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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: Dakota Bob on April 17, 2013, 07:23:34 pm
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Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/us/pope-upholds-reprimand-of-nuns-group.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=1&)
Good job, Guys. Keep fucking that chicken.
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The Vatican last year said in its doctrinal assessment that the nuns’ group was tinged with feminist influences, focused too much on ending social and economic injustice and not enough on stopping abortion, and permitted speakers at its meetings who questioned church doctrine.
Uh, I thought ending social and economic injustice and not being quite as dogmatic as his predecessors was what the current Pope was all about.
Thanks for disillusioning me.
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The Vatican last year said in its doctrinal assessment that the nuns’ group was tinged with feminist influences, focused too much on ending social and economic injustice and not enough on stopping abortion, and permitted speakers at its meetings who questioned church doctrine.
Uh, I thought ending social and economic injustice and not being quite as dogmatic as his predecessors was what the current Pope was all about.
Thanks for disillusioning me.
What the hell, Pope Francis! Social Justice is your forte! The activism in Argentina...the humility & simple living...foot-washing those delinquent ladies....what was that all about?! I thought you were going to be saner! Those nun's are doing what you've been doing! The hell!
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What the hell, Pope Francis! Social Justice is your forte! The activism in Argentina...the humility & simple living...foot-washing those delinquent ladies....what was that all about?! I thought you were going to be saner! Those nun's are doing what you've been doing! The hell!
They're women. If they're not trying to end abortion, they're not good Catholics.
(I speak as a former Catholic...)
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For those who still believe in Catholicism but are sane & Progressive, I'd say it's high time that they ditch the RC and start their own Catholic Church!
I'd say that trend is starting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/american-national-catholic-church-progressive-catholicism_n_1968413.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/american-national-catholic-church-progressive-catholicism_n_1968413.html)
Also, there's a number of other Catholic offshoots out there that are of varying levels of Liberalism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Catholic_Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Catholic_Church)
Then, of course, there The Episcopalian Church.
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The Vatican last year said in its doctrinal assessment that the nuns’ group was tinged with feminist influences, focused too much on ending social and economic injustice and not enough on stopping abortion, and permitted speakers at its meetings who questioned church doctrine.
Uh, I thought ending social and economic injustice and not being quite as dogmatic as his predecessors was what the current Pope was all about.
Thanks for disillusioning me.
What the hell, Pope Francis! Social Justice is your forte! The activism in Argentina...the humility & simple living...foot-washing those delinquent ladies....what was that all about?! I thought you were going to be saner! Those nun's are doing what you've been doing! The hell!
Bergoglio was very clever with all his empty symbolic gestures, wasn't he? Didn't actually have to do anything meaningful, and still everyone assumed he was Superpope, defender of the downtrodden and revitalizer of the Church.
Sure, he did some good work back when he was archbishop. Do keep in mind, though, that after 15 years in charge he left the Church in Argentina in basically the same way he found it. There's no evidence that he'll be substantially different from previous Popes on the issues that actually matter.
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Then, of course, there The Episcopalian Church.
AKA Catholicism Lite. All the pageantry, none of the guilt.
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Huh...seems some of us were kinda right about the new pope.
Ironbite-meet the new boss same as the old boss.
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Then, of course, there The Episcopalian Church.
AKA Catholicism Lite. All the pageantry, none of the guilt.
Yup! :)
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Heck, if I understand correctly, Episcopalians also have monks and nuns. Celibacy optional.
I know the priests aren't required to be celibate.
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Why am I not surprised?
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Heck, if I understand correctly, Episcopalians also have monks and nuns. Celibacy optional.
I know the priests aren't required to be celibate.
Yup! If anyone's a devout Catholic with Progressive values, they should give the Episcopalians a shot! They have all the Catholic stuff, Priest, Bishops, Deacons, Religious Orders, The Mass, Holy Days, The Sacraments, etc. All the rich beauty, ritual & devotion of Catholicism without the heavy authoritarian, sex-phobic, woman-loathing, fundie, pedophile crap.
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Damn. I stood up for the guy and then he does this? *sigh*
Still, this behavior doesn't make the positive things he's done any less valid. Also, I wonder how much the pope is just a mouthpiece here...
The news came after a meeting in the Vatican on Monday between the heads of the nuns’ group, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious; Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, the head of the Vatican’s doctrinal office, which ordered the crackdown one year ago; and Archbishop J. Peter Sartain of Seattle, who was appointed last year to oversee the five-year process.
I mean I guess he has the final say, but how much control does the man really have when pressured by the fucksticks in the bolded lines?
Also, the pope's not saying nuns should abandon social justice and stuff. He's just saying that he thinks they're losing sight of the abortion issue and the church's official view in the process.
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Then, of course, there The Episcopalian Church.
AKA Catholicism Lite. All the pageantry, none of the guilt.
Solunds a bit like the Church of England. Only the C of E is more "All the pageantry, 90% less guilt".
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Heck, if I understand correctly, Episcopalians also have monks and nuns. Celibacy optional.
I know the priests aren't required to be celibate.
Yup! If anyone's a devout Catholic with Progressive values, they should give the Episcopalians a shot! They have all the Catholic stuff, Priest, Bishops, Deacons, Religious Orders, The Mass, Holy Days, The Sacraments, etc. All the rich beauty, ritual & devotion of Catholicism without the heavy authoritarian, sex-phobic, woman-loathing, fundie, pedophile crap.
Yeah, a friend of mine converted to Episcopalianism after being disgusted with the Church's activities. We even go to the same church.
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Then, of course, there The Episcopalian Church.
AKA Catholicism Lite. All the pageantry, none of the guilt.
Solunds a bit like the Church of England. Only the C of E is more "All the pageantry, 90% less guilt".
It is, pretty much. If I'm not mistaken. Episcopalian is what the Anglican church became when it crossed over the pond.
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Yep. The Episcopal Church is the US version of the Church of England.
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http://www.somareview.com/openlettertorowan.cfm (http://www.somareview.com/openlettertorowan.cfm)
Bishop John Shelby Spong pretty much typifies the more progressive end of the Episcopalian spectrum. He is a prolific author and you will be amazed at the intellect, progressive activism and courage he shows both in his books and in his life (he's elderly now, but active as ever).
In the link above, you will see him politely skewering the Archbishop of Canterbury - to whom the American Church nods respect, but not to the current Archbishop's attitude on things. There is quite a groundswell of radical conservatism in many parts of the Anglican Church around the world. Yet another creeping take-over by pod preachers, basically. I actually hope that Pope Francis' action inspires many more Catholics to join the Episcopalians and Anglicans - it's a nice church with a history of community involvement and progressive Christianity, so they need all the gentle practicing Christians they can get to counter this conservative take-over trend.
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http://www.somareview.com/openlettertorowan.cfm (http://www.somareview.com/openlettertorowan.cfm)
Bishop John Shelby Spong pretty much typifies the more progressive end of the Episcopalian spectrum. He is a prolific author and you will be amazed at the intellect, progressive activism and courage he shows both in his books and in his life (he's elderly now, but active as ever).
In the link above, you will see him politely skewering the Archbishop of Canterbury - to whom the American Church nods respect, but not to the current Archbishop's attitude on things. There is quite a groundswell of radical conservatism in many parts of the Anglican Church around the world. Yet another creeping take-over by pod preachers, basically. I actually hope that Pope Francis' action inspires many more Catholics to join the Episcopalians and Anglicans - it's a nice church with a history of community involvement and progressive Christianity, so they need all the gentle practicing Christians they can get to counter this conservative take-over trend.
I agree. Genuine Christians need to be ever-diligent in the face of the infiltration of their churches by Zealot Pseudo-Christians....the REAL Antichrist, IMHO. Jesus-Christians need to be more centralized & united in the face of the Zealot Paul-Christians. We, even those who are non-Christian, non-religious & even atheists, need to count the sane, progressive Christians as allies in the fight against the TEAliban! Please don't be divisive & dismissive about Liberal Christians. Even if you feel they are deluded "cafeteria" types or whatever, their hearts are still in the right place. Besides, all religious folk cherry-pick their scriptures to a certain degree. As long as one cherry-picks the good, life-affirming, soul-nourishing, beneficial stuff, they're fine.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21134540/vp=51582368� (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21134540/vp=51582368�)
And here's just one of a gazillion reasons for Catholics to look for a better church....
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The relationship between the Episcopal Church and the Anglican church is a bit more complicated than the "American version of the Anglican church."
See, the Anglican church initially refused to basically ordain any priests over here. There was, however, the Scottish church, which was called the Episcopal Church, was perfectly willing to ordain priests for us.
So while it's all part of the same communion, the American church is technically religiously descended from the Scottish church instead of the Anglican church.
Also, one of the nice things about being an Episcopalian is that you're expected to be respectful, but not obedient towards your religious authorities, especially the ABC.
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I swear, this conflict between the progressive-leaning nuns and the Roman Catholic Church is going to lead to another schism.
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I swear, this conflict between the progressive-leaning nuns and the Roman Catholic Church is going to lead to another schism.
Might be what the church needs, actually.
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I swear, this conflict between the progressive-leaning nuns and the Roman Catholic Church is going to lead to another schism.
Might be what the church needs, actually.
Yeah, I hate to be the one to call for war and stuff, but it would be really fun if the Roman Catholic Church was destroyed by the Nun Armies.
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I swear, this conflict between the progressive-leaning nuns and the Roman Catholic Church is going to lead to another schism.
Might be what the church needs, actually.
Yeah, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. After all, the Protestant Reformation resulted in the Counter-Reformation.
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It used to be said that the only distinction between Episcopalians and Catholics was the fact that Episcopalians were poor at Latin.
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I swear, this conflict between the progressive-leaning nuns and the Roman Catholic Church is going to lead to another schism.
Might be what the church needs, actually.
Yeah, I hate to be the one to call for war and stuff, but it would be really fun if the Roman Catholic Church was destroyed by the Nun Armies.
I suppose the Hitman: Absolution trailer wasn't that far off the money after all.