But that's not what you're doing, your pseudo debates are only ever thrown up to defend the same reactionary shite that always gives you aneurysms whenever someone steps on them. I know what you're doing, the rest of the forum knows what you're doing and it doesn't rate participation. It rates mockery, you're the boy who cried wolf and now nobody believes you.
Maybe a fresh profile would help?
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
First, as an aside, fuck that stupid comic and fuck Wondermark for making it.
But more seriously, you know being a dick is against the rules, right? If you're not interested in debate, then why don't you just stop trolling?
You aren't here to debate either. Hey, I'm good with debates if it's a sincere attempt to get to the truth. The Socratic method has merit.
But that's not what you're doing, your pseudo debates are only ever thrown up to defend the same reactionary shite. I know what you're doing, the rest of the forum knows what you're doing and it doesn't rate participation. It rates mockery, you're the boy who cried wolf and now nobody believes you.
Maybe a fresh profile would help?
Stop throwing around accusations you can't back up. Stop assuming bad faith on my part. Stop assuming the rest of the forum shares your ridiculous opinions about me. This is your last warning.
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
First, as an aside, fuck that stupid comic and fuck Wondermark for making it.
But more seriously, you know being a dick is against the rules, right? If you're not interested in debate, then why don't you just stop trolling?
You aren't here to debate either. Hey, I'm good with debates if it's a sincere attempt to get to the truth. The Socratic method has merit.
But that's not what you're doing, your pseudo debates are only ever thrown up to defend the same reactionary shite. I know what you're doing, the rest of the forum knows what you're doing and it doesn't rate participation. It rates mockery, you're the boy who cried wolf and now nobody believes you.
Maybe a fresh profile would help?
Stop throwing around accusations you can't back up. Stop assuming bad faith on my part. Stop assuming the rest of the forum shares your ridiculous opinions about me. This is your last warning.
Piss off!
Repeat after me "I owe you squat", I owe you zip, diddly. I do not owe you a debate, a rejoinder or an explanation for Jack shit!
Stick your warning up your arse.
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OK, buddy. Your funeral.
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Anyhoo.
Back to Matt Shea buddying up (https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/apr/27/rep-matt-shea-was-part-of-violent-2017-chat-from-t/) with racists on twitter back in 2017 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a27242499/matt-shea-washington-republican-signal-chat-far-right-figures/). Not that the NRA would ever endorse a racist. (https://voteshea.com/endorsements/)
I did nazi that coming.
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Anyhoo.
Back to Matt Shea buddying up (https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/apr/27/rep-matt-shea-was-part-of-violent-2017-chat-from-t/) with racists on twitter back in 2017 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a27242499/matt-shea-washington-republican-signal-chat-far-right-figures/). Not that the NRA would ever endorse a racist. (https://voteshea.com/endorsements/)
I did nazi that coming.
That's not an endorsement. "A+" is just one of the ratings the NRA gives regarding politicians' records on gun policy. Over 52 senators have an A- rank or higher - including four democrats. It's even listed under "ratings".
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Remember Aussie Racists One Nation? Well they met with the NRA seeking donations who gave them helpful strategic advice on what to say in response to mass shootings. (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/26/one-nations-james-ashby-filmed-lobbying-for-20m-in-nra-donations-to-weaken-australias-gun-laws) Not that the NRA would ever get pally with a bunch of racists. That's unthinkable, but yes the timing on your home grown polly who likes smooching up to your local racists is very important. It's only the current (https://voteshea.com/endorsements/) bunch of people endorsing someone who palled around with racists in '17.
A clarification Chaos, this isn't a "debate" it's only to show others on the sidelines that you're wrong. I don't give a mummified monkey's dropping what you personally think.
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
First, as an aside, fuck that stupid comic and fuck Wondermark for making it.
But more seriously, you know being a dick is against the rules, right? If you're not interested in debate, then why don't you just stop trolling?
You aren't here to debate either. Hey, I'm good with debates if it's a sincere attempt to get to the truth. The Socratic method has merit.
But that's not what you're doing, your pseudo debates are only ever thrown up to defend the same reactionary shite. I know what you're doing, the rest of the forum knows what you're doing and it doesn't rate participation. It rates mockery, you're the boy who cried wolf and now nobody believes you.
Maybe a fresh profile would help?
Stop throwing around accusations you can't back up. Stop assuming bad faith on my part. Stop assuming the rest of the forum shares your ridiculous opinions about me. This is your last warning.
For my part I share his assumptions. What's with the threats though tough guy? What are you going to do? Commission an insulting slashfic?
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
First, as an aside, fuck that stupid comic and fuck Wondermark for making it.
But more seriously, you know being a dick is against the rules, right? If you're not interested in debate, then why don't you just stop trolling?
You aren't here to debate either. Hey, I'm good with debates if it's a sincere attempt to get to the truth. The Socratic method has merit.
But that's not what you're doing, your pseudo debates are only ever thrown up to defend the same reactionary shite. I know what you're doing, the rest of the forum knows what you're doing and it doesn't rate participation. It rates mockery, you're the boy who cried wolf and now nobody believes you.
Maybe a fresh profile would help?
Stop throwing around accusations you can't back up. Stop assuming bad faith on my part. Stop assuming the rest of the forum shares your ridiculous opinions about me. This is your last warning.
For my part I share his assumptions. What's with the threats though tough guy? What are you going to do? Commission an insulting slashfic?
I don't have to do anything except point the mods in his direction.
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
First, as an aside, fuck that stupid comic and fuck Wondermark for making it.
But more seriously, you know being a dick is against the rules, right? If you're not interested in debate, then why don't you just stop trolling?
You aren't here to debate either. Hey, I'm good with debates if it's a sincere attempt to get to the truth. The Socratic method has merit.
But that's not what you're doing, your pseudo debates are only ever thrown up to defend the same reactionary shite. I know what you're doing, the rest of the forum knows what you're doing and it doesn't rate participation. It rates mockery, you're the boy who cried wolf and now nobody believes you.
Maybe a fresh profile would help?
Stop throwing around accusations you can't back up. Stop assuming bad faith on my part. Stop assuming the rest of the forum shares your ridiculous opinions about me. This is your last warning.
For my part I share his assumptions. What's with the threats though tough guy? What are you going to do? Commission an insulting slashfic?
I don't have to do anything except point the mods in his direction.
Oh that's fantastic. Yes I think that's a really good idea, given this is what? Your 5th profile?
Edit: Because I can't spell
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
First, as an aside, fuck that stupid comic and fuck Wondermark for making it.
But more seriously, you know being a dick is against the rules, right? If you're not interested in debate, then why don't you just stop trolling?
You aren't here to debate either. Hey, I'm good with debates if it's a sincere attempt to get to the truth. The Socratic method has merit.
But that's not what you're doing, your pseudo debates are only ever thrown up to defend the same reactionary shite. I know what you're doing, the rest of the forum knows what you're doing and it doesn't rate participation. It rates mockery, you're the boy who cried wolf and now nobody believes you.
Maybe a fresh profile would help?
Stop throwing around accusations you can't back up. Stop assuming bad faith on my part. Stop assuming the rest of the forum shares your ridiculous opinions about me. This is your last warning.
For my part I share his assumptions. What's with the threats though tough guy? What are you going to do? Commission an insulting slashfic?
I don't have to do anything except point the mods in his direction.
Oh that's fantastic. Yes I think that's a really good idea, given this is what? You're 5th profile?
Unsubstantiated accusations may not be against the letter of the rules, but I'm pretty sure they're against the spirit. Once the mods get in, I'm gonna ask for a blanket ban on accusations of sockpuppetry without evidence to back them up.
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Tol, Niam, you're both being dicks. Stop it. Now.
We're not fulfilling our obligations? Chaos there's an Asian One Nation supporter and a Rabbi who loves Adolph who's experiences are in danger of being erased by SJWs, it's your job around here to get on that isn't it? Come on, duty calls!
Why don't you stop building strawmen and actually debate me? You know the two aren't equivalent.
Nobody wants to "debate" you sealion, you want to mass-debate do it alone, with the blinds closed and a wet soapy sock within arms reach of your keyboard willya?
First, as an aside, fuck that stupid comic and fuck Wondermark for making it.
But more seriously, you know being a dick is against the rules, right? If you're not interested in debate, then why don't you just stop trolling?
You aren't here to debate either. Hey, I'm good with debates if it's a sincere attempt to get to the truth. The Socratic method has merit.
But that's not what you're doing, your pseudo debates are only ever thrown up to defend the same reactionary shite. I know what you're doing, the rest of the forum knows what you're doing and it doesn't rate participation. It rates mockery, you're the boy who cried wolf and now nobody believes you.
Maybe a fresh profile would help?
Stop throwing around accusations you can't back up. Stop assuming bad faith on my part. Stop assuming the rest of the forum shares your ridiculous opinions about me. This is your last warning.
For my part I share his assumptions. What's with the threats though tough guy? What are you going to do? Commission an insulting slashfic?
I don't have to do anything except point the mods in his direction.
Oh that's fantastic. Yes I think that's a really good idea, given this is what? You're 5th profile?
Unsubstantiated accusations may not be against the letter of the rules, but I'm pretty sure they're against the spirit. Once the mods get in, I'm gonna ask for a blanket ban on accusations of sockpuppetry without evidence to back them up.
That would certainly be a power move, cracker.
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And here I thought the guy had come here to engage in good faith debating about the issues? Shocked I am to find his response to the revelation that his purportedly racism-free NRA was meeting to talk shop with some dyed in the wool Aussie racist bogans, who were racist since emerging shrieking about Asian invasions from the Queensland swamps back in the 90s, was to shout about his hurt fee fees at davedan.
Compelling riposte, amazed we are by your skills in mass debate.
Why oh why won't anybody "debate" Chaos in good faith? Totes unfair guize!
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And here I thought the guy had come here to engage in good faith debating about the issues? Shocked I am to find his response to the revelation that his purportedly racism-free NRA was meeting to talk shop with some dyed in the wool Aussie racist bogans, who were racist since emerging shrieking about Asian invasions from the Queensland swamps back in the 90s, was to shout about his hurt fee fees at davedan.
Compelling riposte, amazed we are by your skills in mass debate.
Why oh why won't anybody "debate" Chaos in good faith? Totes unfair guize!
You openly said that you wouldn't listen to what I had to say or even try to debate me. Don't try to pin this on me, you gaslighting clown.
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And here I thought the guy had come here to engage in good faith debating about the issues? Shocked I am to find his response to the revelation that his purportedly racism-free NRA was meeting to talk shop with some dyed in the wool Aussie racist bogans, who were racist since emerging shrieking about Asian invasions from the Queensland swamps back in the 90s, was to shout about his hurt fee fees at davedan.
Compelling riposte, amazed we are by your skills in mass debate.
Why oh why won't anybody "debate" Chaos in good faith? Totes unfair guize!
You openly said that you wouldn't listen to what I had to say or even try to debate me. Don't try to pin this on me, you gaslighting clown.
Gaslighting implies that I'm trying to change your state of mind, I object strongly to your baseless accusation that I give a tin shit about what you think.
I'm hurt, you wound me. I may protest vigorously to the mods.
Regardless, if you were here for the topic you needn't address me, just the topic. Guess not.
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Dude, you brought up a picture of a black guy as the definitive proof that NRA isn't racist. No credentials, background or anything other about him than just the picture and a name.
Trying to frame that as anything but "I can't be racist if I have a black friend" type of defense is ridiculous. If you had a proper argument you could have spoken about how, I dunno, NRA reaches out to minorities and helps them defend their right to bear arms even though the police in USA are trigger happy (does NRA do that? It would fit in their agenda if they aren't racist.) or something like that. Instead you just get out a picture of a random black guy with no further comment.
I'm not going to touch the rest of this conversation as it appears that no one is interested in staying on the original topic anyway. Go fight in the Flame and Burn if you're still interested in slapping your dicks against each other in a metaphorical sense, but this thread was meant to be about an unhinged politician telling people to prepare for a civil war and possibly start it.
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The point I was making when I made my initial comment about the NRA being a kind of crypto menace against the "wrong sort of people" getting uppity stands.
In the US in particular the idea of white propertied men being under siege and needing guns to protect them is a deep and storied tradition. The NRAs role certainly hasn't extended to all gun owners. Their history with the original Black Panthers is telling in this regard.
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Yeah gonna have to point out that Chaos is trying to "debate" like certain other socks did before. Especially with his "reasons".
Ironbite-I did like the "appeal to authority" thing he tried.
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Dude, you brought up a picture of a black guy as the definitive proof that NRA isn't racist. No credentials, background or anything other about him than just the picture and a name.
Trying to frame that as anything but "I can't be racist if I have a black friend" type of defense is ridiculous. If you had a proper argument you could have spoken about how, I dunno, NRA reaches out to minorities and helps them defend their right to bear arms even though the police in USA are trigger happy (does NRA do that? It would fit in their agenda if they aren't racist.) or something like that. Instead you just get out a picture of a random black guy with no further comment.
I'm not going to touch the rest of this conversation as it appears that no one is interested in staying on the original topic anyway. Go fight in the Flame and Burn if you're still interested in slapping your dicks against each other in a metaphorical sense, but this thread was meant to be about an unhinged politician telling people to prepare for a civil war and possibly start it.
In retrospect, yeah, that was a pretty weak argument. And you're right, the NRA has been reaching out to minorities since at least 2013 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/30/the-nras-struggle-to-prove-black-guns-matter-215084), but it's a hard sell. Blacks and Latinos are still less likely to support gun rights, and the NRA's association with the GOP doesn't help it appeal to Democratic-leaning minorities.
The point I was making when I made my initial comment about the NRA being a kind of crypto menace against the "wrong sort of people" getting uppity stands.
In the US in particular the idea of white propertied men being under siege and needing guns to protect them is a deep and storied tradition. The NRAs role certainly hasn't extended to all gun owners. Their history with the original Black Panthers is telling in this regard.
The Black Panthers thing happened decades ago. Wayne LaPierre wasn't even twenty years old yet in 1967. How is this any different from criticizing Planned Parenthood for having been founded by a eugenics supporter? And you weren't talking about the NRA, you were talking about "second amendment types" in general. Let me refresh your memory:
Frankly the whole point of the 2nd amendment types seems to signalling to everyone that there's a crazy guerrilla army in waiting if the "wrong sort" of people git too uppity.
Emphasis added. Now are you gonna listen?
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Listen to what? You continuing to blabber about how the Left and Right are both evil so we should just all be Centrists and do nothing?
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Notes with interest Chaos utterly missed the post about the NRA meeting with representatives from an Australian political party with rep for blatant racism going back decades and gave them PR advice on how to handle the media in the event of a mass shooting.
Mere months after an Australian racist committed a horrific mass shooting in NZ.
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Notes with interest Chaos utterly missed the post about the NRA meeting with representatives from an Australian political party with rep for blatant racism going back decades and gave them PR advice on how to handle the media in the event of a mass shooting.
Mere months after an Australian racist committed a horrific mass shooting in NZ.
That's a mighty weak argument. Since I don't know much about One Nation, I'm willing to take your word for it that they're racists, but you can associate with racists while not being racist yourself.
Listen to what? You continuing to blabber about how the Left and Right are both evil so we should just all be Centrists and do nothing?
When did I ever say that?
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Then why don't you put it on record what you do say about your beliefs.
That is, if you have any, and aren't just a concern troll and tool trying to control the conversations.
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Notes with interest Chaos utterly missed the post about the NRA meeting with representatives from an Australian political party with rep for blatant racism going back decades and gave them PR advice on how to handle the media in the event of a mass shooting.
Mere months after an Australian racist committed a horrific mass shooting in NZ.
That's a mighty weak argument. Since I don't know much about One Nation, I'm willing to take your word for it that they're racists, but you can associate with racists while not being racist yourself.
Listen to what? You continuing to blabber about how the Left and Right are both evil so we should just all be Centrists and do nothing?
When did I ever say that?
It's a weak argument because....you don't know how Google works?
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And why is it not surprising that Chaos would argue empowering racists isn't racist.
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Then why don't you put it on record what you do say about your beliefs.
That is, if you have any, and aren't just a concern troll and tool trying to control the conversations.
How much detail do you want me to go into?
And why is it not surprising that Chaos would argue empowering racists isn't racist.
Well, for one, meeting with racists doesn't mean you're racist yourself. The topic of their meeting wasn't "how to better suppress Asians" or anything like that, it was about public relations in the aftermath of the Christchurch mosque shooting.
Also, is the post page screwy for anyone else?
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Then why don't you put it on record what you do say about your beliefs.
That is, if you have any, and aren't just a concern troll and tool trying to control the conversations.
How much detail do you want me to go into?
And why is it not surprising that Chaos would argue empowering racists isn't racist.
Well, for one, meeting with racists doesn't mean you're racist yourself. The topic of their meeting wasn't "how to better suppress Asians" or anything like that, it was about public relations in the aftermath of the Christchurch mosque shooting.
Also, is the post page screwy for anyone else?
No, their meeting was on the totally innocent topic of telling a bunch of racists (One Nation Australia, google it seriously) how to spin mass shootings, not long after an Australian Nazi transversed the Tasman and committed a racially motivated mass shooting in NZ.
So they're cool with racists and willing to help a cracker out-if that cracker is racist that don't make them racist, what a ghastly notion. I guess palling around with racists is an NRA tradition (https://newrepublic.com/article/112322/gun-control-racist), but hey-let's give them the Chaos benefit of the doubt. Maybe they advised those Aussie racists to sing Kumbaya? Maybe they're still endorsing Matt Shea because they're hoping he gives all those bad racists he tweets to a strong talking to. Some of us think if it walks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck however.
But, you're right one meeting with Aussie bigots could have a totally innocent explanation and "Asia" could refer to the ancient Roman province of Anatolia. What else is there...
LaPierre called for a return to a white male president, saying “eight years of one demographically symbolic president is enough.”
NRA board member Jay Printz posted a meme on his Facebook page that said, “Liberals think conservatives are violent because we own guns. When was the last time a group of conservatives blocked a freeway, turned over cop cars, rioted, looted, threw Molotov cocktails, burned buildings?” The meme was clearly in reference to groups protesting racial injustice.
NRATV commentator Bill Whittle said black people are intellectually inferior to people of other races.
NRA board member Todd Rathner posted a photo on Facebook of a sign that prohibited eating, drinking, and smoking in a hearing room, and then complained the Spanish-speakers were not abiding by the sign.
LaPierre has used the idea of the “dangerous black man” in his stump speech for years. The idea of the “mugger, murderer, or rapist” — the NRA boogeyman — serves as code for “black.”
The NRA has blamed the “violent left” for protesting racial injustice in Missouri, Baltimore, and other cities, effectively sending the message: “Hey, white America — this is why you need guns.”
Earlier this year, the NRA released a disgusting, violent, and divisive ad that urges gun owners to take action against demonstrators advocating for civil rights, rejecting the racist Muslim ban, and protesting police brutality against people of color.
Then there is Ted Nugent — the NRA’s most prominent, unabashed bigot. “The Noog” has served as an NRA board member for years and has never been shy about his despicable views on race. Here are just a few of his comments:
He publicly called President Barack Obama a “subhuman mongrel.”
He celebrated the use of the n-word in a column.
He said Civil Rights leaders Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton speak in “ebonic mumbo-jumbo.”
He openly mused that if he saw an undocumented immigrant, he’d like to “shoot them dead.”
He wrote that Travyon Martin was an example of “the same mindless tendency to violence we see in black communities across America.”
On The Alex Jones Show, Nugent said, “The food stamp scam, the welfare scam — blacks can fix the black problem tonight if they…put your heart and soul into being honest, law-abiding, [and] delivering excellence at every move in your life.”
Part of their urban outreach program perhaps? (https://medium.com/@_CSGV/we-know-the-nras-history-yes-it-s-racist-17a3a5188dcb)
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Then why don't you put it on record what you do say about your beliefs.
That is, if you have any, and aren't just a concern troll and tool trying to control the conversations.
How much detail do you want me to go into?
And why is it not surprising that Chaos would argue empowering racists isn't racist.
Well, for one, meeting with racists doesn't mean you're racist yourself. The topic of their meeting wasn't "how to better suppress Asians" or anything like that, it was about public relations in the aftermath of the Christchurch mosque shooting.
Also, is the post page screwy for anyone else?
No, their meeting was on the totally innocent topic of telling a bunch of racists (One Nation Australia, google it seriously) how to spin mass shootings, not long after an Australian Nazi transversed the Tasman and committed a racially motivated mass shooting in NZ.
Direct question: was the meeting about racial issues? Yes or no?
So they're cool with racists and willing to help a cracker out-if that cracker is racist that don't make them racist, what a ghastly notion. I guess palling around with racists is an NRA tradition (https://newrepublic.com/article/112322/gun-control-racist), but hey-let's give them the Chaos benefit of the doubt. Maybe they advised those Aussie racists to sing Kumbaya? Maybe they're still endorsing Matt Shea because they're hoping he gives all those bad racists he tweets to a strong talking to. Some of us think if it walks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck however.
Why do you keep harping on something that happened decades ago? It just makes you look desperate for something, ANYTHING to insult the NRA with.
And I already told you that you haven't proven they endorsed Matt Shea. You only proved that they RATED him. Just admit you've lost on both these points. We'll all be happier if you stopped your argumentum ad nauseum.
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Direct answer: I've told you already what the meeting was about and there's a link. I'm not repeating myself for your shits and giggles and the meeting with One Nation and the NRA happened in 2019.
Also this (https://thinkprogress.org/local-nra-leader-state-legislator-secession-gun-initiative-washington-i1639-d7b79a944ddd/):
Shea, who boasted of an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association and the NRA-PVF’s endorsement on his 2018 re-election site, has proposed that “Liberty” be the nation’s 51st state and lists among his reasons that Washington “Doesn’t Respect the Right to Bear Arms."
The 2019 endorsements aren't completed yet (https://votesmart.org/interest-group/1034/national-rifle-association#.XMzYfegzarw), so hang on to that thin reed if you like.
There's also LaPierre's totally not racist take on the Obama years “eight years of one demographically symbolic president is enough” or Nugent's blunter "subhuman mongrel."
G'wan, lets see your spin about how those comments are not racist. Because unless the NRA starts flying swastikas out their front window there's nothing they can do that might suggest to you in the slightest that they're racist. They can canoodle with racists, say racist shit and have racism boiled into their history but we can't call them racist unless there's a pic somewhere of every single one of them posing for a group photo wearing Klan hoods, even then you'd probably try to pass the hoods off as capirotes.
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Direct answer: I've told you already what the meeting was about and there's a link. I'm not repeating myself for your shits and giggles and the meeting with One Nation and the NRA happened in 2019.
Then you know the meeting had nothing to do with racial issues, so using it as "evidence" of the NRA being racist is tenuous at best.
Also this (https://thinkprogress.org/local-nra-leader-state-legislator-secession-gun-initiative-washington-i1639-d7b79a944ddd/):
Shea, who boasted of an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association and the NRA-PVF’s endorsement on his 2018 re-election site, has proposed that “Liberty” be the nation’s 51st state and lists among his reasons that Washington “Doesn’t Respect the Right to Bear Arms."
The 2019 endorsements aren't completed yet (https://votesmart.org/interest-group/1034/national-rifle-association#.XMzYfegzarw), so hang on to that thin reed if you like.
I saw his re-election site (at least, I think that was what you linked me before). There was no endorsement, only a rating. Show me the endorsement. And even if they endorsed him, that wouldn't prove them racist. Maybe it would prove that they put too much emphasis on a candidate's record on gun laws, I can give you that.
There's also LaPierre's totally not racist take on the Obama years “eight years of one demographically symbolic president is enough” or Nugent's blunter "subhuman mongrel."
G'wan, lets see your spin about how those comments are not racist. Because unless the NRA starts flying swastikas out their front window there's nothing they can do that might suggest to you in the slightest that they're racist. They can canoodle with racists, say racist shit and have racism boiled into their history but we can't call them racist unless there's a pic somewhere of every single one of them posing for a group photo wearing Klan hoods, even then you'd probably try to pass the hoods off as capirotes.
Nugent I'll give you, and I've had my own suspicions about LaPierre. But here's the thing: their comments do not make the NRA a racist organization. Some prominent members making racist statements does not mean the entire organization is racist. I don't think the New York Times is anti-Semitic just because of a certain cartoon they recently published.
And even if you're right and the NRA is racist, your initial comment was about "second amendment types" in general, not just the NRA.
P.S. Stop being a dick. I don't mind you debating about this, but your mockery and condescension is over the line.
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Racists in an organization, a history of racism and very recent palling about with racists don't make them racist-to you because defending anyone short of an out an proud Nazi means you'll grant them the benefit of the doubt. Which is a discernible pattern on your part. Again.
I'm under no obligation to "prove" my case to you or treat the arguments of someone who uses a 'black friend' argument knowing full well that it's a furphy with any seriousness. You can fall back on the rules to the extent that the mods give a damn, I'm not fussed. Good luck with that.
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Direct answer: I've told you already what the meeting was about and there's a link. I'm not repeating myself for your shits and giggles and the meeting with One Nation and the NRA happened in 2019.
Then you know the meeting had nothing to do with racial issues, so using it as "evidence" of the NRA being racist is tenuous at best.
Also this (https://thinkprogress.org/local-nra-leader-state-legislator-secession-gun-initiative-washington-i1639-d7b79a944ddd/):
Shea, who boasted of an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association and the NRA-PVF’s endorsement on his 2018 re-election site, has proposed that “Liberty” be the nation’s 51st state and lists among his reasons that Washington “Doesn’t Respect the Right to Bear Arms."
The 2019 endorsements aren't completed yet (https://votesmart.org/interest-group/1034/national-rifle-association#.XMzYfegzarw), so hang on to that thin reed if you like.
I saw his re-election site (at least, I think that was what you linked me before). There was no endorsement, only a rating. Show me the endorsement. And even if they endorsed him, that wouldn't prove them racist. Maybe it would prove that they put too much emphasis on a candidate's record on gun laws, I can give you that.
There's also LaPierre's totally not racist take on the Obama years “eight years of one demographically symbolic president is enough” or Nugent's blunter "subhuman mongrel."
G'wan, lets see your spin about how those comments are not racist. Because unless the NRA starts flying swastikas out their front window there's nothing they can do that might suggest to you in the slightest that they're racist. They can canoodle with racists, say racist shit and have racism boiled into their history but we can't call them racist unless there's a pic somewhere of every single one of them posing for a group photo wearing Klan hoods, even then you'd probably try to pass the hoods off as capirotes.
Nugent I'll give you, and I've had my own suspicions about LaPierre. But here's the thing: their comments do not make the NRA a racist organization. Some prominent members making racist statements does not mean the entire organization is racist. I don't think the New York Times is anti-Semitic just because of a certain cartoon they recently published.
And even if you're right and the NRA is racist, your initial comment was about "second amendment types" in general, not just the NRA.
P.S. Stop being a dick. I don't mind you debating about this, but your mockery and condescension is over the line.
You're an etchisketch concern troll who water carries for tinpots and nutjobs.
I am in fact going to continue not taking you seriously or honestly debate you. If this pisses you off so much, unleash all that retribution you've threatened.
PUNISH ME, CONCERN TROLL-DADDY.
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Racists in an organization, a history of racism and very recent palling about with racists don't make them racist-to you because defending anyone short of an out an proud Nazi means you'll grant them the benefit of the doubt. Which is a discernible pattern on your part. Again.
I'm under no obligation to "prove" my case to you or treat the arguments of someone who uses a 'black friend' argument knowing full well that it's a furphy with any seriousness. You can fall back on the rules to the extent that the mods give a damn, I'm not fussed. Good luck with that.
A "history" of racism? You mean shit that happened in the 1960s? You're about 50 years late on that. Or should I call the IGLA a bunch of pedophiles because they used to be affiliated with NAMBLA?
I can accept that there's a racist element among the NRA's members, but calling the organization as a whole racist? Nope. You know why? Because of this (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/09/the-nras-internal-revolt-over-philando-castile/?utm_term=.c6ed065c6cce). This internal split proves that there is significant viewpoint diversity among the NRA's membership, meaning that calling all of them racist would be inappropriate.
You're an etchisketch concern troll who water carries for tinpots and nutjobs.
I am in fact going to continue not taking you seriously or honestly debate you. If this pisses you off so much, unleash all that retribution you've threatened.
PUNISH ME, CONCERN TROLL-DADDY.
OK. You asked for it.
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"Because Antifa is kicking up and getting ready to defend, right?”
Getting ready to defend... did he just essentially admit antifa was acting in self defense against fascist nutjobs like himself? Or is this just extremely inarticulate?
@Chaos
"Well, for one, meeting with racists doesn't mean you're racist yourself. The topic of their meeting wasn't "how to better suppress Asians" or anything like that, it was about public relations in the aftermath of the Christchurch mosque shooting."
Yeah, it was about how to come up ways to prevent largely popular forms of gun law reform and blame literally anything but the systems that allowed a racist madman like the shooter to do what he did.
And I'm saying that as someone who's probably more "pro gun" than all the liberals.
Also stop bringing up the internal controversy about Castille because that proves nothing. It was part of the rank and file that were getting fed up with the hypocritical cowardly vile people who run it. The organization itself is rotten at the top. It doesn't reflect on all members necessarily, but it explicitly reflects on the organization as a whole. I wouldn't be shocked if most reasonable people have already left the NRA.
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Well, I believe Lana is back.
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Meadows’ own backyard will be part of the political battlefield as she and other right-leaning groups target U.S. Rep. Lucy McBath, D-Marietta, who represents Georgia’s Sixth Congressional District. Last year, McBath unseated then-incumbent Karen Handel, R-Roswell, who has announced her intention to run for the seat again.
“There will be more than one person in the race, but we'll get that seat back,” Meadows said. “But it is wrong to say like McBath said, that the reason she won was because of her anti-gun stance. That didn't have anything to do with it — it had to do with being a minority female. And the Democrats really turned out, and that's the problem we have with conservatives — we don't turn out as well.”
- https://www.mdjonline.com/news/new-nra-president-cobb-native-aiming-for-higher-membership-reclaiming/article_6732082c-6dc5-11e9-8018-0fe0132c64d9.html#utm_source=mdjonline.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletters%2Fheadlines%2F%3F-dc%3D1557138614&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline
Nope, no racism here. It's just a white woman implying that a black woman won her seat (Newt's old seat in rural Georgia, BTW) because of her blackness...
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"Well, for one, meeting with racists doesn't mean you're racist yourself. The topic of their meeting wasn't "how to better suppress Asians" or anything like that, it was about public relations in the aftermath of the Christchurch mosque shooting."
Yeah, it was about how to come up ways to prevent largely popular forms of gun law reform and blame literally anything but the systems that allowed a racist madman like the shooter to do what he did.
And I'm saying that as someone who's probably more "pro gun" than all the liberals.
What are you talking about? IIRC, the shooter bought his guns in his native Australia. Though that's just what I'm remembering, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Also stop bringing up the internal controversy about Castille because that proves nothing. It was part of the rank and file that were getting fed up with the hypocritical cowardly vile people who run it. The organization itself is rotten at the top. It doesn't reflect on all members necessarily, but it explicitly reflects on the organization as a whole. I wouldn't be shocked if most reasonable people have already left the NRA.
The fact that they took an unusually long time to make a statement implies that there was some dissent at the top too. When a jury deliberates for a while, you know there's debate going on.
And honestly, it seems like you and I judge organizations using different criteria. Maybe that's part of why we're disagreeing.
Meadows’ own backyard will be part of the political battlefield as she and other right-leaning groups target U.S. Rep. Lucy McBath, D-Marietta, who represents Georgia’s Sixth Congressional District. Last year, McBath unseated then-incumbent Karen Handel, R-Roswell, who has announced her intention to run for the seat again.
“There will be more than one person in the race, but we'll get that seat back,” Meadows said. “But it is wrong to say like McBath said, that the reason she won was because of her anti-gun stance. That didn't have anything to do with it — it had to do with being a minority female. And the Democrats really turned out, and that's the problem we have with conservatives — we don't turn out as well.”
- https://www.mdjonline.com/news/new-nra-president-cobb-native-aiming-for-higher-membership-reclaiming/article_6732082c-6dc5-11e9-8018-0fe0132c64d9.html#utm_source=mdjonline.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletters%2Fheadlines%2F%3F-dc%3D1557138614&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline
Nope, no racism here. It's just a white woman implying that a black woman won her seat (Newt's old seat in rural Georgia, BTW) because of her blackness...
Well, it's nice that you acknowledge saying someone only got their job because of their race without any evidence to support it is racist.
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What are you talking about? IIRC, the shooter bought his guns in his native Australia. Though that's just what I'm remembering, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
The Australian who shot up Christchurch NZ, think about it for a second willya? Semi Automatic rifles aren't avaliable in Australia because they were banned back in the 90s after a mass shooting on a similar scale in Port Arthur, Tasmania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia#Port_Arthur_massacre) and straight after this mass shooting in Christchurch New Zealand, the NZ Prime Minister held a press conference declaring strict new gun laws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO2xEqiNSmc).
The terrorist attack demonstrated the weakness of New Zealand gun laws, according to Arden. If she was pissed off about Australia's gun laws believe me she would have been speaking about it then, she's got a rep for being outspoken.
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Well, I believe Lana is back.
I would just like to again suggest 'Incandescent Iguana' as the next iteration's name.
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I'm guessing the next one will just skip the pleasantries and start shrieking "YOU LEFTY COMMIE REAL RACISTS AGAINST WHITE MEN! BAAAAAAAAAAAW!"
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Wonder if he is getting anxious about the fact we're all being quite mean to his poor wittle Nazi Water Carrying self, and not a one of us got so much as scolded by the mods.
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Well, I believe Lana is back.
I would just like to again suggest 'Incandescent Iguana' as the next iteration's name.
"Fair and Balanced" is taken?
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I do wonder how long it'll be until it becomes obvious the mods are not going to be of any assistance to him.
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Well, I believe Lana is back.
I would just like to again suggest 'Incandescent Iguana' as the next iteration's name.
"Fair and Balanced" is taken?
Trademarked actually. Though, my money is on Incorrigible Idiot.
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Wonder if he is getting anxious about the fact we're all being quite mean to his poor wittle Nazi Water Carrying self, and not a one of us got so much as scolded by the mods.
Buddy, you can't judge that. I don't mean you shouldn't (though that's also true), I mean you can't. Remember that time I dismissed the theories that the New Zealand shooter wasn't far-right, and you thought I was agreeing with them?
See for yourself (https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8185.30). And don't bother editing your post to cover up your little mistake. I already archived it.
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Wonder if he is getting anxious about the fact we're all being quite mean to his poor wittle Nazi Water Carrying self, and not a one of us got so much as scolded by the mods.
Buddy, you can't judge that. I don't mean you shouldn't (though that's also true), I mean you can't. Remember that time I dismissed the theories that the New Zealand shooter wasn't far-right, and you thought I was agreeing with them?
See for yourself (https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8185.30). And don't bother editing your post to cover up your little mistake. I already archived it.
Go stuff it.
I don't give less of a crap what you archive or dig up.
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In other news, I've seen some debate about whether the shooter was actually far-right, since he expressed environmentalist and anti-capitalist sentiments in his manifesto. While I haven't read it myself, at least not yet, I'd just like to remind these people that the Nazis were critical of capitalism (considering it one of the methods the Jews used to oppress Germans, surprise surprise), as well as pretty big on animal welfare and protecting the environment.
Hey, I remember Chaos's quote, peddling the same old BS (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-nazis-capitalist-system/) about Hitler being anti capitalist, screw the historical record which shows Nazis and Fascists got their support from big business and looked to middle class and rural voters like a conservative party would (https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302), that big business loved them because they suppressed trade unions (https://www.teachers.org.uk/files/trade-unionists-leaflet.pdf) and one of the first acts of the Nazi government was to ban trade unions in May 2, 1933 (https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/trade-unions-and-nazi-germany/). Payback perhaps for German industrialists paying the fledgling, purportedly anti capitalist NSDAP's debts when they were broke. (https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/how-big-business-bailed-out-nazis) Never mind the fact that capital actually did pretty well (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/capitalism-and-nazism/)under the Nazis or that there are plenty of far right loons nicking lefty symbols (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/california-racists-claim-they%E2%80%99re-anarchists) that aren't fooling anyone.
Except those who really want, or want others to believe that, for the sake of the holy centre (which must be preserved) I guess. Prepare yourselves for pics of Nazi's with anti-capitalist friends incoming...
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C'mom Tol, They weren't called the National SOCIALISTS for nothing. Clearly the Nazis were left wing socialists.
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C'mom Tol, They weren't called the National SOCIALISTS for nothing. Clearly the Nazis were left wing socialists.
By the same immutable logic that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea are Democrats, thanks Obama!
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In other news, I've seen some debate about whether the shooter was actually far-right, since he expressed environmentalist and anti-capitalist sentiments in his manifesto. While I haven't read it myself, at least not yet, I'd just like to remind these people that the Nazis were critical of capitalism (considering it one of the methods the Jews used to oppress Germans, surprise surprise), as well as pretty big on animal welfare and protecting the environment.
Hey, I remember Chaos's quote, peddling the same old BS (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-nazis-capitalist-system/) about Hitler being anti capitalist, screw the historical record which shows Nazis and Fascists got their support from big business and looked to middle class and rural voters like a conservative party would (https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302), that big business loved them because they suppressed trade unions (https://www.teachers.org.uk/files/trade-unionists-leaflet.pdf) and one of the first acts of the Nazi government was to ban trade unions in May 2, 1933. Payback perhaps for German industrialists paying the fledgling, purportedly anti capitalist NSDAP's debts when they were broke. (https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/how-big-business-bailed-out-nazis) Never mind the fact that capital actually did pretty well (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/capitalism-and-nazism/)under the Nazis or that there are plenty of far right loons nicking lefty symbols (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/california-racists-claim-they%E2%80%99re-anarchists) that aren't fooling anyone.
Except those who really want, or want others to believe that, for the sake of the holy centre (which must be preserved) I guess. Prepare yourselves for pics of Nazi's with anti-capitalist friends incoming...
You're right, the Nazis were willing to buddy up with capitalists when it suited them. They were also willing to buddy up with communists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact) when it suited them, so I don't know what that proves, except that they believed the enemy of their enemy was their friend.
OK, that was tongue in cheek. More seriously, I said that the Nazis were critical of capitalism, not that they were hardcore anti-capitalists. You're strawmaning me. They were willing to work within a capitalist system, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't criticize it, or that it was their ideal economic system. Many of their seemingly pro-big business policies were borne out of necessity, not as capitalist as they seemed, or both. For example, a lot of people point to Nazi privatization of industries and use it to call them "capitalist". However, not only were they motivated partly by wanting to raise funds (so they could make up for budget deficits caused by their massive military spending), this privatization was applied within a framework of increasing state control over the economy. And AFAIK, they were never in favor of a free market system.
Of course, Nazi ideas about economics were nebulous and inconsistent. Looking at the economy of Nazi Germany, it's a mish-mash of a whole bunch of different ideas.
C'mom Tol, They weren't called the National SOCIALISTS for nothing. Clearly the Nazis were left wing socialists.
By the same immutable logic that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea are Democrats, thanks Obama!
I never claimed the Nazis were socialists either. Why don't you talk about what I actually said, rather than what you want me to have said?
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C'mom Tol, They weren't called the National SOCIALISTS for nothing. Clearly the Nazis were left wing socialists.
By the same immutable logic that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea are Democrats, thanks Obama!
I mean just look at the Democratic Republic of Congo. Thanks Obama!
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A neutrality pact isn't "buddying up" FFS.
The Pact was terminated on 22 June 1941, when the Wehrmacht launched Operation Barbarossa and invaded the Soviet Union
So, not so much buddies huh. You still get Nazi's "critical of capitalism" but that doesn't mean shit, Nazis are critical of non-Nazi societies because they aren't 100% Nazi not because they're philosophically opposed to property ownership. They're all for property ownership, as long as those owners are honkies. (http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capitalisback/CountryData/Germany/Other/Pre1950Series/RefsHistoricalGermanAccounts/BuchheimScherner06.pdf)
Nazi ideology held entrepreneurship in high regard. Private property was considered a precondition to developing the creativity of members of the German race in the best interest of the people.
Yes, we remember what you said. You said this:
I'd just like to remind these people that the Nazis were critical of capitalism (considering it one of the methods the Jews used to oppress Germans, surprise surprise)
Nah, the Nazis were critical of Jews and were just as likely to caricature them as greedy misers as troublemaking commies because...they fucking hated Jews. Learn a new thing every day.
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If you read what Hitler had to say about Slavs, it's pretty clear that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was made for the purpose of keeping the USSR out of Germany's way while they ran roughshod over Western Europe. If anyone was considering going further, it was Stalin, who was considering a formal alliance right up until Hitler decided that Russia would be good lebensraum for the Germans.
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Man, imagine if Hitler hadn't been a meth addict with a brain turned to Swiss cheese by syphilis.
The Nazis would've still failed, but they might've held out a little longer if their leader hadn't been a knob of butter shy of a baked potato.
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MOD MODE: IF you insist on having this off topic argument, do it in Flame & Burn. Not in this thread. This is the final warning.
Now back to topic: https://www.inlander.com/spokane/rep-sheas-secret-group-discussed-sending-severed-wolf-tail-and-testicles-to-environmental-activist/Content?oid=17572893
Among other moments, Three Percenter Anthony Bosworth — the guy who Shea feted with a "2016 Patriot of the Year" award and sent down to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge as a "security specialist" to "de-escalate" the standoff — discussed targeting alleged "antifa" members by confronting their parents, their workplaces, their landlords and targeting their "safe spaces"... "while they're out on the streets rioting."
"If we can catch a few of them alone and work him over a little bit," Bosworth wrote, according to the Guardian. While Shea was not quoted directly encouraging violence, he offered to help run background checks for those who were.
Would you look at that. It's the same guy again. Totally not a Fascist and technically not encouraging violence but he is more than happy to use his position to do background checks and help Fascists find their victims...
And when the group started talking about killing a wolf and sending the tail and testicles to an enviromentalist...
"These transplanted wolf packs can be traced back through DNA," Bosworth writes. "Get me the testicles off a North Idaho wolf and I'll send it to him."
A dozen minutes later on Signal, Shea — using the screen name Verumbellator — gives Bosworth a warning. To be clear, he doesn't warn Bosworth that he shouldn't cut the tail and testicles off a North Idaho wolf corpse to send to environmental activist along with a skull and crossbones.
Instead, he warns Bosworth that they shouldn't talk about this stuff electronically, and instead they should do it face-to-face.
"This is not something to put out electronically," Shea writes. "We need to meet f2f."
...He's not concerned about their terror tactics, he only cares about making sure that they don't get caught.
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He's a very careful "not Fascist" innit?
"Hey, just because I hang with them, enable them and support them doesn't mean we want the same things."