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Re: Who Wants To Debate An On-The-Fence Libertarian?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2013, 09:59:21 pm »
Yes, even the Star Wars prequels, and that even includes the shit ton of Palpatine/Anakin shipping fics they've inspired(I don't endorse that horrible shipping pair). Also Padme is more of a "teenager" than a women.
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Re: Who Wants To Debate An On-The-Fence Libertarian?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2013, 03:26:02 pm »
Proposition: The knee-jerk glibertarian reaction to what they call "Big Government" is largely zero-sum, replacing the authority of that largely democratic, transparent institution with the authority of undemocratic, legally-secret corporations who certainly will not act in the public interest.

This is probably the biggest roadblock to being able to call myself a libertarian.  I have basically come to the conclusion that corporations are evil and destructive entities, but hold out little hope for them losing power any time soon.  That said, I will take issue with calling the government 'transparent.'  America really has become a much more closed, paranoid society since 9/11, with little hope of this trend slowing down as far as I can see.  Essentially, I have lived in utter terror of the federal government basically since the passage of the Patriot Act, with things only getting worse form there.

You sound like you're buying into the American sense of libertarianism is the true form of libertarianism, and forgetting that libertarianism has more of a left leaning/socialist origins in the political sense.
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Well, I am an American, so it's only natural that I should tend to think in American political terms.  That said, I probably should have at least nodded towards the older definition of 'libertarian', especially since that's a better descriptor of where I fall politically (I call my political affiliation 'left-syndicalism' myself, but that's neither here nor there).  I do have legitimate disagreements with much of the modern left, however, and often feel unwelcome in their presence because of those disagreements.  This topic is my way of trying to clear the air so we can reach an understanding and start working together against the military-prison-security-industrial complex I view as the real enemy.

Yes, even the Star Wars prequels, and that even includes the shit ton of Palpatine/Anakin shipping fics they've inspired(I don't endorse that horrible shipping pair). Also Padme is more of a "teenager" than a women.

I'll level with you all here: I can't bring myself to hate the prequel trilogy.  How could I possibly do that when Episode I gave us the excellent Star Wars: The Battle for Naboo, Episode II led into The Clone Wars, Episode III really wasn't all that bad and all three contributed to the transcendental win that is Darths & Droids?  Besides, by the time Episode II rolled around, the Expanded Universe was where it was at.  I can't speak to the Anakin/Palpatine fics, though—even in my fanfic-reading days, I stayed well clear of the Star Wars fandom.

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Re: Who Wants To Debate An On-The-Fence Libertarian?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2013, 05:16:42 pm »
...I actually kinda like Anakin.  Both as a kid and as an angsty teen (though to be fair he spent 90% of the time snarking like his master does and the rest of the 10% actually being angsty)
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Re: Who Wants To Debate An On-The-Fence Libertarian?
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2013, 02:06:29 pm »
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Re: Who Wants To Debate An On-The-Fence Libertarian?
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2013, 11:47:14 am »
...I actually kinda like Anakin.  Both as a kid and as an angsty teen (though to be fair he spent 90% of the time snarking like his master does and the rest of the 10% actually being angsty)

I personally feel they did a better job with Anakin in the Clone Wars cartoons, then they did in the movies. Also Knight, you don't want to read any Palpakin, trust me. But to be fair, I'm . not that big a fan of slash to begin with, 2. My ultimate Star Wars prequel shipping pair is Palpatine and Padme, so...
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Re: Who Wants To Debate An On-The-Fence Libertarian?
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2013, 06:07:17 pm »
...I actually kinda like Anakin.  Both as a kid and as an angsty teen (though to be fair he spent 90% of the time snarking like his master does and the rest of the 10% actually being angsty)

I personally feel they did a better job with Anakin in the Clone Wars cartoons, then they did in the movies. Also Knight, you don't want to read any Palpakin, trust me. But to be fair, I'm . not that big a fan of slash to begin with, 2. My ultimate Star Wars prequel shipping pair is Palpatine and Padme, so...

Oh, come on! Why do you think Palpatine chose tight black leather for Vader's life-support suit? ;)
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Re: Who Wants To Debate An On-The-Fence Libertarian?
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2013, 06:54:33 pm »
Is it wrong that I've just been reminded of this one piece of artwork I came across with Vader on all fours on a chain with Palpatine at the other end??

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Re: Who Wants To Debate An On-The-Fence Libertarian?
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2013, 09:36:13 pm »
...I actually kinda like Anakin.  Both as a kid and as an angsty teen (though to be fair he spent 90% of the time snarking like his master does and the rest of the 10% actually being angsty)

I personally feel they did a better job with Anakin in the Clone Wars cartoons, then they did in the movies. Also Knight, you don't want to read any Palpakin, trust me. But to be fair, I'm . not that big a fan of slash to begin with, 2. My ultimate Star Wars prequel shipping pair is Palpatine and Padme, so...

Hey, they did everything better in the Clone Wars cartoons, at least, they did if you're talking about the 2d one. I frickin loved that.
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Re: Who Wants To Debate An On-The-Fence Libertarian?
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2013, 09:47:15 pm »
I'm talking about both Clone Wars series.