do fundies ever realise when their arguements are flawed and broken?

[Old Viking]

A great many fundies react to  fact-based arguments with suspicion if not downright hostility.  You can't reason with them because they are incapable of responding in that manner. 

[future colours]

also another thing is that they ask a weird question all the time- that if u can be wrong about everything you know you cant know anything ! how the hell do you make that kinda jump!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JCbDMiF98yw

[Cerim Treascair]

also another thing is that they ask a weird question all the time- that if u can be wrong about everything you know you cant know anything ! how the hell do you make that kinda jump!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JCbDMiF98yw

That's what's known as a 'God of the gaps' argument.  "You don't know X, ergo, God."

That's pretty much the extent of the argument.

[future colours]

wow you serious??

[Cerim Treascair]

Completely, I'm afraid.  One of my tabletop gaming buddies pulled that on me with "you can't explain black holes, ergo, God."

I refused to have anything to do with him for the next eight months, and only after he apologized.

[future colours]

also another thing is that they ask a weird question all the time- that if u can be wrong about everything you know you cant know anything ! how the hell do you make that kinda jump!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JCbDMiF98yw

That's what's known as a 'God of the gaps' argument.  "You don't know X, ergo, God."

That's pretty much the extent of the argument.

so then is it me or its just Calvinists whom like to use this arguement? as well is the transcendental arguement the ONLY ones that presupptionalists use?

[Witchyjoshy]

Considering that Calvinists literally believe that everything from the beginning of time to the end is set in stone by God, it's not surprising that they divorce the logical portion of their brain.

[ironbite]

More like the logical part of their brain is forcefully removed.

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

Not removed, just hiding under a fuckton of self imposed ignorance which prevent it from doing its job.

[future colours]

also another thing is that they ask a weird question all the time- that if u can be wrong about everything you know you cant know anything ! how the hell do you make that kinda jump!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JCbDMiF98yw

That's what's known as a 'God of the gaps' argument.  "You don't know X, ergo, God."

That's pretty much the extent of the argument.

but what is the best rebuttal for this kind of arguement?

[Cerim Treascair]

also another thing is that they ask a weird question all the time- that if u can be wrong about everything you know you cant know anything ! how the hell do you make that kinda jump!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JCbDMiF98yw

That's what's known as a 'God of the gaps' argument.  "You don't know X, ergo, God."

That's pretty much the extent of the argument.

but what is the best rebuttal for this kind of arguement?

Frankly, if the fundies are pulling out the 'God of the gaps' argument, their mind's made up.  It's their variant of an 'I win' button.  Can't explain one thing in science, you can't explain anything else, therefore you can't understand god, therefore you're wrong.  It's best just to go find something else to do at that juncture.

[Patches]

also another thing is that they ask a weird question all the time- that if u can be wrong about everything you know you cant know anything ! how the hell do you make that kinda jump!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JCbDMiF98yw

That's what's known as a 'God of the gaps' argument.  "You don't know X, ergo, God."

That's pretty much the extent of the argument.

but what is the best rebuttal for this kind of arguement?

Frankly, if the fundies are pulling out the 'God of the gaps' argument, their mind's made up.  It's their variant of an 'I win' button.  Can't explain one thing in science, you can't explain anything else, therefore you can't understand god, therefore you're wrong.  It's best just to go find something else to do at that juncture.

The "God of the Gaps" argument is basically someone saying that they're not comfortable admitting "I don't know", so are making up a placeholder explanation that they personally like, and because they personally like it, they refuse to let it go even when the answer has been discovered for real.  It's ironic, though, because these are the same people who often tout that "You can't know everything", but at the same time implicitly claim to know everything by confidently asserting they have an answer (God) to any question posed of them.  More formally, it's called "Argument from Ignorance".

[JohnE]

[future colours]

also another thing is that they ask a weird question all the time- that if u can be wrong about everything you know you cant know anything ! how the hell do you make that kinda jump!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JCbDMiF98yw

That's what's known as a 'God of the gaps' argument.  "You don't know X, ergo, God."

That's pretty much the extent of the argument.

but what is the best rebuttal for this kind of arguement?

Frankly, if the fundies are pulling out the 'God of the gaps' argument, their mind's made up.  It's their variant of an 'I win' button.  Can't explain one thing in science, you can't explain anything else, therefore you can't understand god, therefore you're wrong.  It's best just to go find something else to do at that juncture.

well i guess sye ten bruggengate is even dumber than i thought he was