Why all the Libertarian hate?

[MadmanJohnson]

On this forum, I've seemed to notice a hostility towards Libertarian views. Why is this?

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Generally, when people around here say "Libertarian", they're referring to the "fuck you got mine" brand of (typically American) Libertarians.

[Askold]

I don't like the ideology. I think trying to implement it on a national scale is as bad idea as pure communism, though from different reasons.

The libertarians themselves I'll judge on personal basis so I don't hate anyone just because they are a libertarian. Though as Mlle said so poetically, "fuck you, I've got mine" ideology is a all too common interpretation of libertalianism.

[Sleepy]

Minimizing the government to the extent that some libertarians advocate is really not ideal if you want a half-decent society. A lot of the ones I've encountered are big on states' rights, which I can understand in some circumstances, but not with basic human rights (gay marriage, for example). The more vocal ones seem to scream "FREEDOM FROM THE GOVERNMENT!" without realizing what that would mean for our nation.

[Vypernight]

Usually, when I read about Libertarians, they seem to be conservative about economics but liberal about social issues.  That's how the Republicans should be.  Instead of saying they have a plan to fix the economy but spend the entire time bitching about abortion or banning gays, fix the #%%@#%%^ economy like you claimed you could!

Libertarians seem to have the right ideas, though a few take the, 'don't regulate' idea a little too far.   

[Iconic Komodo Dragon 2]

Ron Paul

[MadmanJohnson]

Ron Paul

RAAAAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! HATE HATE HATE RON PAUL.

[Her3tiK]

Ron Paul

Generally, when people around here say "Libertarian", they're referring to the "fuck you got mine" brand of (typically American) Libertarians.

These both sum it up pretty well.

[Mira]

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[MadmanJohnson]

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WE HATES RON PAUL! WE HATES HIM!

[Askold]

Minimizing the government to the extent that some libertarians advocate is really not ideal if you want a half-decent society. A lot of the ones I've encountered are big on states' rights, which I can understand in some circumstances, but not with basic human rights (gay marriage, for example). The more vocal ones seem to scream "FREEDOM FROM THE GOVERNMENT!" without realizing what that would mean for our nation.

This brings up one thing that I've been wondering for a while now...

If libertarianists really want a small goverment then why don't they suggest getting rid of the states? I mean the states are just another unnecessary level of goverment. USA makes laws at federal level and then some state makes laws that are conflict with federal laws or make add restrictions that do not exist on federal level? That's insanity.

The "small goverment" crowd are complaining about every single dollar spent by Obama's goverment but do not care about this double goverment system? Where's the logic? You literally have cases where the states are going against the wishes of the US goverment and need the supreme court to put them in line.

But somehow all those small goverment types are also supportive of state rights.

(I could understand the need for states a hundred years ago. Maybe even few decades ago but now with the advancement of technology and communications in particular there is no need to have so many levels of administration.)


I would also like to point out that almost 50% of what Ron Paul says is actually good ideas, which is more than you can say for many other politicians.

[Her3tiK]

Minimizing the government to the extent that some libertarians advocate is really not ideal if you want a half-decent society. A lot of the ones I've encountered are big on states' rights, which I can understand in some circumstances, but not with basic human rights (gay marriage, for example). The more vocal ones seem to scream "FREEDOM FROM THE GOVERNMENT!" without realizing what that would mean for our nation.

This brings up one thing that I've been wondering for a while now...

If libertarianists really want a small goverment then why don't they suggest getting rid of the states? I mean the states are just another unnecessary level of goverment. USA makes laws at federal level and then some state makes laws that are conflict with federal laws or make add restrictions that do not exist on federal level? That's insanity.

The "small goverment" crowd are complaining about every single dollar spent by Obama's goverment but do not care about this double goverment system? Where's the logic? You literally have cases where the states are going against the wishes of the US goverment and need the supreme court to put them in line.

But somehow all those small goverment types are also supportive of state rights.

(I could understand the need for states a hundred years ago. Maybe even few decades ago but now with the advancement of technology and communications in particular there is no need to have so many levels of administration.)


I would also like to point out that almost 50% of what Ron Paul says is actually good ideas, which is more than you can say for many other politicians.

Probably because they don't think that far ahead. I mean really, do you think the secessionist types, few though they are, have any idea just how badly things would go for them if they actually declared their state a sovereign nation? Even assuming, say, the South/Bible Belt seceded all at once, they would be crushed militarily before the week was over. All they're interested in is an environment where they can do what they like, when they like, without being legally obligated to care about the repercussions.

As to Ron Paul: I agree with him completely that we have no business meddling in the affairs of other countries, including having military installations outside our borders. But when it comes to any domestic policy whatsoever, especially economics, he is out of his goddamned mind.

[mythbuster43]

Usually, when I read about Libertarians, they seem to be conservative about economics but liberal about social issues.  That's how the Republicans should be.  Instead of saying they have a plan to fix the economy but spend the entire time bitching about abortion or banning gays, fix the #%%@#%%^ economy like you claimed you could!

Libertarians seem to have the right ideas, though a few take the, 'don't regulate' idea a little too far.

Agreed. I would find it easier to be more Libertarian if so many of them didn't take such an absolutist stand against regulation.

[Jack Mann]

US libertarians often have this notion that states would make the right kind of laws.  No regulation of industry, lax gun control, that sort of thing.  They have this notion that the state government is closer, and thus more accountable.

On the topic of Ron Paul, he's a hypocrite who's concerned about what the federal government commands, unless it's something he wants, in which case he's for it.  He's against right to privacy, ability to purchase birth control, and he supported DOMA.

[Osama bin Bambi]

I identify as left-libertarian and think libertarianism in general has its good points. A lack of overreaching regulations can be good for a lot of things, but that only goes so far. However, many American libertarians today oppose certain government actions and programs not because they have any strong reasons to suggest they are unnecessary or ineffective, but simply to be difficult and oppositional. Many (see: Ron Paul) also value economic freedom far above political freedom, or states' rights above individual rights. For instance, there are libertarians who would balk at a federal ban of GMO foods or a federal civilian surveillance program, but would have no problem with a state deciding to make "sodomy" a criminal offense or mandating Christian prayer in public schools. To these people, states and corporations have rights, but not individuals. Many of them are also opposed to the 14th Amendment.