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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2295 on: September 12, 2014, 04:40:04 pm »
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2296 on: September 16, 2014, 01:56:21 am »
I just found out that Florida has improved their Stand your ground laws.

It still allows you to kill people with flimsy reasons but now it also allows you to legally fire a warning shot (for equally flimsy reasons.)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-extends-stand-ground-include-warning-shots/story?id=24244906

No, I'm not joking and this is a good thing. Previously that woman had been looking at 20 years in jail for firing a warning shot. If she had instead fired the gun at the man and killed him she would have walked free right there and then. Because of this I frequently see internet discussions where yanks warn against firing warning shots or even warning the robbers/attackers and say that the only option a person has when they pull out a gun is to kill someone. (they give the same advice regardless of what country the discussion was about because obviously US laws apply to the whole world)

Really. Anything less than a need to kill someone is not a reason to take out a gun and IF you ever need to defend yourself in USA (according to them) you MUST kill...

Now if the attacker stops/runs when you fire a warning shot in Florida you will no longer automatically go to jail. (It might also mean that some people WILL fire that warning shot rather than going straight for the kill which was previously the only legal option for them.)
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2297 on: September 16, 2014, 11:41:01 am »
I'm considering selling a few of my old video games, including some older Zelda titles that I now have on the Wii Virtual Console and thus no longer need the cartridges for.

If I ever do sell my copy of Majora's Mask, I'm thinking of creating two save files named "BEN" and "DROWNED" just to screw with whoever buys it.

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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2298 on: September 16, 2014, 12:21:33 pm »
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2299 on: September 16, 2014, 12:24:19 pm »
I just found out that Florida has improved their Stand your ground laws.

It still allows you to kill people with flimsy reasons but now it also allows you to legally fire a warning shot (for equally flimsy reasons.)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-extends-stand-ground-include-warning-shots/story?id=24244906

No, I'm not joking and this is a good thing. Previously that woman had been looking at 20 years in jail for firing a warning shot. If she had instead fired the gun at the man and killed him she would have walked free right there and then. Because of this I frequently see internet discussions where yanks warn against firing warning shots or even warning the robbers/attackers and say that the only option a person has when they pull out a gun is to kill someone. (they give the same advice regardless of what country the discussion was about because obviously US laws apply to the whole world)

Really. Anything less than a need to kill someone is not a reason to take out a gun and IF you ever need to defend yourself in USA (according to them) you MUST kill...

Now if the attacker stops/runs when you fire a warning shot in Florida you will no longer automatically go to jail. (It might also mean that some people WILL fire that warning shot rather than going straight for the kill which was previously the only legal option for them.)

The reason you're not supposed to fire a warning shot is because of a few things:

1. If you actually have a legitimate need to pull out a gun and fire it, the situation has escalated to the point where killing the threat is justifiable. There's no legally defensible situation (at least when you're shooting at white people in America) where you can draw and fire a gun when the situation hasn't come to that point yet. If you do, you're escalating it to include lethal force. If the fight isn't yet at the point where you would be justified in using lethal force, don't start shooting a gun in the air.

2. Bullets don't just evaporate. A bullet that misses the target (intentionally or otherwise) can travel a very long distance with lethal energy (even a .22 pistol can cause a deadly injury hundreds of yards away), and ricochets can maintain lethal energy after bouncing off the sidewalk. Even if they don't, your bullet is going to cause damage to whatever it hits. And firing a gun into the air is just plain dumb, considering how many people have been killed by falling bullets.

The reason that woman was looking at jail time is because she was a black woman in the south.
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2300 on: September 16, 2014, 02:17:08 pm »
1. So you are telling me that if someone is coming at you with a knife and you have a pistol you should just pull out the gun and shoot him rather than a) pointing the gun at him and telling him to back off or else b) Firing a warning shot if a does not work?

2. I did not say "fire blindly into air." This is why you need to know where you are shooting at. a) Fire at the ground (if it is something that does not ricochet bullets like conrete can) b) Fire at something that will stop the bullet.
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2301 on: September 16, 2014, 03:12:18 pm »
I'd say that afbetten way to deter a threat is simply to unholster your gun, don't point it at anything, just make the person aware you have the capabiliteit to use lethal force. This allows the agressor the ability to back down.

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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2302 on: September 16, 2014, 03:48:02 pm »
I'd say that afbetten way to deter a threat is simply to unholster your gun, don't point it at anything, just make the person aware you have the capabiliteit to use lethal force. This allows the agressor the ability to back down.
Which is automatically "brandishing a weapon" if open carry is not allowed in that location. Or so I have heard from the mall-ninjas of the internet.
No matter what happens, no matter what my last words may end up being, I want everyone to claim that they were:
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2303 on: September 16, 2014, 08:16:47 pm »
Any of you remember that Tumblr argument generator I found a few months or so ago? Well, I found an even better one.

Enjoy!
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2304 on: September 16, 2014, 09:44:47 pm »
1. So you are telling me that if someone is coming at you with a knife and you have a pistol you should just pull out the gun and shoot him rather than a) pointing the gun at him and telling him to back off or else b) Firing a warning shot if a does not work?

2. I did not say "fire blindly into air." This is why you need to know where you are shooting at. a) Fire at the ground (if it is something that does not ricochet bullets like conrete can) b) Fire at something that will stop the bullet.

1. Have you ever heard of the 21 Foot Rule?

2. I also didn't say to shoot blindly. The problem is that you're suggesting that people quickly analyze the area and find a sufficient backstop where you can safely fire a gun that isn't the person moving to kill you. Concrete can ricochet, glass shatters, doors are right out. If you're in an urban area (very likely if you're drawing a handgun for self-defense), there really isn't a definitely safe backstop.
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2305 on: September 17, 2014, 01:02:17 am »
1. No.

2. Being aware of what is behind the target is equally important everytime you pull the trigger. If people can not do that then how can they ever fire a gun? Especially in stress situations like being forced to defend your life accuracy drops conciderably for most people and misses become more common.
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2306 on: September 17, 2014, 10:31:59 am »
Okay, the fact that you haven't heard of the 21 Foot Rule probably explains a lot behind your reasoning. Basically, 21 feet is about as close as you can let an attacker get without him being so close that he could charge and attack you with a melee weapon before you can draw your gun. Watch this video and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. It's a much longer distance than you'd expect, and not everyone is a quick draw artist. It gets even worse if the attacker was already running by the time you noticed him, and it's unlikely that even 30 feet would give you enough distance to draw and shoot. Trying to draw on a guy with a knife and fire a warning shot when he's moving toward you is downright suicidal if he's less than 20 feet away.

On the subject of warning shots into backstops, it's impossible to truly be able to compensate for what's behind your target every time you fire. For one, the target may be blocking a far away person or object you don't want to shoot. But it's quite often that you won't be able to immediately adjust your position or point of aim in a self-defense situation to ensure that there's a safe backstop behind the target. I'm willing to bet that if you were placed in a real CCW test situation and asked to fire a warning shot off the cuff without prior preparation, you'd hit or come dangerously close to something you don't want to shoot unless you were out in an open field.

Again, if the situation has not escalated enough that you're actually ready to shoot and kill someone, don't pull out a gun and try to fire it in a non-lethal manner. The same goes for trying to shoot an attacker's limbs. Or worse, trying to shoot a fleeing suspect in the legs and hoping that it simply disables him and you didn't plug his femoral artery with a bullet.
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2307 on: September 17, 2014, 11:29:30 am »
I've heard Hollow point is good for dwaling with attackers.

It's high lethality means you'll have an easier time dropping a drug crazed attacker.
In addition, the bullet tends not to penetrate all the way through
(I'm basically an armchair gun specialist, so correct me if I'm wrong)
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2308 on: September 17, 2014, 12:15:02 pm »
I've heard Holloway point is good for dwaling with attackers.

It's high lethality means you'll have an easier time dropping a drug crazed attacker.
In addition, the bullet tends not to penetrate all the way through
(I'm basically an armchair gun specialist, so correct me if I'm wrong)

Holloway points.
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Re: Thread Killer
« Reply #2309 on: September 17, 2014, 12:39:16 pm »
I've heard Holloway point is good for dwaling with attackers.

It's high lethality means you'll have an easier time dropping a drug crazed attacker.
In addition, the bullet tends not to penetrate all the way through
(I'm basically an armchair gun specialist, so correct me if I'm wrong)

Holloway points.
Sorry, *hollow
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edit: turned it off, that should help, now you only have to deal with my horrific spelling
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