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Community => Society and History => Topic started by: Damen on November 19, 2015, 04:06:47 pm
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Today marks International Men's Day with the focus this year on men's reproductive issues such as a lack of reproductive choices, family planning, sexual health, and safe sexual practices.
Not too long ago I came across an article that scientists in India had developed a birth control injection for men (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-perfect-birth-control-for-men-is-here-why-cant-we-use-it) that is has an overwhelming success rate, low side effects, is effective for 10 years, is completely reversible with another injection and is touted as being cheaper than the syringe used to inject it...back in the 1970s. [cynical asshole]But there's no money to be made on a super cheap one time injection that lasts a decade, so fuck it.[/cynical asshole]
Some of the past issues IMD has tried to raise awareness of has been helping men improve their life expectancy, tackling violence against men and boys, the raising rates of suicide among men, the failing of men and boys in the educational system and how society tolerates violence against men among other things as well as domestic violence against men.
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the way you put it, i'm all for raising awareness of these issues. but as you also put it:
[cynical asshole] i smell a shitstorm a-comin' with mra's and misandrists tarpitting the debate into oblivion [/cynical asshole]
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Normally I don't read Huffington Post, but they have a bunch of good articles up about mental health issues for men.
here's one for example (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ruth-sutherland/mental-health_b_8554340.html)
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But (cis) men already have condoms, right?
Seriously though, men do suffer issues specific to them, these issues are often downplayed and silenced and it's a good thing that there's an awareness day to show that men can be just as vulnerable as anyone else.
[cynical asshole]inb4 MRAs try to try to blame feminism or women for these issues somehow[/cynical asshole]
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the way you put it, i'm all for raising awareness of these issues. but as you also put it:
[cynical asshole] i smell a shitstorm a-comin' with mra's and misandrists tarpitting the debate into oblivion [/cynical asshole]
There's always the chance that shit flinging will happen between those two groups [cynical asshole]and I'm bracing myself for it[/cynical asshole] but I'm hoping that people can check those impulses at the door [cynical asshole]though I'm also aware of what history has shown will be likely to happen[/cynical asshole], however I do feel strongly that these issues among others are ones that seriously need to be talked about more.
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Ever notice that in society there's a real lack of a conversation on mental health for both men and women? It's almost as if we really don't like being considered "crazy".
Ironbite-weird that.
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Seriously. The brain is an organ. It gets sick like any other.
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Seriously. The brain is an organ. It gets sick like any other.
I wish people had an easier time grasping that fact.
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Seriously. The brain is an organ. It gets sick like any other.
Easily one of the best analogies I've ever heard.
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I can't claim credit; I just saw it somewhere.
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Calling it now, it'll devolve into an MRA/Feminazi poo flinging match within seconds.
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Not too long ago I came across an article that scientists in India had developed a birth control injection for men (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-perfect-birth-control-for-men-is-here-why-cant-we-use-it) that is has an overwhelming success rate, low side effects, is effective for 10 years, is completely reversible with another injection and is touted as being cheaper than the syringe used to inject it...back in the 1970s. [cynical asshole]But there's no money to be made on a super cheap one time injection that lasts a decade, so fuck it.[/cynical asshole]
Sounds a bit too conspiratorial to me. The devil's in the details with "overwhelming success rate, low side effects", so they're figuring out the risks with clinical trials -- the phase III trials in India were stopped because of reports of scrotal swelling and albumin in the urine, which may or may not be due to the drug or the way the trial was done.
So yeah, I'm not buying the Big Pharma conspiracy theory here, besides the unfortunate patent laws that would make such a treatment unnecessarily expensive for several years.
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Calling it now, it'll devolve into an MRA/Feminazi poo flinging match within seconds.
Is there anyone on this forum who could qualify as a "feminazi"?
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Calling it now, it'll devolve into an MRA/Feminazi poo flinging match within seconds.
Is there anyone on this forum who could qualify as a "feminazi"?
you know, when i said something to the same tune, i was talking about the blogosphere in general. i'm sure art meant the same thing.
regarding your question, we've chased off most extremist points of view. we've all got our pet peeves and berserk buttons, but nothing of the "feminazi" caliber, i don't think.
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nothing of the "feminazi" caliber, i don't think.
Considering Rush Limbaugh came up with the term "feminazi", I suspect it covers anyone who isn't a pig-headed chauvanist.
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Calling it now, it'll devolve into an MRA/Feminazi poo flinging match within seconds.
Is there anyone on this forum who could qualify as a "feminazi"?
you know, when i said something to the same tune, i was talking about the blogosphere in general. i'm sure art meant the same thing.
That is correct.
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Seriously. The brain is an organ. It gets sick like any other.
I wish people had an easier time grasping that fact.
I think it is because to most people they see their brain and their "soul" as two separate entities. They dont realize that who we are is only our brain, that an injury or illness to the brain can change someones fundamental nature almost instantly.
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nothing of the "feminazi" caliber, i don't think.
Considering Rush Limbaugh came up with the term "feminazi", I suspect it covers anyone who isn't a pig-headed chauvanist.
The irony of that neologism is that the Nazis were pretty misogynistic.
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I heard Even thinks it's wrong to violently assault a woman if they yell at you.
...what? I mean, fucking of course that would be wrong, for any gender, but when has that ever come up?
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I heard Even thinks it's wrong to violently assault a woman if they yell at you.
...what? I mean, fucking of course that would be wrong, for any gender, but when has that ever come up?
He was being sarcastic. Read the entire post and how it relates to the one before it.
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...I just woke up, so I can't see the link at all.
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Calling it now, it'll devolve into an MRA/Feminazi poo flinging match within seconds.
Is there anyone on this forum who could qualify as a "feminazi"?
you know, when i said something to the same tune, i was talking about the blogosphere in general. i'm sure art meant the same thing.
That is correct.
Ah, yeah, that started before IMD even happened. The University of York was planning on celebrating it and the dregs of the feminist movement flipped out. They ended up sending an open letter (http://www.nouse.co.uk/2015/11/16/open-letter-blasts-universitys-decision-to-mark-international-mens-day-read-it-here/) to the university bitching about it, actually claiming that “gender equality is for everyone” was “misogynistic”. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/how-can-we-help-men-talk-if-we-wont-talk-about-mens-issues/) The University caved (https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/university-york-apologises-over-crass-celebration-international-mens-day) and actually said "The main focus of our gender equality work will be on the inequalities faced by women." (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3325113/Anger-University-York-cancels-International-Men-s-Day-event-hundreds-students-staff-complained-promote-gender-inequality.html) [cynical asshole]So, ya know, promote equality by ignoring half of the population.[/cynical asshole] Of interest as well, Breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/18/male-university-of-york-student-commits-suicide-on-day-his-university-ditches-international-mens-day-after-pressure-from-feminists/) came out with a story that the day before the University made the choice to cancel their recognition of IMD, a day to bring awareness of (among other things) the increasing rates of male suicide, one of their students killed himself. Of course, coming from Breitbart.com, take the story with a pillar of salt.
Nevertheless, there's been outcry over the University's choice by feminists, men and, of course, the dregs of the MRA movement [cynical asshole](who could have foreseen that?)[/cynical asshole]. So, yeah, it took negative hours before the poo flinging from both sides started.
Honestly it really hurts to see this issue, which should not be at all controversial, become bogged down in gender politics by people who just want to push their own agenda. The worst part is that, unlike with, say, firearms (another issue I'm [obviously] involved in), I can't even understand why. Other topics, when they become politicized, I at least can see why that is but this time I am completely baffled.
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Time for First Dog on the Moon:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2015/nov/20/lets-celebrate-men-then-lets-make-fun-of-celebrating-men-then-lets-feel-bad-about-it-all (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2015/nov/20/lets-celebrate-men-then-lets-make-fun-of-celebrating-men-then-lets-feel-bad-about-it-all)
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i did not like that cartoon. it managed to hit the mra's and the feminists while not achieving anything.
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i did not like that cartoon. it managed to hit the mra's and the feminists while not achieving anything.
The general impression I get is that the artist thinks men are better off than women and should not get any special recognition. Look at the wording, when men criticize feminists it's "mansplaining" and they are trying to be bigger victims than women (because the idea that they might just want to innocently point out that men suffer as well is not possible and it must be an evil scheme to undermine feminism.) There is the one mention that a lot more men die from suicides than women but it is immediately followed by several panels pointing out that men are still much better off than women and simply having a dick means that you will never suffer as much as women do. ...And it ends by saying that men should just let feminists defend them (because having a separate equality movement for men or a movement that seeks equality for everyone is not an option for some reason?)
There is no criticism of feminists (or radical feminists) who attack men's day but instead it attacks any man who would defend men's day...
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i did not like that cartoon. it managed to hit the mra's and the feminists while not achieving anything.
The general impression I get is that the artist thinks men are better off than women and should not get any special recognition. Look at the wording, when men criticize feminists it's "mansplaining" and they are trying to be bigger victims than women (because the idea that they might just want to innocently point out that men suffer as well is not possible and it must be an evil scheme to undermine feminism.) There is the one mention that a lot more men die from suicides than women but it is immediately followed by several panels pointing out that men are still much better off than women and simply having a dick means that you will never suffer as much as women do. ...And it ends by saying that men should just let feminists defend them (because having a separate equality movement for men or a movement that seeks equality for everyone is not an option for some reason?)
There is no criticism of feminists (or radical feminists) who attack men's day but instead it attacks any man who would defend men's day...
Basically this, 100%. pretty shitty cartoon.
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Calling it now, it'll devolve into an MRA/Feminazi poo flinging match within seconds.
Is there anyone on this forum who could qualify as a "feminazi"?
you know, when i said something to the same tune, i was talking about the blogosphere in general. i'm sure art meant the same thing.
That is correct.
Ah, yeah, that started before IMD even happened. The University of York was planning on celebrating it and the dregs of the feminist movement flipped out. They ended up sending an open letter (http://www.nouse.co.uk/2015/11/16/open-letter-blasts-universitys-decision-to-mark-international-mens-day-read-it-here/) to the university bitching about it, actually claiming that “gender equality is for everyone” was “misogynistic”. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/how-can-we-help-men-talk-if-we-wont-talk-about-mens-issues/) The University caved (https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/university-york-apologises-over-crass-celebration-international-mens-day) and actually said "The main focus of our gender equality work will be on the inequalities faced by women." (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3325113/Anger-University-York-cancels-International-Men-s-Day-event-hundreds-students-staff-complained-promote-gender-inequality.html) [cynical asshole]So, ya know, promote equality by ignoring half of the population.[/cynical asshole] Of interest as well, Breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/18/male-university-of-york-student-commits-suicide-on-day-his-university-ditches-international-mens-day-after-pressure-from-feminists/) came out with a story that the day before the University made the choice to cancel their recognition of IMD, a day to bring awareness of (among other things) the increasing rates of male suicide, one of their students killed himself. Of course, coming from Breitbart.com, take the story with a pillar of salt.
Nevertheless, there's been outcry over the University's choice by feminists, men and, of course, the dregs of the MRA movement [cynical asshole](who could have foreseen that?)[/cynical asshole]. So, yeah, it took negative hours before the poo flinging from both sides started.
Honestly it really hurts to see this issue, which should not be at all controversial, become bogged down in gender politics by people who just want to push their own agenda. The worst part is that, unlike with, say, firearms (another issue I'm [obviously] involved in), I can't even understand why. Other topics, when they become politicized, I at least can see why that is but this time I am completely baffled.
Simple: there are certain folks who think any attention paid to other issues undermines their own.
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i did not like that cartoon. it managed to hit the mra's and the feminists while not achieving anything.
The general impression I get is that the artist thinks men are better off than women and should not get any special recognition. Look at the wording, when men criticize feminists it's "mansplaining" and they are trying to be bigger victims than women (because the idea that they might just want to innocently point out that men suffer as well is not possible and it must be an evil scheme to undermine feminism.) There is the one mention that a lot more men die from suicides than women but it is immediately followed by several panels pointing out that men are still much better off than women and simply having a dick means that you will never suffer as much as women do. ...And it ends by saying that men should just let feminists defend them (because having a separate equality movement for men or a movement that seeks equality for everyone is not an option for some reason?)
There is no criticism of feminists (or radical feminists) who attack men's day but instead it attacks any man who would defend men's day...
Basically this, 100%. pretty shitty cartoon.
You all suck.
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i did not like that cartoon. it managed to hit the mra's and the feminists while not achieving anything.
The general impression I get is that the artist thinks men are better off than women and should not get any special recognition. Look at the wording, when men criticize feminists it's "mansplaining" and they are trying to be bigger victims than women (because the idea that they might just want to innocently point out that men suffer as well is not possible and it must be an evil scheme to undermine feminism.) There is the one mention that a lot more men die from suicides than women but it is immediately followed by several panels pointing out that men are still much better off than women and simply having a dick means that you will never suffer as much as women do. ...And it ends by saying that men should just let feminists defend them (because having a separate equality movement for men or a movement that seeks equality for everyone is not an option for some reason?)
There is no criticism of feminists (or radical feminists) who attack men's day but instead it attacks any man who would defend men's day...
Basically this, 100%. pretty shitty cartoon.
You all suck.
say that to my face not online see what happens bitch i'll 420 noscope you
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Isn't 420 pot? Mate I'll take double the amount of drugs than you and then go and ask a US policeman for directions.
And if its a gun, well gun's don't scare me because my penis is a weapon. (Actually to be honest gun's do scare me but we don't have fuckheads walking around with Assault Rifles over their shoulders over here).
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Frankly, "women are weaker than men so they shouldn't be treated like fully-blown humans" and "men are stronger than women so they shouldn't be treated as merely human" are the same belief. You can't eliminate one without eliminating the other.
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Amen.
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You all suck.
Yes, but we won't suck you because we have standards.
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You all suck.
Yes, but we won't suck you because we have standards.
It's alright your mum and your wife already did.
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Naughty squirrel. Viking era re-enactor gonna halberd you a new butthole!
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You all suck.
Yes, but we won't suck you because we have standards.
It's alright your mum and your wife already did.
absolute S A V A G E
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Beyond just the mental health aspect of IMD, one of the other things that needs to be brought up is the issue of fathers rights when it comes to parenting. I've seen a time or two here about how men should have the ability to walk away from a pregnancy in the same way that the mother can, and I am supportive of that notion, but of equal importance are those men who actually want to be parents when the mother doesn't. The way the majority of the laws are set up right now barely acknowledge the rights of fathers to be a part of their kids life and are heavily skewed toward preference for the mother.
Today I just read about a man, Bobby L. Nevares (http://www.sltrib.com/home/3197522-155/judge-tosses-battle-for-parental-rights), who got his girlfriend pregnant. They agreed to raise the baby together but two weeks after she gave birth, she put their daughter up for adoption without telling him. He's now going through a multi-jurisdictional hell to try and gain custody of his infant. The baby was conceived and born in Colorado, put up for adoption in Utah, and is now located in Illinois. His case is still ongoing.
Not too long ago I read the story of Christopher Emanuel (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/paternity-registry/396044/), a man who had a relationship with a woman from work and ended up fathering a child with her. However, the woman's family were horrified that their daughter "got knocked up by a nigger." Still, he wanted to be a part of the baby's life and busted his ass to show he'd be a good father. However, the mother lied to him and told him she was going to talk to her doctor about being induced on February 24th when she was due to give birth on February 15th. However, he got served with a notice of adoption on February 22nd and it was only then that he found out she gave birth on February 11th. And the only reason he was even told about the adoption was because his sisters found out about South Carolina's (unadvertised) "Responsible Father Registry" which an unmarried father has to sign up for if he wants any hope of having legal parental rights. However, his case has a happy ending (http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/Aiken-father-battles-for-fathers-rights-after-nearly-losing-daughter-329000041.html?ref=041), he was able to gain custody of his daughter and has now started the Sky is the Limit Foundation (http://www.skyisthelimitfoundation.org/) to help educate fathers of their rights.
Men should not have to move heaven and earth to prove they can be just as much of a parent as a woman. Men seeking custody of their kid often have to prove to the courts that they want the kid, that they are fit to raise the kid and can provide for the kid and even then it's no guarantee. It just doesn't seem right to me that a man who wants to be a father should have to go to those kinds of lengths to be a parent.