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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #120 on: March 21, 2020, 03:14:19 pm »
He never had that authority to be denied in the first place.

Ironbite-please don't attribute power to the office that it doesn't have ok?

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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #121 on: March 21, 2020, 04:07:19 pm »
He never had that authority to be denied in the first place.

Ironbite-please don't attribute power to the office that it doesn't have ok?

I'm not. Of course he doesn't have that authority.

But the "unitary executive" theory, especially as advanced by the Bush administration (and continued to an extent by the Obama administration, and held to by at least some members of the Trump administration) holds that if the President asserts that he does have that authority, and Congress can't muster a two-thirds majority to override a veto of a bill saying he doesn't, then he does.
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #122 on: March 21, 2020, 05:53:31 pm »
There are good reasons the executive branch's powers to act unilaterally were reduced after Nixon. Unfortunately, it seems like too many of us have failed to learn from history.
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #123 on: March 21, 2020, 06:04:24 pm »
There are good reasons the executive branch's powers to act unilaterally were reduced after Nixon. Unfortunately, it seems like too many of us have failed to learn from history.

Except not really, probably the hallmark legislation on that front, the War Powers Act, still allows the President to veto any resolution passed under it (as it must, as a Constitutional matter). Same with Congressional review of executive orders (the Supreme Court actually struck down the one-house veto provision as unconstitutional). So that still gives the executive branch broad power to act unless Congress musters two-thirds in both the House and the Senate to override a veto.

This is why, for instance, the US is still complicit in the genocide in Yemen.
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #124 on: March 23, 2020, 12:45:36 am »
If Joe does lose, I feel like it will be another Hillary situation. It'll have a variety of different factors but some bitter people with a myopic worldview will exclusively blame the left generally, and "Bernie Bros" in particular, instead of looking big picture.

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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #125 on: March 23, 2020, 09:25:36 am »
If Joe does lose, I feel like it will be another Hillary situation. It'll have a variety of different factors but some bitter people with a myopic worldview will exclusively blame the left generally, and "Bernie Bros" in particular, instead of looking big picture.

It's not just a myopic world view. For those involved in the losing campaign it could be a cynical way to dodge responsibility for their mistakes and minimize the damage to their power and influence.

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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #126 on: March 23, 2020, 10:49:49 am »
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/488780-sanders-raises-over-2-million-for-coronavirus-relief-effort

Meanwhile, with his campaign effectively dead, Sen. Sanders has turned to his donor list and raised around $2,000,000 from 50,000 donors for coronavirus relief efforts.
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #127 on: March 23, 2020, 04:54:42 pm »
I'll admit, I'm curious to see who the dirtbag left will turn to next for their Great Progressive Messiah.

So are all of you saying the people who turned out to support Biden were mistaken in their support?
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #128 on: March 23, 2020, 07:21:52 pm »
The problem is that the remaining Democrats with views around the same are as Sanders are people like Warren (a woman who they see as just as right wing as the Republicans because she wont worship Sanders), Booker (who isn't nationally popular and is black) and Waters (who is a black woman).

Sanders is the perfect storm to attract support from the dirtbag left. He openly endorses "socialism," and he's the right kind of minority for them to consider him white while having ammo to shoot at people who call him white.
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #129 on: March 23, 2020, 09:43:11 pm »
Remember, AOC will be just barely old enough to be President come January 2025.

EDIT: Also Warren's lack of endorsement for Sanders (twice!) has made her anathema among certain segments of the left (the honest ones will still give her full credit for the CFPB, even if they're disillusioned with her now), Booker's killing a drug reimportation bill made him dead before he started (note: don't reimport drugs from us, we have cheaper drugs because we negotiate lower prices in exchange for lower supply, pass your own drug price negotiation bill), and as for the boxes Waters checks, Nina Turner checks those boxes and has been vocally pro-Sanders almost from the time he announced in 2016, unlike Waters.
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #130 on: March 23, 2020, 11:09:27 pm »
I would expect AOC to get the "I'd vote for a woman, but not that woman" treatment that Clinton and Warren got. The dirtbag left is more sexist than they want you to think they are. My point is that they're going to find excuses to not support people that should right what they say they want to obscure that they're just racist or sexist.
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #131 on: March 23, 2020, 11:21:01 pm »
I would expect AOC to get the "I'd vote for a woman, but not that woman" treatment that Clinton and Warren got. The dirtbag left is more sexist than they want you to think they are. My point is that they're going to find excuses to not support people that should right what they say they want to obscure that they're just racist or sexist.

Oh, I fully expect a segment of the left to toss AOC in the trash, if for no other reason/excuse than that she admitted on camera that she was willing to compromise to a public option on healthcare.

Whether this is the actual reason or just the excuse is another matter entirely.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #132 on: March 23, 2020, 11:36:24 pm »
The dirtbag left is really just the "alt-left", our own version of the alt-right, and unlike Republicans, we need to toss them out and tell them they are not welcome.

The Republicans frolic with the alt-right and enjoy their continued support and even candidates in their party who are members of the alt-right.

I do not want to see a world where we have Chapo meme tweeting left wing prospective congressmen.
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #133 on: March 24, 2020, 12:06:35 am »
The dirty secret of the Tea Party is that it worked, gave the Republicans Congress and the courts, and pushed the Overton window far to the right.
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Re: Democratic Primaries Thread
« Reply #134 on: March 24, 2020, 12:07:11 am »
Remember, AOC will be just barely old enough to be President come January 2025.

AOC revealed that she became disillusioned with the Bernie campaign because of Joe Rogan and Bernie's refusal to try and reach out to the rest of the Dem party, and so she started to lower the number of appearances she made for promoting him.  The dirtbag left has thus turned on her, blaming her for the failure of the Sanders campaign over the last few weeks, because they're sexist pricks.