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Proof of Purgatory
Tolpuddle Martyr:
--- Quote from: Jacob Harrison on November 22, 2018, 09:08:30 am ---
--- Quote from: Skybison on November 22, 2018, 01:33:07 am ---If purgatory is real, why isn't it mentioned in the bible?
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It is mentioned in the Bible.
--- Quote ---[41] Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden. [42] And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain. [43] And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection, [44] (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) [45] And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
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2 Maccabees 12:41-46 Douay-Rheim’s version
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Well that was vague as shite, but then this is coming from a bloke who looks at smudges and squeals "troof", before oinking furiously.
Jacob Harrison:
--- Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 22, 2018, 03:51:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: Jacob Harrison on November 22, 2018, 09:08:30 am ---
--- Quote from: Skybison on November 22, 2018, 01:33:07 am ---If purgatory is real, why isn't it mentioned in the bible?
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It is mentioned in the Bible.
--- Quote ---[41] Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden. [42] And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain. [43] And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection, [44] (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) [45] And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
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2 Maccabees 12:41-46 Douay-Rheim’s version
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Well that was vague as shite, but then this is coming from a bloke who looks at smudges and squeals "troof", before oinking furiously.
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It is not vague, it proves that there are types of sinners who are only temporarily punished for sins and can still go to heaven with the help of prayers for them.
Tolpuddle Martyr:
It's not proof of purgatory and neither are your smudges, another reading of the (vague) passage is that it's downright weird to hear orthodox Jews praying for resurrection making the whole mess a probable Christian invention.
You wouldn't know proof if it landed on your pointy head!
Jacob Harrison:
--- Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 24, 2018, 03:50:32 pm ---It's not proof of purgatory and neither are your smudges, another reading of the (vague) passage is that it's downright weird to hear orthodox Jews praying for resurrection making the whole mess a probable Christian invention.
You wouldn't know proof if it landed on your pointy head!
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How is praying for the dead so that they can be loosed from sins not proof of purgatory. It proves that there are types of sinners who can be loosed from their sins after death, proving that those types of sinners are in a state that is neither heaven nor hell. And doing a simple google search, you will see that Jews believe in a coming resurrection of the dead similar to the Christian belief in a resurrection and judgement day.
Tolpuddle Martyr:
--- Quote from: Jacob Harrison on November 24, 2018, 04:01:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 24, 2018, 03:50:32 pm ---It's not proof of purgatory and neither are your smudges, another reading of the (vague) passage is that it's downright weird to hear orthodox Jews praying for resurrection making the whole mess a probable Christian invention.
You wouldn't know proof if it landed on your pointy head!
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It proves that there are types of sinners who can be loosed from their sins after death, proving that those types of sinners are in a state that is neither heaven nor hell.
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Heaven & hell-not part of Judaism, they're part of a Christian worldview.
And a vague reference to people who can be "loosed from sin" after death is not evidence of a postmortem waiting room. It's an RCC interpretation of a vague verse.
You don't know what "proof" means, but then you have very loose understanding of what most words mean.
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