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Title: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 27, 2018, 08:33:50 pm
Since you guys are atheists, I will preach to you why Christianity is the true religion.

The first evidence is the historical evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. The majority of scholars agree that there was a historical man in Judea called Christ who was crucified under Pontius Pilate according to the historical writings of Josephus and Tacitus.

But Jesus Christ could not only be a mere man because by the time of Emperor Nero, there were Christians in Rome who believed that Jesus was the Christ which was the title for messiah. If Jesus was a man, then how come there was a new religion that genuinely believed he was the messiah. They were persecuted under the tyrannical Emperor Nero who used them as a scapegoat for the Great Fre of Rome in 67 AD. Christians refused to recant their faith upon threat of death. If Jesus was not the messiah, why would the Christians be willing to die for a lie?

Throughout the history of Christianity, there have been eyewitness accounts of visits by angels and the spirits of the Saints.

Evidence for the afterlife and heaven and hell comes from the numerous eyewitness testimonies, and documentations of ghosts in haunted places. Earthbound ghosts are often spirits that have such an attachment to the location that they won’t move on to heaven such as a location where they were murdered. Other ghosts such as the ghosts of unrepentant sinners are cursed to remain on Earth as a punishment of hell. This is often the case with murderers who often are forced to reinact their crimes. The spirits of those who committed suicide are often seen at the location of their suicide. This was shown in the story of A Christmas Carol where the ghost of Jacob Marley appeared to Scrooge from hell and warned him of his fate if he didn’t change his ways.

Many times ghosts return from the other realms if their graves are disturbed or if they are summoned using ouija boards and witchcraft. This happened in the Bible in 1 Samuel 28:15 when King Saul consulted a witch to summon the spirit of Samuel who gave Saul an omen that he would die the next day.

People have witnessed dark spirits showing that demons are indeed real. Demons have been caught on tape. There is also the phenomena of sleep paralysis where people wake up but they are unable to move, and they see a shadow or hag go on them and assaulting them. This is an interesting documentary of the phenomena. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QmbpOucNVn4

There have been documented cases of priests healing the sick, vanquishing evil spirits, and performing exorcisms. Using holy water and blessing haunted houses have often ridded the house of demons.

So please repent and join an Anglican Church. I am suggesting an Anglican Church because it has Apostolic sucession unlike the other Protestant Churches and because the Catholic Church is corrupt and full of pedophile priests. The chief punishment of hell, is not being in the presence of God in the paradise of heaven. If you don’t repent you will weep and gnash your teeth knowing that you are being punished for your sins. Perhaps you will see heaven and know what you missed out on. Perhaps I will be able to visit you in hell and mock you for missing your opportunity.

In hell, if you are so sexually promiscuous, you will lust for the ghosts of women but will be unable to have sex as you will not be granted new bodies in hell. You will be so horny that you will lack rest. That is what the 2nd Circle of Hell is a metaphor for in Dante’s Inferno.

So please repent of your sins. Join me in eternal paradise.

Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: davedan on May 27, 2018, 09:20:14 pm
Well you know that's got me convinced.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 27, 2018, 09:58:50 pm
Ugh

This is such uninspired, multiply-regurgitated bullshit it's not even fun to argue against
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Skybison on May 27, 2018, 10:18:19 pm
Since Jacob is a Christian I will preach why Islam is the true religion.

Most historians agree that Mohamed was a real person based on the writings of historians from the era.

But Mohamed could not have been a mere man because shortly after the Middle east was full of people who thought he was God's last prophet.  If Mohamed was a man, then how come there was a new religion that genuinely believed he was a prophet?  They were persecuted in Mecca but Muslims refused to recant their faith upon threat of death. If Mohamed was not a prophet, why would the Muslims be willing to die for a lie?

There are many people who have seen Jinn from Islamic/Arabian folklore.  And many people have had near death experiences of the Muslim afterlife. 

There have been documented cases of Imam's healing the sick, vanquishing evil spirits, and performing exorcisms using the Quran and Islamic symbols.

So please repent and join Islam  The chief punishment of hell, is not being in the presence of Allah in the paradise of heaven. If you don’t repent you will weep and gnash your teeth knowing that you are being punished for your sins. Perhaps you will see heaven and know what you missed out on. Perhaps I will be able to visit you in hell and mock you for missing your opportunity.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 27, 2018, 11:00:42 pm
Jacob, it's presumptuous of you to state that "you guys" are atheists. I am but it's not an explicitly atheist forum.

That said, congrats on using this section for it's intended purpose and not your masturbatory peccadillos or batshit political theories. Progress, I guess.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Askold on May 28, 2018, 01:30:04 am
Ok Jacob, I'm just going to say this as a fellow Christian to you: You are making us look like dicks (and lunatics) and this is counter-productive to trying to convert people into Christianity.

I'm generally against preaching to people because I see it mainly as annoying others and your style in particular is not going to work here at all.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 28, 2018, 03:10:27 pm
Since Jacob is a Christian I will preach why Islam is the true religion.

Most historians agree that Mohamed was a real person based on the writings of historians from the era.

But Mohamed could not have been a mere man because shortly after the Middle east was full of people who thought he was God's last prophet.  If Mohamed was a man, then how come there was a new religion that genuinely believed he was a prophet?  They were persecuted in Mecca but Muslims refused to recant their faith upon threat of death. If Mohamed was not a prophet, why would the Muslims be willing to die for a lie?

There are many people who have seen Jinn from Islamic/Arabian folklore.  And many people have had near death experiences of the Muslim afterlife. 

There have been documented cases of Imam's healing the sick, vanquishing evil spirits, and performing exorcisms using the Quran and Islamic symbols.

So please repent and join Islam  The chief punishment of hell, is not being in the presence of Allah in the paradise of heaven. If you don’t repent you will weep and gnash your teeth knowing that you are being punished for your sins. Perhaps you will see heaven and know what you missed out on. Perhaps I will be able to visit you in hell and mock you for missing your opportunity.

You did a great job at substituting the words as an attempt to claim that the evidence that Islam is the true religion is as equally valid. You are a worthy foe. However I will explain the difference between the spread of Christianity and the spread of Islam to explain why the spread of Christianity is more genuine.

According to Islam, Muhammad received a vision from the Angel Gabriel in a cave(I know that it was a demon impersonating the Angel Gabriel). He was the only eyewitness to the event. When spreading his beliefs, he referred to God as Allah. He combined the one true God with an Arabian Pagan diety. He used deception, and bribery to get people to join him and then waged violent conquest against his enemies in Mecca massacring Jews and Pagans and having forced conversions. Islam spread by the sword(I encourage you to read to Quran and Hadith to learn how violent the religion of Islam is and how Muhammad was a genocidal sex trafficking mass murdering pedophile. You will then be more concerned about the religion your Muslim friends practice.)

Jesus Christ on the other hand was a peaceful man who defied the Pharisees but commanded his followers to give unto Ceasar and obey those in authority(hence the concept of the divine right of Kings). In fact, Roman governor Pontius Pilate only had Jesus crucified because he was coerced into doing it by an angry mob. People believed in Jesus because they witnessed him performing miracles such as raising Lazarus from the dead, feeding the 5000, walking on water, and healing the sick and the blind. If Jesus did not spread his religion by the sword or use bribery, then how come the religion of Christianity spread so quickly. How were there people who genuinely believed that he was the messiah and were willing to be martyred for him?
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 28, 2018, 03:13:59 pm
Ok Jacob, I'm just going to say this as a fellow Christian to you: You are making us look like dicks (and lunatics) and this is counter-productive to trying to convert people into Christianity.

I'm generally against preaching to people because I see it mainly as annoying others and your style in particular is not going to work here at all.

What denomination of Christianity are you? The New Testament commands us to preach and make believers. I was pointing out the evidence that proves that Christianity is the one true religion. And also do you not have worries about the souls of your atheist friends? Do you not worry that they are going to hell?
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: davedan on May 28, 2018, 06:50:16 pm
The evidence is that Christianity didn't spread more quickly than most religions. Mormonism for instance spread much more quickly than Christianity.

And if simply dying for the belief makes it true, I guess all those people at Jonestown were right.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 28, 2018, 09:16:58 pm
The evidence is that Christianity didn't spread more quickly than most religions. Mormonism for instance spread much more quickly than Christianity.

And if simply dying for the belief makes it true, I guess all those people at Jonestown were right.

Well the false religion of Mormonism spread because the cult leader Joseph Smith spread the belief that he received a revelation from God. But the difference between the spread of Mormonism and the spread of Christianity is that Christianity got a much higher quantity of believers in a short period of time. Mormons today are mostly in Utah.

How did Christianity gain so many believers in a short period of time, if Jesus was just a mere man. If he was a mere man and did not perform miracles and risen from the dead, how were there Christians in Rome by 67 AD that believed he was the messiah? That is about 37 years after his death in 30 AD(it would have to be 30 AD because died at around age 33 1/2 and he was born when King Herod who died in 4 BC was still alive.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 29, 2018, 05:17:41 am
"Mere men" can't get followers and start movements?

Clearly you've never heard of politics, cults, fads or rock and roll!
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 06:33:57 am
"Mere men" can't get followers and start movements?

Clearly you've never heard of politics, cults, fads or rock and roll!

Mere man can’t get tons of people within a short period of time to convert to a religion that believes that actually believe that they are the messiah and son of God.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 29, 2018, 07:16:53 am
Well, Islam moved faster. In twenty years after Mo's death they had an empire stretching from Egypt to Iran.

Does that mean they get more holy points?
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 08:33:39 am
Well, Islam moved faster. In twenty years after Mo's death they had an empire stretching from Egypt to Iran.

Does that mean they get more holy points?

I already addressed Islam and why it has far less holy points  in an earlier comment here.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 29, 2018, 10:18:31 am
Yeah, that was just the usual "Jesus was a peaceful bro but Mo was a bad dude" bollocks, Jesus said ""Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword." So they were both a little sword happy, Mo just got more swords on his shit.

As for all that crap about Allah being a moon deity, Yahweh had a wife called Asherah so wasn't any more monotheistic or less pagan than Allah. Anyway I'm saying this to a Catholic, you guys have more weird little gods than the Hindus. You just call them saints.

I'm an atheist. I don't care what imaginary flim flam you bring to the table, it's all the same to me!
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 10:43:46 am
Yeah, that was just the usual "Jesus was a peaceful bro but Mo was a bad dude" bollocks, Jesus said ""Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword." So they were both a little sword happy, Mo just got more swords on his shit.

As for all that crap about Allah being a moon deity, Yahweh had a wife called Asherah so wasn't any more monotheistic or less pagan than Allah. Anyway I'm saying this to a Catholic, you guys have more weird little gods than the Hindus. You just call them saints.

I'm an atheist. I don't care what imaginary flim flam you bring to the table, it's all the same to me!

The difference is that Jesus was saying that there would be Christians would be persecuted so Christians would have to fight in self defense. Islam preaches offensive warfare which they call jihad. The Apostles were not violent, they travelled throughout the Empire preaching their faith. So since Christianity spread peacefully, how did Christianity gain so many followers in such a short period of time.

And where did you get the bullshit that Yahweh had a wife?
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 29, 2018, 05:19:14 pm
Mere man can’t get tons of people within a short period of time to convert to a religion that believes that actually believe that they are the messiah and son of God.

Right. Except for Henry James Prince (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agapemonites), Krishna Venta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna_Venta), Ahn Sahng-hong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Sahng-hong), Jim Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones), Yahweh ben Yahweh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahweh), Wayne Bent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Our_Righteousness_Church), Tony Quinn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Quinn_(businessman)), Shoko Asahara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara), Marina Tsvigun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Tsvigun), Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion), Alan John Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Truth)...

I could go on, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 05:30:51 pm
Mere man can’t get tons of people within a short period of time to convert to a religion that believes that actually believe that they are the messiah and son of God.

Right. Except for Henry James Prince (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agapemonites), Krishna Venta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna_Venta), Ahn Sahng-hong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Sahng-hong), Jim Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones), Yahweh ben Yahweh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahweh), Wayne Bent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Our_Righteousness_Church), Tony Quinn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Quinn_(businessman)), Shoko Asahara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara), Marina Tsvigun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Tsvigun), Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion), Alan John Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Truth)...

I could go on, but you get the idea.

They didn’t get nearly as many converts as Christianity did in such a short period of time.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 29, 2018, 05:33:16 pm
Yeah, that was just the usual "Jesus was a peaceful bro but Mo was a bad dude" bollocks, Jesus said ""Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword." So they were both a little sword happy, Mo just got more swords on his shit.

As for all that crap about Allah being a moon deity, Yahweh had a wife called Asherah so wasn't any more monotheistic or less pagan than Allah. Anyway I'm saying this to a Catholic, you guys have more weird little gods than the Hindus. You just call them saints.

I'm an atheist. I don't care what imaginary flim flam you bring to the table, it's all the same to me!

The difference is that Jesus was saying that there would be Christians would be persecuted so Christians would have to fight in self defense. Islam preaches offensive warfare which they call jihad. The Apostles were not violent, they travelled throughout the Empire preaching their faith. So since Christianity spread peacefully, how did Christianity gain so many followers in such a short period of time.

And where did you get the bullshit that Yahweh had a wife?
Jihad, Crusade tomato tomato and Yahweh was just another iron-age mountain dwelling godlet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#Iron_Age_I_(1200%E2%80%93930_BCE):_El,_Yahweh,_and_the_origins_of_Israel) who of course had a wife because he was based on human kings, same as Zues and Odin. Tomato, tomato.

They didn’t get nearly as many converts as Christianity did in such a short period of time.
Islam did! Too bad, so sad.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 05:47:11 pm
Yeah, that was just the usual "Jesus was a peaceful bro but Mo was a bad dude" bollocks, Jesus said ""Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword." So they were both a little sword happy, Mo just got more swords on his shit.

As for all that crap about Allah being a moon deity, Yahweh had a wife called Asherah so wasn't any more monotheistic or less pagan than Allah. Anyway I'm saying this to a Catholic, you guys have more weird little gods than the Hindus. You just call them saints.

I'm an atheist. I don't care what imaginary flim flam you bring to the table, it's all the same to me!

The difference is that Jesus was saying that there would be Christians would be persecuted so Christians would have to fight in self defense. Islam preaches offensive warfare which they call jihad. The Apostles were not violent, they travelled throughout the Empire preaching their faith. So since Christianity spread peacefully, how did Christianity gain so many followers in such a short period of time.

And where did you get the bullshit that Yahweh had a wife?
Jihad, Crusade tomato tomato and Yahweh was just another iron-age mountain dwelling godlet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#Iron_Age_I_(1200%E2%80%93930_BCE):_El,_Yahweh,_and_the_origins_of_Israel) who of course had a wife because he was based on human kings, same as Zues and Odin. Tomato, tomato.

They didn’t get nearly as many converts as Christianity did in such a short period of time.
Islam did! Too bad, so sad.

1. It says that Aserah was the wife of the Canaanite god El not Yahweh.

“El, "the kind, the compassionate," "the creator of creatures," was the chief of the Canaanite gods,[31] and he, not Yahweh, was the original "God of Israel"—the word "Israel" is based on the name El rather than Yahweh.[32] He lived in a tent on a mountain from whose base originated all the fresh waters of the world, with the goddess Asherah as his consort.”

As the prophet Jacob lived in Canaan, it is likely that his later name Israel(who the Israelites were descended from) would have a name similar to the name El.

2. As I said, Islam gained converts through jihad, massacres, and forced conversions. How could Christianity gain so many followers if it did not spread by the sword like Islam did?
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 29, 2018, 06:12:49 pm
Mere man can’t get tons of people within a short period of time to convert to a religion that believes that actually believe that they are the messiah and son of God.

Right. Except for Henry James Prince (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agapemonites), Krishna Venta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna_Venta), Ahn Sahng-hong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Sahng-hong), Jim Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones), Yahweh ben Yahweh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahweh), Wayne Bent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Our_Righteousness_Church), Tony Quinn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Quinn_(businessman)), Shoko Asahara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara), Marina Tsvigun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Tsvigun), Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion), Alan John Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Truth)...

I could go on, but you get the idea.

They didn’t get nearly as many converts as Christianity did in such a short period of time.

Oh, do tell. What was the growth rate of Christianity during its early years? How long did it take to reach a thousand, ten thousand, a million converts?

Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 06:36:33 pm
Mere man can’t get tons of people within a short period of time to convert to a religion that believes that actually believe that they are the messiah and son of God.

Right. Except for Henry James Prince (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agapemonites), Krishna Venta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna_Venta), Ahn Sahng-hong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Sahng-hong), Jim Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones), Yahweh ben Yahweh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahweh), Wayne Bent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Our_Righteousness_Church), Tony Quinn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Quinn_(businessman)), Shoko Asahara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara), Marina Tsvigun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Tsvigun), Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion), Alan John Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Truth)...

I could go on, but you get the idea.

They didn’t get nearly as many converts as Christianity did in such a short period of time.

Oh, do tell. What was the growth rate of Christianity during its early years? How long did it take to reach a thousand, ten thousand, a million converts?

Well by 67 AD(37 years after Jesus’s crucifixion) there were Christians in Rome who were persecuted under the tyrant Nero. So in 37 years, a religion from Judea was already spreading throughout the Roman Empire.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: davedan on May 29, 2018, 06:40:13 pm
The evidence is that Christianity didn't spread more quickly than most religions. Mormonism for instance spread much more quickly than Christianity.

And if simply dying for the belief makes it true, I guess all those people at Jonestown were right.

Well the false religion of Mormonism spread because the cult leader Joseph Smith spread the belief that he received a revelation from God. But the difference between the spread of Mormonism and the spread of Christianity is that Christianity got a much higher quantity of believers in a short period of time. Mormons today are mostly in Utah.

How did Christianity gain so many believers in a short period of time, if Jesus was just a mere man. If he was a mere man and did not perform miracles and risen from the dead, how were there Christians in Rome by 67 AD that believed he was the messiah? That is about 37 years after his death in 30 AD(it would have to be 30 AD because died at around age 33 1/2 and he was born when King Herod who died in 4 BC was still alive.

Except that's not true, Mormonism got more believers in a shorter period of time http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=95 (http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=95)
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 29, 2018, 06:50:59 pm
Mere man can’t get tons of people within a short period of time to convert to a religion that believes that actually believe that they are the messiah and son of God.

Right. Except for Henry James Prince (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agapemonites), Krishna Venta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna_Venta), Ahn Sahng-hong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Sahng-hong), Jim Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones), Yahweh ben Yahweh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahweh), Wayne Bent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Our_Righteousness_Church), Tony Quinn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Quinn_(businessman)), Shoko Asahara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara), Marina Tsvigun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Tsvigun), Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion), Alan John Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Truth)...

I could go on, but you get the idea.

They didn’t get nearly as many converts as Christianity did in such a short period of time.

Oh, do tell. What was the growth rate of Christianity during its early years? How long did it take to reach a thousand, ten thousand, a million converts?

Well by 67 AD(37 years after Jesus’s crucifixion) there were Christians in Rome who were persecuted under the tyrant Nero. So in 37 years, a religion from Judea was already spreading throughout the Roman Empire.

I note a distinct lack of numbers! Almost as if you have actually no idea how fast Christianity grew.

By the way, in 36 years the World Mission Society Church of God had 400,000 members and churches in Asia, Europe, and North America, at least.

Do you believe  Ahn Sahng-hong is actually the Messiah? No? Then how could a mere man convince so many people so quickly?

Turns out convincing lots of people you're God or the Messiah or a prophet or whatever else is not that special. People have been doing it since forever, with varying success.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 07:31:41 pm
The evidence is that Christianity didn't spread more quickly than most religions. Mormonism for instance spread much more quickly than Christianity.

And if simply dying for the belief makes it true, I guess all those people at Jonestown were right.

Well the false religion of Mormonism spread because the cult leader Joseph Smith spread the belief that he received a revelation from God. But the difference between the spread of Mormonism and the spread of Christianity is that Christianity got a much higher quantity of believers in a short period of time. Mormons today are mostly in Utah.

How did Christianity gain so many believers in a short period of time, if Jesus was just a mere man. If he was a mere man and did not perform miracles and risen from the dead, how were there Christians in Rome by 67 AD that believed he was the messiah? That is about 37 years after his death in 30 AD(it would have to be 30 AD because died at around age 33 1/2 and he was born when King Herod who died in 4 BC was still alive.

Except that's not true, Mormonism got more believers in a shorter period of time http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=95 (http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=95)

That article fails to address that throughout several periods of early Christian history, Christians were persecuted by the Romans which hindered it’s growth. And the chart says that there were only 1,960 Christians by 60 AD. If that was the case, then how were there so many Christians in Rome in 67 AD as the Roman Empire was so vast? That implies that Christianity grew a lot faster then the chart says it did in it’s early years
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 07:35:05 pm
Mere man can’t get tons of people within a short period of time to convert to a religion that believes that actually believe that they are the messiah and son of God.

Right. Except for Henry James Prince (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agapemonites), Krishna Venta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna_Venta), Ahn Sahng-hong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Sahng-hong), Jim Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones), Yahweh ben Yahweh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahweh), Wayne Bent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Our_Righteousness_Church), Tony Quinn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Quinn_(businessman)), Shoko Asahara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara), Marina Tsvigun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Tsvigun), Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vissarion), Alan John Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Truth)...

I could go on, but you get the idea.

They didn’t get nearly as many converts as Christianity did in such a short period of time.

Oh, do tell. What was the growth rate of Christianity during its early years? How long did it take to reach a thousand, ten thousand, a million converts?

Well by 67 AD(37 years after Jesus’s crucifixion) there were Christians in Rome who were persecuted under the tyrant Nero. So in 37 years, a religion from Judea was already spreading throughout the Roman Empire.

I note a distinct lack of numbers! Almost as if you have actually no idea how fast Christianity grew.

By the way, in 36 years the World Mission Society Church of God had 400,000 members and churches in Asia, Europe, and North America, at least.

Do you believe  Ahn Sahng-hong is actually the Messiah? No? Then how could a mere man convince so many people so quickly?

Turns out convincing lots of people you're God or the Messiah or a prophet or whatever else is not that special. People have been doing it since forever, with varying success.

Failing to acknowledge that information spreads more quickly in modern times than during the Roman Empire. So it is much easier to get converts to a new religion today.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 29, 2018, 08:15:07 pm
Random side note, the translation of jihad from Arabic into English is not "holy war". It is "struggle", and non-crazy Muslims (i.e. the vast majority) interpret that struggle as a personal struggle against sin, not a holy war against infidels. The more you know.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 29, 2018, 08:43:54 pm
Yeah and if you look up Asherah you'll see she was queen consort of Yahweh, wife in other words. The same article you find so problematic also says Yahweh inherited all of Els traits because, wait for it, they're both characters in made up narratives. It's a bit like how Superman took on traits as the series gree or DC and Marvel keep poaching ideas fron each other for their characters.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 29, 2018, 09:31:06 pm
Failing to acknowledge that information spreads more quickly in modern times than during the Roman Empire. So it is much easier to get converts to a new religion today.

And I'm sure you have a precise model of how much faster religions grow nowadays compared to the first century CE and have used this to show that accounting for this advantage all the cults I mentioned before grow slower than Christianity would have with mass media

No, of course not. You don't know how fast Christianity grew. You do not get to declare that evidence of divine intervention if you do not actually check how mundane, non-divinely assisted religions grow. It's perfectly humanly possible to convince a bunch of people of some absolute nonsense.

The rest of your argument is just picking a reference class of one.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 09:46:35 pm
Yeah and if you look up Asherah you'll see she was queen consort of Yahweh, wife in other words. The same article you find so problematic also says Yahweh inherited all of Els traits because, wait for it, they're both characters in made up narratives. It's a bit like how Superman took on traits as the series gree or DC and Marvel keep poaching ideas fron each other for their characters.

Well when the Isrealites were sinning against God, before they were punished with exile, they were worshipping idols, so that would include adding false gods and goddesses from the Canaanite gods and goddesses to their religion making it polytheistic.

And no it does not say that Yahweh was based on the Canaanite El, it says that El was the Canaanite god at the time when “Israel emerges into the historical record in the last decades of the 13th century BCE, at the very end of the Late Bronze Age when the Canaanite city-state system was ending” meaning that when the Israelites defeated and killed the wicked Canaanites and established the nation of Israel. El was an ancient term for God, so the Israelites worshiped the true El, Yahweh.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 29, 2018, 09:48:46 pm
Failing to acknowledge that information spreads more quickly in modern times than during the Roman Empire. So it is much easier to get converts to a new religion today.

And I'm sure you have a precise model of how much faster religions grow nowadays compared to the first century CE and have used this to show that accounting for this advantage all the cults I mentioned before grow slower than Christianity would have with mass media

No, of course not. You don't know how fast Christianity grew. You do not get to declare that evidence of divine intervention if you do not actually check how mundane, non-divinely assisted religions grow. It's perfectly humanly possible to convince a bunch of people of some absolute nonsense.

The rest of your argument is just picking a reference class of one.

Well in a previous comment here, I pointed out that Christianity spread in it’s early years far faster than an atheist site claimed it did.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 29, 2018, 10:41:06 pm
Yeah and if you look up Asherah you'll see she was queen consort of Yahweh, wife in other words. The same article you find so problematic also says Yahweh inherited all of Els traits because, wait for it, they're both characters in made up narratives. It's a bit like how Superman took on traits as the series gree or DC and Marvel keep poaching ideas fron each other for their characters.

Well when the Isrealites were sinning against God, before they were punished with exile, they were worshipping idols, so that would include adding false gods and goddesses from the Canaanite gods and goddesses to their religion making it polytheistic.

And no it does not say that Yahweh was based on the Canaanite El, it says that El was the Canaanite god at the time when “Israel emerges into the historical record in the last decades of the 13th century BCE, at the very end of the Late Bronze Age when the Canaanite city-state system was ending” meaning that when the Israelites defeated and killed the wicked Canaanites and established the nation of Israel. El was an ancient term for God, so the Israelites worshiped the true El, Yahweh.
The true and constantly evolving Yahweh we've got now that's left us with weird holdovers from other religions like "Elohim." Whatever, Marvel, DC, 2000 AD. They all steal each other's shit!
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Askold on May 30, 2018, 02:15:57 am
So you are simultaneously claiming that Christianity spread really fast and that this is proof of it being the one true religion, but also claiming that Islam spreading faster does not make it the one true religion?

Christianity being hampered by the Romans is not evidence on your side, if Christianity is the one true religion AND the spread of it was helped by God then why wouldn't God prevent Romans from slowing down Christianity? Either you have to renounce Jesus and admit that Mohammed was the true prophet of Allah or you have to admit that your claim of "fastest spreading religion" making your religion more realer than other religions is not relevant to a religion being true.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 30, 2018, 08:08:46 am
So you are simultaneously claiming that Christianity spread really fast and that this is proof of it being the one true religion, but also claiming that Islam spreading faster does not make it the one true religion?

Christianity being hampered by the Romans is not evidence on your side, if Christianity is the one true religion AND the spread of it was helped by God then why wouldn't God prevent Romans from slowing down Christianity? Either you have to renounce Jesus and admit that Mohammed was the true prophet of Allah or you have to admit that your claim of "fastest spreading religion" making your religion more realer than other religions is not relevant to a religion being true.

1. Because Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.

2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 30, 2018, 09:00:19 am
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 30, 2018, 09:20:18 am
Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.
How do you reckon Christianity spread through European colonies? Look up the career of fellow Catholic lad Christopher Columbus, now there was a fella who could get his warfare, genocide and forced conversions on-throw in some mass rape with the bargain!

This violent streak goes back to some of the earliest days of Christianity, witness their violent repression of the Manichean and Gnostic sects and thuggish behavior at the library of Alexandria where Hypatia got killed for being smarter than them. You say Jihad, I raise Crusade. Lets not forget how the invading knights spread Christianity there. Real peaceful that lot.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 30, 2018, 10:10:27 am
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?

Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 30, 2018, 11:02:49 am
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?
Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
The fact that God doesn't just win the entire "struggle" with a snap of his fingers (if that) kind of goes to show that he's either not all powerful or not actually as opposed to "evil" as you'd have us believe.

Though it's all make-believe bullshit. Nonetheless, the real question remains as to how grown ass adults can actually believe a bunch of baseless, self contradicting bronze age myths and folklore as being literally true in the first place? It's just so fucking stupid that it boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 30, 2018, 11:12:20 am
Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.
How do you reckon Christianity spread through European colonies? Look up the career of fellow Catholic lad Christopher Columbus, now there was a fella who could get his warfare, genocide and forced conversions on-throw in some mass rape with the bargain!

This violent streak goes back to some of the earliest days of Christianity, witness their violent repression of the Manichean and Gnostic sects and thuggish behavior at the library of Alexandria where Hypatia got killed for being smarter than them. You say Jihad, I raise Crusade. Lets not forget how the invading knights spread Christianity there. Real peaceful that lot.

For the first 300 years Christianity spread peacefully and Christians were often the victims of persecutions. Any violence commited was done in self defense. Again, I was saying that in 67 AD, 37 years after the death of Christ, there were already many Christians in Rome so it spread at an extremely fast rate for a religion that spread peacefully.

The repression of the Manichaean and Gnostic heretics happened after Theodosius I though legal legitimate means became the Roman Empire and declared Nicene Christianity(true Christianity) the official religion of the Roman Empire. Their repression was done for the greater good of the Empire because it helped the Empire maintain unity under one religion. Besides, the Gnostics were a fucked up cult that believed in rejecting the material world.

According to wikipedia, Hypatia was not killed for being smart, she was killed because she was an advisor to Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria and rumors were spreading that she was preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril the Bishop of Alexandria who Orestes was in a feud with. It was a political conflict. In fact the article also says this about her showing that Christians later respected her.

“During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria.”

As for the spread of Christianity throughout the colonies, the natives who had uncivilized primitive cultures were forced to convert to Christianity, but that was done for the greater good of bringing civilization to them. It was mostly not genocidal, because the majority of Latino’s have both Hispanic and native ancestry. Yes many died of small pox, but that is not genocide because genocide is intentionally trying to kill a group while people did not know about the science of small pox back then. And the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs was totally justified because the Aztecs performed human sacrifice.

I don’t think that Columbus was personally responsible for the atrocities commited by some Spanish. I hate how cultural marxists are trying to rename Columbus Day, “indigenous people’s day.” Nevertheless, the English colonists, and later the Americans never commited the excesses that those from other European countries commited.

As for the Crusades, that was done in retaliation for the Muslim conquests of Christian lands, atrocities, and persecution committed against the Christians. Yeah there were excesses but then there was also the brave valiant hero Richard the Lionheart. The English were never responsible for the worst of the Roman Catholic Church’s atrocities.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 30, 2018, 11:14:31 am
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?
Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
The fact that God doesn't just win the entire "struggle" with a snap of his fingers (if that) kind of goes to show that he's either not all powerful or not actually as opposed to "evil" as you'd have us believe.

Though it's all make-believe bullshit. Nonetheless, the real question remains as to how grown ass adults can actually believe a bunch of baseless, self contradicting bronze age myths and folklore as being literally true in the first place? It's just so fucking stupid that it boggles the mind.

Omnipotent means having the unlimited power to do all things that are possible. So even being all powerful has it’s limits because an all powerful being can’t do what’s impossible.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 30, 2018, 11:27:18 am
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?
Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
The fact that God doesn't just win the entire "struggle" with a snap of his fingers (if that) kind of goes to show that he's either not all powerful or not actually as opposed to "evil" as you'd have us believe.

Though it's all make-believe bullshit. Nonetheless, the real question remains as to how grown ass adults can actually believe a bunch of baseless, self contradicting bronze age myths and folklore as being literally true in the first place? It's just so fucking stupid that it boggles the mind.

Omnipotent means having the unlimited power to do all things that are possible. So even being all powerful has it’s limits because an all powerful being can’t do what’s impossible.

No, it means being able to do anything, at least in the context of the Christian sky fairy. See (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/omnipotent)?

Not that that answers the real question here.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: dpareja on May 30, 2018, 12:33:27 pm
God doesn't kill Satan because if he did, there'd be no story.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 30, 2018, 12:42:26 pm
2. The spread of Christianity was helped by God, while the slowing down of Christianity was caused by Satan. It is part of the long term cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
Totally something an all-knowing, all-powerful being would be involved in, right?
Well he gave his angels free will and Satan with his free will, invented evil. A third of the Angels sided with him starting the cosmic struggle between God and Satan.
The fact that God doesn't just win the entire "struggle" with a snap of his fingers (if that) kind of goes to show that he's either not all powerful or not actually as opposed to "evil" as you'd have us believe.

Though it's all make-believe bullshit. Nonetheless, the real question remains as to how grown ass adults can actually believe a bunch of baseless, self contradicting bronze age myths and folklore as being literally true in the first place? It's just so fucking stupid that it boggles the mind.

Omnipotent means having the unlimited power to do all things that are possible. So even being all powerful has it’s limits because an all powerful being can’t do what’s impossible.

No, it means being able to do anything, at least in the context of the Christian sky fairy. See (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/omnipotent)?

Not that that answers the real question here.

The definition of omnipotent in relation to God is this.

“almighty or infinite in power, as God.”

An infinite amount of all the power of existence, does not mean having an infinite amount of power that cannot exist. As for the answer to your other question, it is because they have supernatural experiences, such as visits from the ghosts of their dead relatives or angels, or the fact that God answers their prayers. I have a Catholic maternal grandmother who has ALS(the same physical disability that Stephen Hawking had), who will probably die in a few years or less, and through the grace of God, she is still able to be happy and joyful even though she is in a nursing home and requires a lot of nurses to take care of her. The other people in the nursing home are a lot more cranky and miserable. Seems like elderly Christians seem happier than elderly non believers.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 30, 2018, 05:31:36 pm
Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.
How do you reckon Christianity spread through European colonies? Look up the career of fellow Catholic lad Christopher Columbus, now there was a fella who could get his warfare, genocide and forced conversions on-throw in some mass rape with the bargain!

This violent streak goes back to some of the earliest days of Christianity, witness their violent repression of the Manichean and Gnostic sects and thuggish behavior at the library of Alexandria where Hypatia got killed for being smarter than them. You say Jihad, I raise Crusade. Lets not forget how the invading knights spread Christianity there. Real peaceful that lot.

For the first 300 years Christianity spread peacefully and Christians were often the victims of persecutions. Any violence commited was done in self defense. Again, I was saying that in 67 AD, 37 years after the death of Christ, there were already many Christians in Rome so it spread at an extremely fast rate for a religion that spread peacefully.

The repression of the Manichaean and Gnostic heretics happened after Theodosius I though legal legitimate means became the Roman Empire and declared Nicene Christianity(true Christianity) the official religion of the Roman Empire. Their repression was done for the greater good of the Empire because it helped the Empire maintain unity under one religion. Besides, the Gnostics were a fucked up cult that believed in rejecting the material world.

According to wikipedia, Hypatia was not killed for being smart, she was killed because she was an advisor to Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria and rumors were spreading that she was preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril the Bishop of Alexandria who Orestes was in a feud with. It was a political conflict. In fact the article also says this about her showing that Christians later respected her.

“During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria.”

As for the spread of Christianity throughout the colonies, the natives who had uncivilized primitive cultures were forced to convert to Christianity, but that was done for the greater good of bringing civilization to them. It was mostly not genocidal, because the majority of Latino’s have both Hispanic and native ancestry. Yes many died of small pox, but that is not genocide because genocide is intentionally trying to kill a group while people did not know about the science of small pox back then. And the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs was totally justified because the Aztecs performed human sacrifice.

I don’t think that Columbus was personally responsible for the atrocities commited by some Spanish. I hate how cultural marxists are trying to rename Columbus Day, “indigenous people’s day.” Nevertheless, the English colonists, and later the Americans never commited the excesses that those from other European countries commited.

As for the Crusades, that was done in retaliation for the Muslim conquests of Christian lands, atrocities, and persecution committed against the Christians. Yeah there were excesses but then there was also the brave valiant hero Richard the Lionheart. The English were never responsible for the worst of the Roman Catholic Church’s atrocities.
Special pleading bullshit, "our repression was for the greater good, our war crimes were retaliatory" and I'll let Columbus speak for himself.

Quote
: “They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things ... They willingly traded everything they owned ... They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features .... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane. ... They would make fine servants. ... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”

Hey the natives are peaceful and generous, what's the Christian thing to do? Let's subjugate the fuck out of them!

As for infinite power, there's a word for that, braggardio, "my god is bigger than your god, well my god is bigger than anything." Literally kids having a pissing contest except the piss is hypothetical and imaginary. You might as well be arguing about whether the Enterprise would beat a Star Destroyer.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 30, 2018, 05:53:03 pm
Christianity spread peacefully while Islam spread thorugh warfare, genocide, and forced conversions.
How do you reckon Christianity spread through European colonies? Look up the career of fellow Catholic lad Christopher Columbus, now there was a fella who could get his warfare, genocide and forced conversions on-throw in some mass rape with the bargain!

This violent streak goes back to some of the earliest days of Christianity, witness their violent repression of the Manichean and Gnostic sects and thuggish behavior at the library of Alexandria where Hypatia got killed for being smarter than them. You say Jihad, I raise Crusade. Lets not forget how the invading knights spread Christianity there. Real peaceful that lot.

For the first 300 years Christianity spread peacefully and Christians were often the victims of persecutions. Any violence commited was done in self defense. Again, I was saying that in 67 AD, 37 years after the death of Christ, there were already many Christians in Rome so it spread at an extremely fast rate for a religion that spread peacefully.

The repression of the Manichaean and Gnostic heretics happened after Theodosius I though legal legitimate means became the Roman Empire and declared Nicene Christianity(true Christianity) the official religion of the Roman Empire. Their repression was done for the greater good of the Empire because it helped the Empire maintain unity under one religion. Besides, the Gnostics were a fucked up cult that believed in rejecting the material world.

According to wikipedia, Hypatia was not killed for being smart, she was killed because she was an advisor to Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria and rumors were spreading that she was preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril the Bishop of Alexandria who Orestes was in a feud with. It was a political conflict. In fact the article also says this about her showing that Christians later respected her.

“During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria.”

As for the spread of Christianity throughout the colonies, the natives who had uncivilized primitive cultures were forced to convert to Christianity, but that was done for the greater good of bringing civilization to them. It was mostly not genocidal, because the majority of Latino’s have both Hispanic and native ancestry. Yes many died of small pox, but that is not genocide because genocide is intentionally trying to kill a group while people did not know about the science of small pox back then. And the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs was totally justified because the Aztecs performed human sacrifice.

I don’t think that Columbus was personally responsible for the atrocities commited by some Spanish. I hate how cultural marxists are trying to rename Columbus Day, “indigenous people’s day.” Nevertheless, the English colonists, and later the Americans never commited the excesses that those from other European countries commited.

As for the Crusades, that was done in retaliation for the Muslim conquests of Christian lands, atrocities, and persecution committed against the Christians. Yeah there were excesses but then there was also the brave valiant hero Richard the Lionheart. The English were never responsible for the worst of the Roman Catholic Church’s atrocities.
Special pleading bullshit, "our repression was for the greater good, our war crimes were retaliatory" and I'll let Columbus speak for himself.

Quote
: “They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things ... They willingly traded everything they owned ... They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features .... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane. ... They would make fine servants. ... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”

Hey the natives are peaceful and generous, what's the Christian thing to do? Let's subjugate the fuck out of them!

As for infinite power, there's a word for that, braggardio, "my god is bigger than your god, well my god is bigger than anything." Literally kids having a pissing contest except the piss is hypothetical and imaginary. You might as well be arguing about whether the Enterprise would beat a Star Destroyer.

I am not denying that Columbus subjugated them, but why do you have a problem with conquering primitive cultures to bring civilization to them?

And the repression of the heretical sects was for the greater good because it kept unity in the Empire. I admit that the First crusaders went excessive but the later crusaders such as Richard the Lionheart  were heroes fighting to protect the Christians in the Middle East. The English were never responsible for the worst of the crusader’s excesses.

And your still in denial of Yahweh and Jesus Christ after all the evidence I provided? If you have any logical questions about Yahweh, Jesus, the trinity, and Christianity, I will be glad to provide you answers based on my knowledge. I already addressed the case of Yahweh’s wife, that was promoted during the part of Israel’s history when the Israelites were turning against God and worshipping false gods.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 30, 2018, 06:06:48 pm

For the first 300 years Christianity spread peacefully and Christians were often the victims of persecutions. Any violence commited was done in self defense. Again, I was saying that in 67 AD, 37 years after the death of Christ, there were already many Christians in Rome so it spread at an extremely fast rate for a religion that spread peacefully.
Smith and Mo were quicker, NEXT!

The repression of the Manichaean and Gnostic heretics happened after Theodosius I though legal legitimate means became the Roman Empire and declared Nicene Christianity(true Christianity) the official religion of the Roman Empire. Their repression was done for the greater good of the Empire because it helped the Empire maintain unity under one religion. Besides, the Gnostics were a fucked up cult that believed in rejecting the material world.
Special pleading bullshit coming from a fucked up cultist who rejects his perfectly normal sex drive, NEXT.

According to wikipedia, Hypatia was not killed for being smart, she was killed because she was an advisor to Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria and rumors were spreading that she was preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril the Bishop of Alexandria who Orestes was in a feud with. It was a political conflict. In fact the article also says this about her showing that Christians later respected her.

“During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria.”
More post-facto, special pleading bullshit and "respecting" someone after you've whacked them and erased their history, aint...NEXT!

As for the spread of Christianity throughout the colonies, the natives who had uncivilized primitive cultures were forced to convert to Christianity, but that was done for the greater good of bringing civilization to them. It was mostly not genocidal, because the majority of Latino’s have both Hispanic and native ancestry. Yes many died of small pox, but that is not genocide because genocide is intentionally trying to kill a group while people did not know about the science of small pox back then. And the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs was totally justified because the Aztecs performed human sacrifice.
Then what's your problem with Islam Caphilates invading pagan empires? Special pleading BS, NEXT!

I don’t think that Columbus was personally responsible for the atrocities commited by some Spanish. I hate how cultural marxists are trying to rename Columbus Day, “indigenous people’s day.” Nevertheless, the English colonists, and later the Americans never commited the excesses that those from other European countries commited.
What you believe is irrelevant, what happened on his watch is. NEXT!

As for the Crusades, that was done in retaliation for the Muslim conquests of Christian lands, atrocities, and persecution committed against the Christians. Yeah there were excesses but then there was also the brave valiant hero Richard the Lionheart. The English were never responsible for the worst of the Roman Catholic Church’s atrocities.

And the repression of the heretical sects was for the greater good because it kept unity in the Empire. I admit that the First crusaders went excessive but the later crusaders such as Richard the Lionheart  were heroes fighting to protect the Christians in the Middle East. The English were never responsible for the worst of the crusader’s excesses.
Our war crimes good because reasons, their war crimes justify our war crimes. Horseshit! NEXT!

And your still in denial of Yahweh and Jesus Christ after all the evidence I provided? If you have any logical questions about Yahweh, Jesus, the trinity, and Christianity, I will be glad to provide you answers based on my knowledge. I already addressed the case of Yahweh’s wife, that was promoted during the part of Israel’s history when the Israelites were turning against God and worshipping false gods.
You haven't provided evidence, just the same regurgitated bullshit we're all too familiar with. If you're trying to witness and be a missionary you, by virtue of being a sectarian, homophobic, sexually repressed fuckup is making your product look worse than if you'd said nothing at all! Seriously, you'd be better off just shutting the fuck up if you want people around here to convert to your religion. You repel people!
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 30, 2018, 07:14:08 pm

For the first 300 years Christianity spread peacefully and Christians were often the victims of persecutions. Any violence commited was done in self defense. Again, I was saying that in 67 AD, 37 years after the death of Christ, there were already many Christians in Rome so it spread at an extremely fast rate for a religion that spread peacefully.
Smith and Mo were quicker, NEXT!

The repression of the Manichaean and Gnostic heretics happened after Theodosius I though legal legitimate means became the Roman Empire and declared Nicene Christianity(true Christianity) the official religion of the Roman Empire. Their repression was done for the greater good of the Empire because it helped the Empire maintain unity under one religion. Besides, the Gnostics were a fucked up cult that believed in rejecting the material world.
Special pleading bullshit coming from a fucked up cultist who rejects his perfectly normal sex drive, NEXT.

According to wikipedia, Hypatia was not killed for being smart, she was killed because she was an advisor to Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria and rumors were spreading that she was preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril the Bishop of Alexandria who Orestes was in a feud with. It was a political conflict. In fact the article also says this about her showing that Christians later respected her.

“During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria.”
More post-facto, special pleading bullshit and "respecting" someone after you've whacked them and erased their history, aint...NEXT!

As for the spread of Christianity throughout the colonies, the natives who had uncivilized primitive cultures were forced to convert to Christianity, but that was done for the greater good of bringing civilization to them. It was mostly not genocidal, because the majority of Latino’s have both Hispanic and native ancestry. Yes many died of small pox, but that is not genocide because genocide is intentionally trying to kill a group while people did not know about the science of small pox back then. And the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs was totally justified because the Aztecs performed human sacrifice.
Then what's your problem with Islam Caphilates invading pagan empires? Special pleading BS, NEXT!

I don’t think that Columbus was personally responsible for the atrocities commited by some Spanish. I hate how cultural marxists are trying to rename Columbus Day, “indigenous people’s day.” Nevertheless, the English colonists, and later the Americans never commited the excesses that those from other European countries commited.
What you believe is irrelevant, what happened on his watch is. NEXT!

As for the Crusades, that was done in retaliation for the Muslim conquests of Christian lands, atrocities, and persecution committed against the Christians. Yeah there were excesses but then there was also the brave valiant hero Richard the Lionheart. The English were never responsible for the worst of the Roman Catholic Church’s atrocities.

And the repression of the heretical sects was for the greater good because it kept unity in the Empire. I admit that the First crusaders went excessive but the later crusaders such as Richard the Lionheart  were heroes fighting to protect the Christians in the Middle East. The English were never responsible for the worst of the crusader’s excesses.
Our war crimes good because reasons, their war crimes justify our war crimes. Horseshit! NEXT!

And your still in denial of Yahweh and Jesus Christ after all the evidence I provided? If you have any logical questions about Yahweh, Jesus, the trinity, and Christianity, I will be glad to provide you answers based on my knowledge. I already addressed the case of Yahweh’s wife, that was promoted during the part of Israel’s history when the Israelites were turning against God and worshipping false gods.
You haven't provided evidence, just the same regurgitated bullshit we're all too familiar with. If you're trying to witness and be a missionary you, by virtue of being a sectarian, homophobic, sexually repressed fuckup is making your product look worse than if you'd said nothing at all! Seriously, you'd be better off just shutting the fuck up if you want people around here to convert to your religion. You repel people!

1. I already debunked the claim that Smith was faster and already explained the difference between the spread of Christianity during it’s earliest decades, and the spread of Islam.

2. How can you challenge my claim that it was done for the greater good of the Empire? Having one religion makes the Empire more stable.

3. I explained the real political reason why she was killed. It was not because she was smarter than them.

4. Ugh. I have a problem with the Muslim caliphates conquering the ADVANCED CIVILILIZED pagan Empires and spreading their backwards barbaric religion to the Middle East. The Christians did not conquer advanced civilized pagan Empires, they conquered European barbarian tribes, New World tribes and the barbaric Aztec Empire.

5. There is no evidence that Columbus ordered for the worst of the atrocities to happen. His great legacy is that he discovered the Americas contributing to bringing European civilization to it. His legacy has been defended by the Knights of Columbus

6. I said that I admit that the knights on the First Crusade commited war crimes, but the later Crusaders such as the Kings crusade were more noble and chivalrous. And as I keep saying, the English were never responsible for the crusader’s excesses.

7. I preach conservative true Christian values, to get you to go to the right denomination and to teach you what things are forbidden by God. I am not homophobic. I do not have an irrational fear of homosexuals. I am teaching that God loves homosexuals but does not want them to have homosexual sex.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 30, 2018, 08:53:22 pm
The definition of omnipotent in relation to God is this.

“almighty or infinite in power, as God.”

An infinite amount of all the power of existence, does not mean having an infinite amount of power that cannot exist. As for the answer to your other question, it is because they have supernatural experiences, such as visits from the ghosts of their dead relatives or angels, or the fact that God answers their prayers. I have a Catholic maternal grandmother who has ALS(the same physical disability that Stephen Hawking had), who will probably die in a few years or less, and through the grace of God, she is still able to be happy and joyful even though she is in a nursing home and requires a lot of nurses to take care of her. The other people in the nursing home are a lot more cranky and miserable. Seems like elderly Christians seem happier than elderly non believers.
So, wishful thinking, huh? I suppose we're actually in agreement here.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 30, 2018, 09:05:33 pm
So honky pagan empires who do human sacrifice as a spectator sport are good but Native American ones who do human sacrifice as an act of religious devotion are bad. What was that, cracker?
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 30, 2018, 10:22:46 pm
So honky pagan empires who do human sacrifice as a spectator sport are good but Native American ones who do human sacrifice as an act of religious devotion are bad. What was that, cracker?

Well the Roman Empire was more civilized compared to other barbaric cultures in that they saw religious human sacrifice as barbaric which is why they outlawed Druidism when they conquered Britain. When they used captives and criminals in the gladiator games, they did not see it as human sacrifice. However those games ended when the Roman Empire became Christian. As for the Sassanian Empire, I don’t think that they performed human sacrifice.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 30, 2018, 10:42:45 pm
Cracker violent paganism good, brown violent paganism bad. You adding white supremacy to your laundry list of bigoted bullshit now?

Also gladitatorial games owe their lineage to Etruscan funerary rites. specifically ritual combat which often ended in death.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 31, 2018, 08:51:13 am
Cracker violent paganism good, brown violent paganism bad. You adding white supremacy to your laundry list of bigoted bullshit now?

Also gladitatorial games owe their lineage to Etruscan funerary rites. specifically ritual combat which often ended in death.

That is not what I am saying. I oppose all violent paganism, but the Roman Empire was not as bad as the other pagan cultures such as the Druids. The Celtic Druid human sacrifice was equally as bad as the Aztec human sacrifice. It was a good thing that both violent cultures were conquered.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 31, 2018, 10:08:47 am
Of course they weren't as bad, bit of genocide, rapine oh-and nailing your boy Mr J to a tree but hey, they looked like us and their political institutions sounded kinda similar.

Can't be that bad!
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 31, 2018, 11:18:57 am
Of course they weren't as bad, bit of genocide, rapine oh-and nailing your boy Mr J to a tree but hey, they looked like us and their political institutions sounded kinda similar.

Can't be that bad!

The Roman Empire did not commit genocide. They conquered barbarian tribes and assimilated them into the Empire. And the Romans only nailed Jesus Christ to the cross because Pontius Pilate was forced to do so by an angry mob at the manipulation of the Pharisees. Pontius Pilate washed his hands to show that the blood being shed would not be on his hands.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 31, 2018, 11:30:30 am
Sometimes I cry myself to sleep at night because my penis is so tiny, it's practically an innie.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 31, 2018, 06:07:02 pm
Of course they weren't as bad, bit of genocide, rapine oh-and nailing your boy Mr J to a tree but hey, they looked like us and their political institutions sounded kinda similar.

Can't be that bad!

The Roman Empire did not commit genocide. They conquered barbarian tribes and assimilated them into the Empire. And the Romans only nailed Jesus Christ to the cross because Pontius Pilate was forced to do so by an angry mob at the manipulation of the Pharisees. Pontius Pilate washed his hands to show that the blood being shed would not be on his hands.
In 206 BE the Romans destroyed the Spanish town Ilurga because the Romans wanted to 'erase the memory' of their enemy. They did the same to Carthage in 146 BE. Lets not forget the destruction of Judea following the Bar Kokhba revolt. It's why we have the words "Syria" and "Palestine" today.

You can't see it because you romanticise the Romans and stereotype the Aztecs as monsters. Both were ancient, pagan cultures that were bloodthirsty by modern standards but the reason you romanticise one over the other is because your recognize common cultural threads, not least the justification of wars of subjugation in the name of 'civilisation' that both the Romans and European Christendom used to justify their plunder. Yet apparently, when Muslim conquerors do the same as Romans and Columbus that's bad, 'because reasons' and the only reason really is that the Muslims are an alien culture to you, hence you judge them more harshly.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: davedan on May 31, 2018, 07:27:36 pm
Not to mention the Caesar's invasion of Gaul which killed over a million people and displaced just as many.

In fact the word 'devastation' comes from the Roman practice of 'Vestatio' which was the practice of killing everyone they found in a village and burning everything there.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 31, 2018, 07:36:24 pm
Of course they weren't as bad, bit of genocide, rapine oh-and nailing your boy Mr J to a tree but hey, they looked like us and their political institutions sounded kinda similar.

Can't be that bad!

The Roman Empire did not commit genocide. They conquered barbarian tribes and assimilated them into the Empire. And the Romans only nailed Jesus Christ to the cross because Pontius Pilate was forced to do so by an angry mob at the manipulation of the Pharisees. Pontius Pilate washed his hands to show that the blood being shed would not be on his hands.
In 206 BE the Romans destroyed the Spanish town Ilurga because the Romans wanted to 'erase the memory' of their enemy. They did the same to Carthage in 146 BE. Lets not forget the destruction of Judea following the Bar Kokhba revolt. It's why we have the words "Syria" and "Palestine" today.

You can't see it because you romanticise the Romans and stereotype the Aztecs as monsters. Both were ancient, pagan cultures that were bloodthirsty by modern standards but the reason you romanticise one over the other is because your recognize common cultural threads, not least the justification of wars of subjugation in the name of 'civilisation' that both the Romans and European Christendom used to justify their plunder. Yet apparently, when Muslim conquerors do the same as Romans and Columbus that's bad, 'because reasons' and the only reason really is that the Muslims are an alien culture to you, hence you judge them more harshly.

I looked up on Wikipedia on what happened in 206 BC, and I did not find anything on a town of Illurga. I am aware of what happened in Carthage, the Carthageans did not surrender, the city was set on fire in the middle of the battle. The 50,000 surviving Carthageans were sold into slavery. The Carthageans were far more barbaric than the Romans and practiced the horrible Canaanite religion that practiced child sacrifice. So the Romans were much more civilized by the standards of the time.

As for what happened after the treacherous Bar Kokba revolt, the Romans had the Jews exiled from Judea to prevent future revolts, and the province was resettled.

The difference between the Romans and Christendom vs Islam is that the Romans and Christendom conquered uncivilized people’s and brought civilization to them, while the Muslims conquered civilized Pagan and Christian Empires and spread their vile barbaric religion to them.





Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 31, 2018, 07:42:54 pm
Not to mention the Caesar's invasion of Gaul which killed over a million people and displaced just as many.

In fact the word 'devastation' comes from the Roman practice of 'Vestatio' which was the practice of killing everyone they found in a village and burning everything there.

In the long run, Caesar’s invasion of Gaul brought advanced Roman civilization to Gaul. It was not genocidal, it was wartime casualties. Burning villages is also an act of warfare and wartime casualties, because it is a strategy on defeating enemy forces. It is just like carpet bombing and drone strikes.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 31, 2018, 08:46:33 pm
Yet you get all judgy at Islam for using the exact same "wartime practices" to expand the Caphilate after Mohammad's death. So pagans you like can get their conquest on but not rival monitheists that you don't like, huh.

And the Caphilate broughr advances in metallurgy, agriculture, astronomy and mathematics as well as expanding the regions trade reach from the Norse lands to China. Pretty good case for a civilising influence on their part.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 31, 2018, 09:07:32 pm
Yet you get all judgy at Islam for using the exact same "wartime practices" to expand the Caphilate after Mohammad's death. So pagans you like can get their conquest on but not rival monitheists that you don't like, huh.

And the Caphilate broughr advances in metallurgy, agriculture, astronomy and mathematics as well as expanding the regions trade reach from the Norse lands to China. Pretty good case for a civilising influence on their part.

The caliphate did not bring advances in those things, they just got them from the cultures that they conquered. And while they brought expansions in trade, they also brought their barbaric mysogynist culture with them.

And the crusaders brought the advancements in the Middle East back to Europe sparking the Renaissance.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 31, 2018, 09:11:40 pm
You mean like how the Europeans did when they took advantage of knowledge coming in after the Crusades to have the Renaissance? After the pillaging and looting was done.

You should have "it's not bad when our side does it" tattooed on your forehead!
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on May 31, 2018, 09:50:47 pm
You mean like how the Europeans did when they took advantage of knowledge coming in after the Crusades to have the Renaissance? After the pillaging and looting was done.

You should have "it's not bad when our side does it" tattooed on your forehead!

As I keep saying, the crusades were done to reclaim stolen land from the Muslim Caliphate and to liberate the persecuted Christians in the Middle East. And while the First Crusaders went excessive, the later crusaders such as Richard the Lionheart were much more chivalrous. So it was not bad when the righteous side of the war did it.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 31, 2018, 11:49:11 pm
It's not "reclaiming" becauase France, Spain, Germany, England and Italy didn't own it to begin with.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Askold on June 01, 2018, 12:54:34 am
Reminder that the Romans didn't invent much, they just took ideas from other cultures they met and incorporated them into their own culture and nation.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 01, 2018, 09:08:26 am
Reminder that the Romans didn't invent much, they just took ideas from other cultures they met and incorporated them into their own culture and nation.

They invented aqueducts and built a network of stone roads that helped boost transportation. And yes they took ideas from other cultures, such as the science and philosophy from Ancient Greece. They were very beneficial to Western Civilization.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 01, 2018, 09:34:40 am
Which is exactly what the medieval arabs did, and they invented algebra. Note it's an arabic word.

Civilisations build on the advancements of previous civilisations because, why not? Shits useful, it gets used.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 01, 2018, 10:09:15 am
Which is exactly what the medieval arabs did, and they invented algebra. Note it's an arabic word.

Civilisations build on the advancements of previous civilisations because, why not? Shits useful, it gets used.

I give them credit where credit is due, but the Muslim caliphates were more barbaric than the Roman Empire which was enlightened by the standards of the time.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 01, 2018, 08:54:16 pm
How were they "more barbaric," be specific? Are you referring to science, jurisprudence, standard of living, what?
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 01, 2018, 09:15:02 pm
How were they "more barbaric," be specific? Are you referring to science, jurisprudence, standard of living, what?

Their horrible Sharia Law which includes their horrible treatment of women and religious minorities forcing women to cover their hair, putting women who broke those rules to death, stoning of gays, and forcing Christians and other religious groups to pay the burdensome Jizza tax that Muslims did not have to pay.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 01, 2018, 09:22:27 pm
You thin Lex Talinos couldn't be horrible? You weren't paying attention. How do you think it was for female slaves? The antebellum South in your country should offer a clue, as could modern day sex traffickers.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 01, 2018, 09:32:02 pm
You thin Lex Talinos couldn't be horrible? You weren't paying attention. How do you think it was for female slaves? The antebellum South in your country should offer a clue, as could modern day sex traffickers.

Lex Talinos was punishment in proportion to the crime committed. And slavery in the Roman Empire was different from slavery in the South as it was how society functioned back them. And the sex with female slaves in the Roman Empire was mostly consensual.
Title: Re: Why Christianity is the one true religion
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 01, 2018, 09:40:29 pm
You thin Lex Talinos couldn't be horrible? You weren't paying attention. How do you think it was for female slaves? The antebellum South in your country should offer a clue, as could modern day sex traffickers.

Lex Talinos was punishment in proportion to the crime committed. And slavery in the Roman Empire was different from slavery in the South as it was how society functioned back them. And the sex with female slaves in the Roman Empire was mostly consensual.
So, Mr J getting scourged, crucified and stabbed in the gut was proportional? Hey, I find the bastard annoying but I call that excessive.

But lets remember, these were the good pagans.

As for slavery, most prostitutes in the Roman Empire were slaves, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_ancient_Rome) so yeah-in the old south they weren't as open about raping their property!