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Offline Jacob Harrison

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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #75 on: November 23, 2018, 09:29:44 pm »
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How many "multiple levels" of government and bureaucracy are required, and what are each of these multiple levels composed of and what do they actually do?

Once again, learn to fucking read. It's not hard.

I answered that question and said that any multiple levels of government makes it a nation.
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1. Any system that has any multiple levels of government counts as a nation. Multiple levels indicates there being local governments under a central government.
It is you that needs to learn to fucking read.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #76 on: November 23, 2018, 09:34:02 pm »
Once again, vague bullshit. "local governments" does not answer the question. How many of these levels are required, and what does each level need in terms of power, composition and duties. Not that I expect you to actually answer the question at this point.

What the fuck am I even doing? I said I was done two posts ago.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #77 on: November 23, 2018, 09:50:19 pm »
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 23, 2018, 09:34:02 pm
Once again, vague bullshit. "local governments" does not answer the question. How many of these levels are required, and what does each level need in terms of power, composition and duties. Not that I expect you to actually answer the question at this point.

What the fuck am I even doing? I said I was done two posts ago.

At least two levels and the higher level needs to have supreme authority over the local levels. By the way this is my 1485th post and 1485 was the year of the Battle of Bosworth Field when Richard III England’s last true King was killed in battle and the throne was usurped by the illegitimate false king Henry VII.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #78 on: November 23, 2018, 09:50:54 pm »
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2. You have it wrong. The kings in the medieval times did have absolute power. There was a concept that they had divine right to rule. Kings had the power to disinherit rebellious vassals, order taxation, and make laws for the entire kingdom. King Henry II established Common Law in England.

I have to point this out specifically because of how laughably wrong it actually is. Kings in the *medieval times* had absolute power?

Just that one statement proves that you know fuck-all about European history and should really just stop now, because absolute monarchy is a *Renaissance* concept that very definitely did not exist in Europe in the fucking 1200s.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #79 on: November 23, 2018, 09:55:28 pm »
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2. You have it wrong. The kings in the medieval times did have absolute power. There was a concept that they had divine right to rule. Kings had the power to disinherit rebellious vassals, order taxation, and make laws for the entire kingdom. King Henry II established Common Law in England.

I have to point this out specifically because of how laughably wrong it actually is. Kings in the *medieval times* had absolute power?

Just that one statement proves that you know fuck-all about European history and should really just stop now, because absolute monarchy is a *Renaissance* concept that very definitely did not exist in Europe in the fucking 1200s.

Ok it wasn’t absolute but the kings had a considerable amount of power, enough that the kingdoms count as united civilized nations.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #80 on: November 23, 2018, 09:59:31 pm »
Sure, if murdering your neighbors over a miniscule territory dispute or a couple of cows counts as "civilized", why the heck not.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #81 on: November 23, 2018, 11:58:16 pm »
If "Multiple levels of government" is all that is needed then the conquest of North America was illegitimate according to Jacob's everchanging goalposts. Actually, we are back to Cnut the Great's line being the true rulers of England as well according to his latest rules.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #82 on: November 24, 2018, 12:55:24 am »
If a nation needs multiple levels of government, can we seize the Vatican?
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #83 on: November 24, 2018, 01:34:38 am »
When I was a kid one of my favorite books was HG Wells's The War of the Worlds, the harrowing story of how the British Empire suddenly was attacked by Martians, a far more advanced society that came to conquer them and reduce them to slaves and livestock and kill anyone who fought back or got in the way.

DIRECT QUESTION Jacob:

Do you root for the Martians in this book?  If it were to really happen, the cylinders fall from the sky, the great Fighting Machines are burning the English alive and choking them with the black smoke, would you take the Martians side and be willingly consumed as a snack for your new overlords?  After all they are the far more advanced society, with the British lacking Interplanetary space travel, giant fighting machines, heat rays or an advanced system of government that units the whole planet so they aren't advanced enough for conquest to be wrong.



Who's side are you on here?
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #84 on: November 24, 2018, 07:53:41 am »
Quote from: Askold on November 23, 2018, 11:58:16 pm
If "Multiple levels of government" is all that is needed then the conquest of North America was illegitimate according to Jacob's everchanging goalposts. Actually, we are back to Cnut the Great's line being the true rulers of England as well according to his latest rules.

The tribes usually had one chief as the level of government. And England already had multiple levels of government before Cnut conquered it because it had nobles that had earldoms over the different parts of England.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #85 on: November 24, 2018, 07:55:52 am »
Quote from: dpareja on November 24, 2018, 12:55:24 am
If a nation needs multiple levels of government, can we seize the Vatican?

No because the Catholic Church as a whole has multiple levels of government.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #86 on: November 24, 2018, 08:04:08 am »
Quote from: Skybison on November 24, 2018, 01:34:38 am
When I was a kid one of my favorite books was HG Wells's The War of the Worlds, the harrowing story of how the British Empire suddenly was attacked by Martians, a far more advanced society that came to conquer them and reduce them to slaves and livestock and kill anyone who fought back or got in the way.

DIRECT QUESTION Jacob:

Do you root for the Martians in this book?  If it were to really happen, the cylinders fall from the sky, the great Fighting Machines are burning the English alive and choking them with the black smoke, would you take the Martians side and be willingly consumed as a snack for your new overlords?  After all they are the far more advanced society, with the British lacking Interplanetary space travel, giant fighting machines, heat rays or an advanced system of government that units the whole planet so they aren't advanced enough for conquest to be wrong.



Who's side are you on here?

I am on the side of the British Because first of all, it is wrong to eat sentient beings that you conquered and second, the British met the adaquate degree of advancement because being a nation with multiple levels of government, a bureaucracy, a system of writing, knowledge of iron and steel, computers, and millitary technology that makes it advanced enough that it is wrong to conquer them, unless it is for the purpose of restoring the true heir to the throne of England.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #87 on: November 24, 2018, 08:08:45 am »
What if the aliens restored the True Heir (of the week), but ate 5% of the population in exchange? Would that be okay?
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #88 on: November 24, 2018, 08:11:07 am »
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 24, 2018, 08:08:45 am
What if the aliens restored the True Heir (of the week), but ate 5% of the population in exchange? Would that be okay?

It would be bad that they ate 5% of the population but good that they restored the true heir.
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Re: You go on a vacation...
« Reply #89 on: November 24, 2018, 08:12:41 am »
Quote from: Jacob Harrison on November 24, 2018, 08:11:07 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 24, 2018, 08:08:45 am
What if the aliens restored the True Heir (of the week), but ate 5% of the population in exchange? Would that be okay?

It would be bad that they ate 5% of the population but good that they restored the true heir.

But would it be worth it? That is the question.
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